• Subtitles are back...

    From SimonM@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 30 10:09:41 2021
    ... on the Channel Four 'family' of Freeview
    channels, but you can detect the frenetic paddling
    as the swan smoothly glides across the surface.

    We watched a Film 4 movie a couple of nights ago.
    If I didn't kow better (yeah, right!) I'd guess
    the subtitling was being done real-time by a human
    typing as rapidly as possible.

    Had we still been in the good old days of GVG200s,
    etc, I'd suggest they were being DSK'ed over the
    entire network output.

    Their disappearance wasn't synced to advertisement
    breaks, in fact they persisted right through one
    break, creating some unintended comedy, as the
    last line of the earlier dialogue fitted amazingly
    well with some of the more vacuuous adverts.

    Whatever they were using (an Aston with an A2D on
    the output?), they had serious difficulty when the
    words ran to two lines - the top line persisted
    through several shot changes. You could just about
    work it out as long as you read the bottom line
    and ignored the upper one.

    You have to feel for the staff in these
    circumstances. They obviously lost a huge amount
    of metadata during the 'event', and things are far
    from back to normal.

    The surprise for me, regarding the subtitles, is
    that the subtitle data doesn't seem to be provided
    to broadcasters as standard, along with picture
    and soundtracks.

    I've seen a lot of films broadcast on
    lower-bandwidth channels, where they "apologise"
    for no subtitles, even though the film in question
    has been shown elsewhere with them. So they
    evidently exist, there seems no obligation for the
    broadcasters to bother. And subtitle data, even
    for a feature film, must be a tiny amount of
    storage, compared to any of the other streams.

    Meanwhile at C4, things must be "interesting"
    still...

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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to SimonM on Sat Oct 30 10:23:39 2021
    SimonM <somewhere@large.in.the.world> wrote:
    Meanwhile at C4, things must be "interesting"
    still...

    I've noticed C4 News cutting to an ad break without warning while a reporter
    is in the middle of a live piece to camera. They do one ad and then come straight back to the reporter who looks a bit miffed that they've
    interrupted him in mid sentence.

    I wonder if ad playout is still suffering troubles along with everything
    else?

    Theo

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to SimonM on Sat Oct 30 12:36:11 2021
    SimonM wrote:

    you can detect the frenetic paddling as the swan smoothly glides across the surface.

    Usually you'd expect # to be used for sung lyrics, but I notice they have £ instead, like a 1980's dot matrix printer with the wrong character set selected.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to SimonM on Sun Oct 31 08:33:52 2021
    Same problem exists on Audio description. Indeed the same content sometimes
    can be seen with different narrators and different descriptions, as if the copyright to the AD was not theirs, and it had to be redone. Also of course
    at the moment there is still no ad on ch 4 channels, or signing I'm told.
    They should get these issues over what by now should be mainstream
    provisions for their audiences fixed and made robust and standard and the content providers need to be supplying these services as part of the package
    as standard and also in a form that catch up and on demand online systems
    can use as standard.
    The word should be, design for access from the start and then you won't
    have the problems later on, after all even old films like The Blob and the
    Fly are now audio described and available. It makes no sense to me why all
    of these services cannot be just glued onto the production budget at the
    start of the making of them.
    Its blatant discrimination and counter productive from the cost point of
    view.
    Brian

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    ... on the Channel Four 'family' of Freeview channels, but you can detect
    the frenetic paddling as the swan smoothly glides across the surface.

    We watched a Film 4 movie a couple of nights ago. If I didn't kow better (yeah, right!) I'd guess the subtitling was being done real-time by a
    human typing as rapidly as possible.

    Had we still been in the good old days of GVG200s, etc, I'd suggest they
    were being DSK'ed over the entire network output.

    Their disappearance wasn't synced to advertisement breaks, in fact they persisted right through one break, creating some unintended comedy, as the last line of the earlier dialogue fitted amazingly well with some of the
    more vacuuous adverts.

    Whatever they were using (an Aston with an A2D on the output?), they had serious difficulty when the words ran to two lines - the top line
    persisted through several shot changes. You could just about work it out
    as long as you read the bottom line and ignored the upper one.

    You have to feel for the staff in these circumstances. They obviously lost
    a huge amount of metadata during the 'event', and things are far from back
    to normal.

    The surprise for me, regarding the subtitles, is that the subtitle data doesn't seem to be provided to broadcasters as standard, along with
    picture and soundtracks.

    I've seen a lot of films broadcast on lower-bandwidth channels, where they "apologise" for no subtitles, even though the film in question has been
    shown elsewhere with them. So they evidently exist, there seems no
    obligation for the broadcasters to bother. And subtitle data, even for a feature film, must be a tiny amount of storage, compared to any of the
    other streams.

    Meanwhile at C4, things must be "interesting" still...

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