I see 1548 kHz (194 metres) in London is to be switched off:
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.
I see 1548 kHz (194 metres) in London is to be switched off: https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/Saffron Green is a very expensive site to run and maintain. Global Radio
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio receivers in use or even available.DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it
was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone
to interference.
On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other countries. Even France is making a move.
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen >>> one!
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer technology.
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to interference.
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRMÂ ?
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever
it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen >>> one!
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data >allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases
where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a >business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer >technology.
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets >>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it wasWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM ?
You need something for the cricket :)
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be >broadcast on low frequencies.
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been >broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
It's called DAB
On 24/08/2023 17:50, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark CarverYes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets >>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone toWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
interference.
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London
doing the same on Jan 1)
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark CarverYes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets >>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it wasWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets >>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone toWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
interference.
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRMÂ ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets >>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to >>>>> interference.We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be >>> broadcast on low frequencies.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to >>>>>> interference.
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRMÂ ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be >>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark CarverThe radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ? >>
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to >>>>>>> interference.
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be >>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark CarverThe radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ? >>>
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been >>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to >>>>>>>> interference.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRMÂ ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be >>>>>> broadcast on low frequencies.
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because
the signal is used for teleswitching.
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), TweedI think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark CarverThe radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been >>>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRMÂ ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.
To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because >>>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), TweedI think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark CarverThe radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been >>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to >>>>>>>>> interference.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.
To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because >>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is >>the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data >>allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases >>where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a >>business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer >>technology.
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So >>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever >>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less
prone to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio
receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen >>>> one!
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), TweedPresumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup >battery.
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), TweedI think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark CarverThe radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been >>>>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.
To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because >>>>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?
In article <su1fei1l2bs85rmnk51tapm0tk5tjclknd@4ax.com>, Scott ><newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is >>>the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data >>>allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases >>>where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases don’t make for a >>>business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer >>>technology.
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So >>>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever >>>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less >>>>>> prone to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio >>>>> receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen >>>>> one!
countries. Even France is making a move.
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).
Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:30:40 +0100, tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk>
wrote:
In article <su1fei1l2bs85rmnk51tapm0tk5tjclknd@4ax.com>, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:21:51 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 12:28, MB wrote:But not much of an economic case in the UK. Delivery via the Internet is >>>> the future. Even mobile phone based delivery is heading towards huge data >>>> allowances. I know everyone is about to leap in with all the edge cases >>>> where this wont be possible for someone, but those cases donÂ’t make for a >>>> business case to invest. You need mass market adoption for a consumer
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:DRM seems to be the "in" thing in India, as well a quite a few other >>>>> countries. Even France is making a move.
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So >>>>>>> lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever >>>>>>> it was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less >>>>>>> prone to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio >>>>>> receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen >>>>>> one!
https://www.drmrx.org/drm-broadcasts-all-by-frequency/
technology.
I tried on the train to watch England play Australia using the
Internet and it was not a happy experience (from the technical
perspective that is).
Thats cos they are prone to Tunnels and cuttings;!...
I was responding to the idea that 'Delivery via the Internet is
the future'. Surely the same issues will apply in cars? How can we
rely on the Internet?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), TweedPresumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), TweedI think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension. >>>
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark CarverThe radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the electricity bill ?
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :)
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been >>>>>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRMÂ ?
Some people are firmly of the belief that cricket commentary can only be
broadcast on low frequencies.
To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket
commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost because >>>>>>> the signal is used for teleswitching.
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
battery.
And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup >>> battery.What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension. >>>>The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
(I detest both of them, and most of the rest of that industry. I'd
And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing >radio teleswitches.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), TweedPresumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), TweedI think this is already the extension to the extension to the
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:16:25 +0100, Mark CarverThe radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:51, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 13:45:41 -0000 (UTC), TweedYes, but what would be the point, and who would pay the
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Could 198 kHz support DRM?
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:You need something for the cricket :) Some people are firmly >>>>>>>>>> of the belief that cricket commentary can only be broadcast on >>>>>>>>>> low frequencies.
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been >>>>>>>>>>> broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was
called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to
interference.
It's called DAB
What would be the advantage of launching DRM ?
electricity bill ?
To satisfy the people who are firmly of the belief that cricket >>>>>>> commentary can only be broadcast on low frequencies :-)
I thought the electricity industry was paying most of the cost >>>>>>> because the signal is used for teleswitching.
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
extension.
What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?
backup battery.
And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?
No idea - there‘s nothing out there stating how far they‘ve got removing radio teleswitches.
In message <uc8e0m$3k73s$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:19:34,There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup >>>> battery.What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension. >>>>>The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".
I’ve driven from the Midlands to the Scottish Borders and listened to Internet radio provided by the cellular network the whole way. In
contrast Times Radio via DAB gives up north of Newcastle due to an
inadequate commercial transmitter rollout.
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing radio teleswitches.
On 24/08/2023 21:09, Tweed wrote:
I’ve driven from the Midlands to the Scottish Borders and listened to
Internet radio provided by the cellular network the whole way. In
contrast Times Radio via DAB gives up north of Newcastle due to an
inadequate commercial transmitter rollout.
I have driven from Tarbet (Loch Lomond) via Ayrshire and mid Wales to Falmouth and listened to DAB all they way with completely seamless
continuous reception.
Was that on a BBC MUX? Their rollout of transmitters is much
denser/better than the commercial lot.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:40 +0100, Mark CarverNo, but think it through, if you are Mr Global, and you are able to
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:50, Scott wrote:Do we know the bitrate yet?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark CarverYes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So lets >>>>> see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to >>>>> interference.We have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London
doing the same on Jan 1)
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. No oneÂ
In message <uc8e0m$3k73s$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:19:34,There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of thePresumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup >>>>> battery.What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an >>>>>>>> extension of the LW service?
old "white meter".
On 24/08/2023 21:19, Tweed wrote:
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got
removing radio teleswitches.
As it gets down to low numbers, it would probably be cheaper to just
leave everyone on cheap rate rather than pay a lot extra to keep Long
Wave going.
I don't know about Wales but I doubt whether radio teleswitching works
in the Highland and Island.
On 24/08/2023 21:19, Tweed wrote:
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing
radio teleswitches.
As it gets down to low numbers, it would probably be cheaper to just
leave everyone on cheap rate rather than pay a lot extra to keep Long
Wave going.
I don't know about Wales but I doubt whether radio teleswitching works
in the Highland and Island.
On 24/08/2023 19:54, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:40 +0100, Mark CarverNo, but think it through, if you are Mr Global, and you are able to
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 17:50, Scott wrote:Do we know the bitrate yet?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 14:07:46 +0100, Mark CarverYes, it converted from DAB to DAB+ a few years ago, (Classic FM are
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:Actually, you are out of date. Gold is on DAB+ here as I believe it
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So letsWe have a digital replacement radio system, that 'Gold 1548' been
see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it was >>>>>> called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone to >>>>>> interference.
broadcasting on for about 15 years I think.
It's called DAB
is in London also: http://www.wohnort.org/dab/uknat.html#London
doing the same on Jan 1)
replace a single DAB station at 128k, with three DAB+ stations at 40k,
that kind of answers your question.
On 24/08/2023 21:48, Tweed wrote:
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. No one
In message <uc8e0m$3k73s$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:19:34,There’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of thePresumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup >>>>>> battery.What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage? >>>>>>>I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an >>>>>>>>> extension of the LW service?
old "white meter".
think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my >> smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.
has storage heaters any more (apart from my mother with her 30 kW total >load's worth) so it's a diminishing problem.
I'm still battling to get my my mother's wacky dual electrical phase >code-switch solution replaced by a Smart Meter based solution, but her
energy supplier for reasons I won't bore you with, is still unable to.
In message <uc8e0m$3k73s$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:19:34,
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup >>>> battery.What will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage?I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension. >>>>>The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024
But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an
extension of the LW service?
But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the
old "white meter".
(I detest both of them, and most of the rest of that industry. I'd
And all this will be completed by 31 March 2024.
Do you prefer Paddy Power or Ladbrokes?
really hoped it might be in the same position as the tobacco one was
some decades ago - i. e., in the last chance saloon - but it's obviously
far more powerful than the 'baccy one was, and/or society has changed
for the worse in such matters.)
I'm sure they'd claim "commercially sensitive information". Maybe FOI?
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removing >>radio teleswitches.
Just think how much these sites are worth for housing without any >transmitters on them!
On Thu, 24 Aug 23 20:45:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>Arqiva
wrote:
[snip]
Just think how much these sites are worth for housing without anyDoes the BBC own these sites or are they owned by Arqiva?
transmitters on them!
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 22:11:47 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:They do, though in NW Scotland the granite ensures a poor signal
On 24/08/2023 21:19, Tweed wrote:My understanding was that Burghead and Westerglen carry the coding
No idea - there’s nothing out there stating how far they’ve got removingAs it gets down to low numbers, it would probably be cheaper to just
radio teleswitches.
leave everyone on cheap rate rather than pay a lot extra to keep Long
Wave going.
I don't know about Wales but I doubt whether radio teleswitching works
in the Highland and Island.
signal as well as Droitwich. I'm sure Mark will keep us right.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 07:32:53 +0100, Mark CarverHa. The spell chucker must have jumped in, I meant it to say, ....dual electrical phase tele-switch solution....
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/08/2023 21:48, Tweed wrote:I have never heard of electrical phase code switching. Could this
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. No one
In message <uc8e0m$3k73s$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:19:34, >>>> Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writesThere’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t >>> think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my >>> smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:15:17 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 18:59:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of the >>>> old "white meter".Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backupWhat will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage? >>>>>>>>I think this is already the extension to the extension to the extension.The radio teleswitch service ends 31st March 2024But will the industry be ready in time or would they welcome an >>>>>>>>>> extension of the LW service?
battery.
has storage heaters any more (apart from my mother with her 30 kW total
load's worth) so it's a diminishing problem.
I'm still battling to get my my mother's wacky dual electrical phase
code-switch solution replaced by a Smart Meter based solution, but her
energy supplier for reasons I won't bore you with, is still unable to.
replace LW switching?
On 25/08/2023 11:02, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 23 20:45:03 UTC, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>Arqiva
wrote:
[snip]
Just think how much these sites are worth for housing without anyDoes the BBC own these sites or are they owned by Arqiva?
transmitters on them!
On 24/08/2023 11:02, Scott wrote:
I see 1548 kHz (194 metres) in London is to be switched off:Saffron Green is a very expensive site to run and maintain. Global Radio
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2023/08/gold-to-lose-its-london-1548-frequency-ahead-of-50th-anniversary/
I am very surprised at this. I assumed this one would stay until the
end given there must be a vast potential audience in a densely packed
urban area, even if only in cars and vans without DAB. I suppose they
need to count the number of actual not potential listeners.
Could it be due to the ULEZ clearing out a lot of older vehicles?
Is the transmitter at Saffron Green going to close entirely? This
could determine the economics. Why don't they broadcast from Crystal
Palace or Anerley as the BBC do for Radio 4 720 kHz? I assume this
would be a far cheaper option.
will have performed a cost benefit analysis, and decided it's better to
close the service. I wouldn't be surprised if LBC News on 1152 kHz goes
soon too. It won't have anything to do with ULEZ.
Because the propagation at the top end of the MF band is far worse than
the bottom end, a large amount of power would still be required if sited
at Crystal P (or wherever). Also Saffron Green is a highly directional
site, using four masts (imagine it being a 4 element vertical pol yagi !)
to protect the use of 1548 (and 1152) elsewhere in the UK, though many of those services have already ceased. 1548 only remains in use at Sheffield
and Edinburgh. 1152 only remains in use in Newcastle and Glasgow.
On 24/08/2023 11:13, Brian Gaff wrote:
I think somebody has decreed that all am stations shall be nuked. So
lets see. How about a relaunch of Digital Radio Mondial' or whatever it
was called. Mono but able to deliver reasonable quality and less prone
to interference.
So going from a service with few listeners to one with very few radio >receivers in use or even available.
How many people do you know with a DRM receiver? I have never even seen
one!
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders on crappy portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.
On 25/08/2023 10:40, Scott wrote:
FOI only applies to public sector organisations.
Pity it cannot be extended to tabloids and news stations who use FOIA
request to make stories and cost the public sector organisation a lot of >money as they answer the requests.
Would be nice to see them also have to answer FOIA requests!
FOI only applies to public sector organisations.
On 25/08/2023 12:58, Brian Gaff wrote:
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders onYou're about 15 years out of date. Every radio I've seen on a building
crappy
portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.
site for years now, is a DAB radio, and banging out (at 100% THD)
favourite tunes/sport/phone ins
On 25/08/2023 12:08, Scott wrote:
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.
I have a suspicion that the BBC do not get anything, either the
government grab it or more likely deduct from income raised from the TV >Licence etc.
On 25/08/2023 13:01, Mark Carver wrote:
On 25/08/2023 12:58, Brian Gaff wrote:
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders onYou're about 15 years out of date. Every radio I've seen on a building
crappy
portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.
site for years now, is a DAB radio, and banging out (at 100% THD)
favourite tunes/sport/phone ins
The site radios I keep seeing for sale are DAB, FM, AM, and play off a
USB stick as well. They also use the same rechargeable batteries as the
rest of the toolkit.
On 25/08/2023 12:08, Scott wrote:
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.
I have a suspicion that the BBC do not get anything, either the
government grab it or more likely deduct from income raised from the TV Licence etc.
In article <uca7ca$1aob$2@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 25/08/2023 12:08, Scott wrote:
I wonder if there is any profit-sharing provision if the land is sold.
I have a suspicion that the BBC do not get anything, either the
government grab it or more likely deduct from income raised from the TV
Licence etc.
The ex-BBC sites have been through more than one change of ownership since >the BBC sold them.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:48:04 +0100, John Williamson
The site radios I keep seeing for sale are DAB, FM, AM, and play off a
USB stick as well. They also use the same rechargeable batteries as the
rest of the toolkit.
Not off a mobile phone via Bluetooth then? Surprising.
On 25/08/2023 13:58, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 13:48:04 +0100, John Williamson
Quite likely, I wasn't looking all that closely. The last guy that didThe site radios I keep seeing for sale are DAB, FM, AM, and play off a
USB stick as well. They also use the same rechargeable batteries as the
rest of the toolkit.
Not off a mobile phone via Bluetooth then? Surprising.
some work for me just had a cheap Bluetooth speaker and a phone, no
tuner. I think he was streaming off Spotify.
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.
On 25/08/2023 14:45, Scott wrote:
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.
Some landowners sold the sites to the BBC for a peppercorn rent because
they thought they were doing it for the benefit of the local community.
Some were not happy when they then saw rich (often foreign) telecom
companies renting space on the tower and site for lots of money with
nothing coming to themselves.
I think some tried to obstructive when they got chance.
On 24/08/2023 21:48, Tweed wrote:[]
J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
In message <uc8e0m$3k73s$1@dont-email.me> at Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:19:34,
Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 19:46:25 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
Indeed. The load adaption was really because of storage heaters. NoThere’s still lots of E7 installations with mechanical timers. I don’t >> think they care about load adaption anymore. My E7 is simply measured by my >> smart meter. It runs from a set invariable time.But that couldn't be load-adaptive; it'd just be the equivalent of theWhat will they do instead in areas without mobile phone coverage? >>>>>>>Presumably they would supply a meter with an integrated clock and backup >>>>>> battery.
old "white meter".
one has storage heaters any more (apart from my mother with her 30 kW
total load's worth) so it's a diminishing problem.
On 25/08/2023 12:58, Brian Gaff wrote:
But I thounught that these stations tended to be used by builders on crappy portables, hardly likely to take your dab to the building site.
You're about 15 years out of date. Every radio I've seen on a building
site for years now, is a DAB radio, and banging out (at 100% THD)
favourite tunes/sport/phone ins
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 15:44:38 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 25/08/2023 14:45, Scott wrote:
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter
on it and no access then sold for housing.
Some landowners sold the sites to the BBC for a peppercorn rent because >>they thought they were doing it for the benefit of the local community. >>Some were not happy when they then saw rich (often foreign) telecom >>companies renting space on the tower and site for lots of money with >>nothing coming to themselves.
Do you mean sold or rented?
In what way?
I think some tried to obstructive when they got chance.
A friend of a friend of my father's had a telegraph pole in his
garden. Whenever there was a Labour government, he charged rental but
when there was a Conservative governement, he waived the rental :-)
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:22:08 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 15:44:38 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 25/08/2023 14:45, Scott wrote:
Do we know that the land is same ownership as the transmitters
(currently Arqiva) or could this be one of these situation where the
land is owned by one company and leased by another? There should be a
decent profit for someone if the land was purchased with a transmitter >>>> on it and no access then sold for housing.
Some landowners sold the sites to the BBC for a peppercorn rent because >>>they thought they were doing it for the benefit of the local community. >>>Some were not happy when they then saw rich (often foreign) telecom >>>companies renting space on the tower and site for lots of money with >>>nothing coming to themselves.
Do you mean sold or rented?
In what way?
I think some tried to obstructive when they got chance.
A friend of a friend of my father's had a telegraph pole in his
garden. Whenever there was a Labour government, he charged rental but
when there was a Conservative governement, he waived the rental :-)
Where did he send the invoice?
Quite likely, I wasn't looking all that closely. The last guy that did some work for me just had a cheap Bluetooth speaker and a phone, no
tuner. I think he was streaming off Spotify.
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