• Leaning Lizzie?

    From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 10 07:38:21 2023
    I have the feeling that the weather forecasters for my local area (south
    east - I think the same studio covers London sometimes) appear to be
    leaning slightly - upper part of them (their head) nearer left edge of
    picture than lower part.

    It occurred to me that it might not be that noticeable in general, since
    the weather maps, viewer pictures, etc. are inserted electronically (is
    it still called green screen?), so will be correctly aligned with the
    video frame anyway - it's only the presenter that isn't. I presume if
    the camera/mount/whatever is significantly askew (has been knocked or something), someone would notice, but if the sensor inside the camera is rotated slightly, it might not be noticed for some time.

    I've had this feeling for some weeks, but it's hard to tell. Lizzie just
    now was wearing a garment with a zip at the front, and that definitely
    didn't look vertical, but of course that could be how she wears it. The
    effect - if I'm right - is only a few degrees out.
    --
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Thu Aug 10 09:15:57 2023
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    Lizzie just now was wearing a garment with a zip at the front, and that definitely didn't look vertical

    Maybe she's got one leg shorter than the other?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Aug 10 10:47:47 2023
    In message <kjjklsF9l8pU1@mid.individual.net> at Thu, 10 Aug 2023
    09:15:57, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    Lizzie just now was wearing a garment with a zip at the front, and
    that definitely didn't look vertical

    Maybe she's got one leg shorter than the other?

    (Lizzie is always very smart and trim.) I have noticed the effect when
    other forecasters are giving the forecast.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Fri Aug 11 13:30:43 2023
    Have you tried to actually contact the company?
    Brian

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    09:15:57, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> writes
    J. P. Gilliver wrote:

    Lizzie just now was wearing a garment with a zip at the front, and that
    definitely didn't look vertical

    Maybe she's got one leg shorter than the other?

    (Lizzie is always very smart and trim.) I have noticed the effect when
    other forecasters are giving the forecast.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Fri Aug 11 13:29:31 2023
    Maybe the studio is on a boat with a list?
    Brian

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    "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message news:5oG0tmMdXI1kFwn4@255soft.uk...
    I have the feeling that the weather forecasters for my local area (south
    east - I think the same studio covers London sometimes) appear to be
    leaning slightly - upper part of them (their head) nearer left edge of >picture than lower part.

    It occurred to me that it might not be that noticeable in general, since
    the weather maps, viewer pictures, etc. are inserted electronically (is it still called green screen?), so will be correctly aligned with the video frame anyway - it's only the presenter that isn't. I presume if the camera/mount/whatever is significantly askew (has been knocked or
    something), someone would notice, but if the sensor inside the camera is rotated slightly, it might not be noticed for some time.

    I've had this feeling for some weeks, but it's hard to tell. Lizzie just
    now was wearing a garment with a zip at the front, and that definitely
    didn't look vertical, but of course that could be how she wears it. The effect - if I'm right - is only a few degrees out.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    a joke doesn't become a dad joke until it's full groan

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Aug 11 14:13:27 2023
    In message <ub59ln$refg$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 11 Aug 2023 13:30:43,
    Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
    Have you tried to actually contact the company?
    Brian

    Not over this, no. In general, contacting the BBC about anything
    technical (actually, about anything, but definitely technical) isn't
    easy (probably applies to other broadcasters too).

    Plus, on this one, I'm not _convinced_ I'm right: once I suspected it, I
    kept seeing it, but am not sure whether I'm imagining it or not, so
    thought I'd mention it here, to see if others felt the same. It's only a
    few degrees off the vertical, if it _is_ the case at all: most
    noticeable with a slim presenter.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Aug 11 15:13:58 2023
    On 11/08/2023 13:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Maybe the studio is on a boat with a list?
    Brian

    Memories of Fred Talbot on This Morning?

    We were all waiting for him to fall in. (Including the programme
    creators, who allegedly had a diver on standby in the water nearby.)

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  • From A N Informer@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Aug 11 16:23:19 2023
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in news:kjmu17FqtutU1 @mid.individual.net:

    On 11/08/2023 13:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Maybe the studio is on a boat with a list?
    Brian

    Memories of Fred Talbot on This Morning?

    We were all waiting for him to fall in. (Including the programme
    creators, who allegedly had a diver on standby in the water nearby.)


    I have an old chum who worked on that show for years (in Liverpool and Londonistan) - they didn't.

    A 10 minute phone call to parts foreign, confirms that the notorious kiddy fiddler went in once, and that was when he was ankle grabbed by an Royal
    Navy diver. It cost the tax-payer a new radio mic kit and a Wood and
    Douglas TB receiver.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to J. P. Gilliver on Fri Aug 11 17:00:02 2023
    In article <ii8SPoI3Pj1kFwVU@255soft.uk>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    In message <ub59ln$refg$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 11 Aug 2023 13:30:43,
    Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
    Have you tried to actually contact the company?
    Brian

    Not over this, no. In general, contacting the BBC about anything
    technical (actually, about anything, but definitely technical) isn't
    easy (probably applies to other broadcasters too).

    Sadly, Engineering Information Department was closed. "people should ask
    their dealers".

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to charles on Fri Aug 11 19:41:02 2023
    In message <5ad256fd1echarles@candehope.me.uk> at Fri, 11 Aug 2023
    17:00:02, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes
    In article <ii8SPoI3Pj1kFwVU@255soft.uk>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    In message <ub59ln$refg$1@dont-email.me> at Fri, 11 Aug 2023 13:30:43,
    Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> writes
    Have you tried to actually contact the company?
    Brian

    Not over this, no. In general, contacting the BBC about anything
    technical (actually, about anything, but definitely technical) isn't
    easy (probably applies to other broadcasters too).

    Sadly, Engineering Information Department was closed. "people should ask >their dealers".

    Now that's a quaint concept! I don't think I've come across anyone like
    what the word "dealer" in that context implies, for several decades!

    https://www.bvwm.org.uk/portrait.jpg
    https://www.bvwm.org.uk/Gerry1108.jpg
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    Never make the same mistake twice...there are so many new ones to make!

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to A N Informer on Tue Aug 15 13:22:34 2023
    I'd best not ask.
    Brian

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    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in
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    @mid.individual.net:

    On 11/08/2023 13:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Maybe the studio is on a boat with a list?
    Brian

    Memories of Fred Talbot on This Morning?

    We were all waiting for him to fall in. (Including the programme
    creators, who allegedly had a diver on standby in the water nearby.)


    I have an old chum who worked on that show for years (in Liverpool and Londonistan) - they didn't.

    A 10 minute phone call to parts foreign, confirms that the notorious kiddy fiddler went in once, and that was when he was ankle grabbed by an Royal
    Navy diver. It cost the tax-payer a new radio mic kit and a Wood and
    Douglas TB receiver.


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  • From Roger@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Sat Aug 19 10:37:13 2023
    On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 07:38:21 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    I have the feeling that the weather forecasters for my local area (south
    east - I think the same studio covers London sometimes) appear to be
    leaning slightly - upper part of them (their head) nearer left edge of >picture than lower part.

    It occurred to me that it might not be that noticeable in general, since
    the weather maps, viewer pictures, etc. are inserted electronically (is
    it still called green screen?), so will be correctly aligned with the
    video frame anyway - it's only the presenter that isn't. I presume if
    the camera/mount/whatever is significantly askew (has been knocked or >something), someone would notice, but if the sensor inside the camera is >rotated slightly, it might not be noticed for some time.

    I've had this feeling for some weeks, but it's hard to tell. Lizzie just
    now was wearing a garment with a zip at the front, and that definitely
    didn't look vertical, but of course that could be how she wears it. The >effect - if I'm right - is only a few degrees out.

    I see nobody has offered a sensible possible explanation. Please
    try this experiment.

    Remove your spectacles if you wear them. It doesn't matter
    that your vision may now be blurred it's just that spectacles
    introduce distortion you may not be aware of.

    Stand close to a door frame and look directly at it at head
    height. Move your head from side to side keeping your eyes still
    within your head. The door frame is vertical whether it's to the
    left, right or centre of your vision.

    Now look down at say 45 degrees and move your head from side to
    side. What do you see? Does the door frame stay vertical? No.
    When the door frame is on the left hand side of you vision it
    leans in the way you have described Lizzie.

    Therefore Lizzie's leaningness can be explained by the camera
    position. Wide angle lenses make the effect more noticeable than
    more standard lenses.
    --
    Roger

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Roger on Sat Aug 19 15:20:50 2023
    In message <9r11ei5qp4dvq9ffcnabua9ei0mp275f6h@4ax.com> at Sat, 19 Aug
    2023 10:37:13, Roger <invalid@invalid.invalid> writes
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    Therefore Lizzie's leaningness can be explained by the camera
    position. Wide angle lenses make the effect more noticeable than
    more standard lenses.

    I have been looking carefully, and am now not convinced that the effect
    is present - or, someone has fixed it. It did also occur to me that it
    might be a lens effect, though if that is the explanation a less than
    optimum choice of lens is involved.
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