The only reason I can think of harks back to a sketch mocking the use of >visual aids on Not the Nine O'Clock News - in the late '70s! (I think it >might have been - using Pammy of course - mocking Jan Leeming, or Angela
of course.) It may seem inconceivable that a sketch from over 40 years
ago could still be having repercussions today,
IMO, all the news outlets make_insufficient_ use of maps and other
visual aids - especially, at the moment, the Ukraine situation: for
example, where the flood waters will affect (both habitation and agricultural), but also things like graphs and pie charts.
It's because arts educated people are not usually map literate. They find maps confusing. As just one example, I have friend who has several degrees and has won industry awards, but he cannot understand maps at all. Even following a walking map in the Lake District is beyond him.
On 07/06/2023 11:05, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
IMO, all the news outlets make_insufficient_ use of maps and other
visual aids - especially, at the moment, the Ukraine situation: for
example, where the flood waters will affect (both habitation and
agricultural), but also things like graphs and pie charts.
How much are they charged for using maps?
Some young kid typing up the report, might well have been told off
previously because the company got a high bill for using a map and he
is probably not familiar with on how to get copyright clearance and >agreements as well not high enough up the food chain to authorise a
payment.
J. P. Gilliver wrote:
The only reason I can think of harks back to a sketch mocking the use of >>visual aids on Not the Nine O'Clock News - in the late '70s! (I think it >>might have been - using Pammy of course - mocking Jan Leeming, or Angela
of course.) It may seem inconceivable that a sketch from over 40 years
ago could still be having repercussions today,
My mind goes back to The Frost Report, sketch including the
Lord Privy Seal.
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVlfvdH7qwY>
Chris
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It's because arts educated people are not usually map literate. They
find maps confusing. As just one example, I have friend who has
several degrees and has won industry awards, but he cannot understand
maps at all. Even following a walking map in the Lake District is
beyond him.
Some people expect paper maps to turn so the direction they are heading
is always "upwards", and they expect maps to have a red crosshair to
show "you are here" as they follow a route.
My ears were caught by the phrase "lots of maps" - I think the presenter
was talking about the BBC News website.
IMO, all the news outlets make _insufficient_ use of maps and other
visual aids - especially, at the moment, the Ukraine situation: for
example, where the flood waters will affect (both habitation and agricultural), but also things like graphs and pie charts.
The only reason I can think of harks back to a sketch mocking the use of visual aids on Not the Nine O'Clock News - in the late '70s! (I think it might have been - using Pammy of course - mocking Jan Leeming, or Angela
of course.) It may seem inconceivable that a sketch from over 40 years
ago could still be having repercussions today, but that show was
amazingly influential - for example, the presentation (and generally
running) of darts is _still_ influenced by one of their sketches, and I
don't think American Express will ever use That Slogan again, either.
If that _isn't_ the reason, then why _don't_ the (TV broadcast) news
media use visual aids more? (And _leave them on screen_ for more than a
few seconds; I'd far rather see a map than the person talking about what
it shows - I can _hear_ them just fine.)
For example (it's just come on which prompts me): can you imagine a TV weather report _without_ either maps or other visual aids.
(The report [I say _the_ report, as it's the same one I've seen several
times in a very short time] from Ukraine is on again: they'd rather
show, again, the video of the breach, and some ground video [sadly, we
know what people evacuating looks like], than maps. One static map did appear, for a few seconds.)
My ears were caught by the phrase "lots of maps" - I think the presenter
was talking about the BBC News website.
IMO, all the news outlets make _insufficient_ use of maps and other visual aids - especially, at the moment, the Ukraine situation: for example,
where the flood waters will affect (both habitation and agricultural), but also things like graphs and pie charts.
The only reason I can think of harks back to a sketch mocking the use of visual aids on Not the Nine O'Clock News - in the late '70s! (I think it might have been - using Pammy of course - mocking Jan Leeming, or Angela
of course.) It may seem inconceivable that a sketch from over 40 years ago could still be having repercussions today, but that show was amazingly influential - for example, the presentation (and generally running) of
darts is _still_ influenced by one of their sketches, and I don't think American Express will ever use That Slogan again, either.
If that _isn't_ the reason, then why _don't_ the (TV broadcast) news media use visual aids more? (And _leave them on screen_ for more than a few seconds; I'd far rather see a map than the person talking about what it
shows - I can _hear_ them just fine.)
For example (it's just come on which prompts me): can you imagine a TV weather report _without_ either maps or other visual aids.
(The report [I say _the_ report, as it's the same one I've seen several
times in a very short time] from Ukraine is on again: they'd rather show, again, the video of the breach, and some ground video [sadly, we know what people evacuating looks like], than maps. One static map did appear, for a few seconds.)
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Oi, what about us blind people. I do despair on some apps and web sites
where you have to move a pin with the mouse or finger and then get a close up. We cannot do that in any way, and there are a lot of us out there, yet the attempt to make these things work for us is either non existent, or
badly done.
Reading this thread its hard to believe the OP - or the other
contributors - actually watch news on TV. Both the BBC and Sky news
channels constantly make use of graphics including maps and satellite
images.
Of course, if they all spend their days watching GB News ...
That may well be an aspect of it - and if it is, it's a sad state of
affairs. It surely shouldn't be the reason why maps showing the Ukraine flooding are absent.
On 08/06/2023 08:09, MikeS wrote:
Reading this thread its hard to believe the OP - or the other
contributors - actually watch news on TV. Both the BBC and Sky news
channels constantly make use of graphics including maps and satellite
images.
Of course, if they all spend their days watching GB News ...
It is a commen feature of USENET that someone claims a story was not on
the news even though you remember seeing it, usually if you look on the
BBC News website it will also be there.
But the news reports on air and online are changing all the time.
Reading this thread its hard to believe the OP - or the other
contributors - actually watch news on TV. Both the BBC and Sky news
channels constantly make use of graphics including maps and satellite
images.
Of course, if they all spend their days watching GB News ...
I mostly watch BBC, sometimes Sky. So far,_I_ have seen very little/few
maps on the dam story - and when there is one, it's on screen for a very short time. There is also almost never a cursor used (or in days past, a person pointing), to show what/where was being talked about.
On 08/06/2023 11:01, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I mostly watch BBC, sometimes Sky. So far,_I_ have seen very little/few
maps on the dam story - and when there is one, it's on screen for a very
short time. There is also almost never a cursor used (or in days past, a
person pointing), to show what/where was being talked about.
It is probably because the situation is very fluid (excuse pun), they
could spend time making up a map then find thinga have changed and they
have to start again.
Easier to show a satellite image which shows it better.
On 08/06/2023 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
Oi, what about us blind people. I do despair on some apps and web sites
where you have to move a pin with the mouse or finger and then get a close >> up. We cannot do that in any way, and there are a lot of us out there, yet >> the attempt to make these things work for us is either non existent, or
badly done.
What do you suggest, I presume there are some bulletins with Audio >Description available but difficult to see what else can be done.
Oi, what about us blind people. I do despair on some apps and web sites
where you have to move a pin with the mouse or finger and then get a close up. We cannot do that in any way, and there are a lot of us out there, yet the attempt to make these things work for us is either non existent, or
badly done.
Well some things are inherently visual, but one thing that could be
improved for blind people is chatbots, including the emotional/social
kind like Replika (featured on a recent edition of ITV Tonight). These
are fundamentally text based and any visuals are just an icing on the
cake. I'm sure you would like to have an AI friend to discuss your life
with. Some of them even allow ERP (erotic role-play).
On 08/06/2023 09:03, Brian Gaff wrote:
Oi, what about us blind people. I do despair on some apps and web sites
where you have to move a pin with the mouse or finger and then get a
close
up. We cannot do that in any way, and there are a lot of us out there,
yet
the attempt to make these things work for us is either non existent, or
badly done.
What do you suggest, I presume there are some bulletins with Audio Description available but difficult to see what else can be done.
On our council web sit they also have a part for blind people which allows >post codes to be entered in to identify, for example, a fly tipped heap of >junk.
It depends on what you are trying to do with your maps of course. in some
sites and apps you do also get a rough idea of where you are by simulating >the mouse with cursor keys. There is also of course that excellent app what >three words for locations out in the middle of nowhere.
Brian
It depends on what you are trying to do with your maps of course. in some sites and apps you do also get a rough idea of where you are by simulating the mouse with cursor keys. There is also of course that excellent app what three words for locations out in the middle of nowhere.
Indeed. Covers the whole world, apparently. (Though you do need mobile coverage - perhaps not to generate the three words as I think those are
based on GPS, but in order to actually communicate them to anyone!)
On 09/06/2023 09:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
It depends on what you are trying to do with your maps of course. in some >> sites and apps you do also get a rough idea of where you are by simulating >> the mouse with cursor keys. There is also of course that excellent app what >> three words for locations out in the middle of nowhere.
Did you see (on The One Show I think) the sort of Braille-like device
so a blind person can follow the movement of the ball in a game of
football.
"Back to square one ..."
Back to square one
On 10/06/2023 03:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:[]
Back to square one
The origin of the phrase "Back to square one" is uncertain. According
to most etymology resources, the phrase might have come from the sport
of football: when someone goes back to the first square, then the
phrase is a tactical reference that is thought to have branched out of
the sport and into popular use³. However, this theory is not supported
by any evidence. The earliest recorded use of it in print is from a
1952 edition of the Economic Journal². It's a classic of folk etymology
and ranks up there with 'the whole nine yards' and 'posh' as an
expression that people 'know' the origin of, when in fact they don't¹.
I hope that helps!
On 10/06/2023 03:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Back to square one
The origin of the phrase "Back to square one" is uncertain. According to
most etymology resources, the phrase might have come from the sport of >football: when someone goes back to the first square, then the phrase is
a tactical reference that is thought to have branched out of the sport
and into popular use³. However, this theory is not supported by any
evidence. The earliest recorded use of it in print is from a 1952
edition of the Economic Journal². It's a classic of folk etymology and
ranks up there with 'the whole nine yards' and 'posh' as an expression
that people 'know' the origin of, when in fact they don't¹.
I hope that helps!
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 11:14:06 +0100, Bing AI <bing_ai@example.com>
wrote:
On 10/06/2023 03:40, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
Back to square one
The origin of the phrase "Back to square one" is uncertain. According to
most etymology resources, the phrase might have come from the sport of
football: when someone goes back to the first square, then the phrase is
a tactical reference that is thought to have branched out of the sport
and into popular use³. However, this theory is not supported by any
evidence. The earliest recorded use of it in print is from a 1952
edition of the Economic Journal². It's a classic of folk etymology and
ranks up there with 'the whole nine yards' and 'posh' as an expression
that people 'know' the origin of, when in fact they don't¹.
I hope that helps!
I thought it might be from "Snakes and Ladders"
I didn't actually see the item on the Braille-like device being
discussed. Maybe it'll come round again - was it on Click?
On 10/06/2023 14:08, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
I didn't actually see the item on the Braille-like device being
discussed. Maybe it'll come round again - was it on Click?
I think it was on The One Show.
It was small box with a plan of the pitch on the top. There was
something like a steel washer that moved around and could be felt by
the blind person. If there was a goal then I think it vibrated.
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