Apparently, to mark the 40th anniversary of some aspect of the
"Bergerac" series (is 40 a significant one? For a marriage, maybe, but I didn't think it was in general), the BBC are releasing some pictures
taken during the making of the series.
Nice, and I wish them no ill - but is that really newsworthy? I've seen
at least two sets of headlines that mention it.
Apparently, to mark the 40th anniversary of some aspect of the
"Bergerac" series (is 40 a significant one? For a marriage, maybe, but I didn't think it was in general), the BBC are releasing some pictures
taken during the making of the series.
Nice, and I wish them no ill - but is that really newsworthy? I've seen
at least two sets of headlines that mention it.
On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:08:46 PM UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 19/10/2021 15:06, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Apparently, to mark the 40th anniversary of some aspect of theSeems quite reasonable, I have actually been watching some of the old
"Bergerac" series (is 40 a significant one? For a marriage, maybe, but
I
didn't think it was in general), the BBC are releasing some pictures
taken during the making of the series.
Nice, and I wish them no ill - but is that really newsworthy? I've seen
at least two sets of headlines that mention it.
series recently. We got bombarded with promotions for the new James
Bond film so why not this, I know which I would rather watch especially
if one of the episodes with the Ice Maiden!
I read the article on the BBC website but one part confused me.
They say that they have digitally remastered an episode from the original film master and go on to say that the digitally restored version is 10 minutes longer than copies edited to contain commercial breaks. Presumably these 'copies' referred to are versions supplied to other third party broadcasters. Or did the BBC edit down all versions for broadcast
(including the BBC broadcast) to be advert friendly i.e. deliberately
remove 10 minutes from the directors cut.
On 19/10/2021 15:06, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Apparently, to mark the 40th anniversary of some aspect of the
"Bergerac" series (is 40 a significant one? For a marriage, maybe, but I didn't think it was in general), the BBC are releasing some pictures
taken during the making of the series.
Nice, and I wish them no ill - but is that really newsworthy? I've seenSeems quite reasonable, I have actually been watching some of the old
at least two sets of headlines that mention it.
series recently. We got bombarded with promotions for the new James
Bond film so why not this, I know which I would rather watch especially
if one of the episodes with the Ice Maiden!
"Gerard K" <scotsmandrareg@gmail.com> wrote in message >news:3b562d59-a669-44e7-b195-6bc5d03082b1n@googlegroups.com...
On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:08:46 PM UTC+1, MB wrote:
On 19/10/2021 15:06, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Apparently, to mark the 40th anniversary of some aspect of theSeems quite reasonable, I have actually been watching some of the old
"Bergerac" series (is 40 a significant one? For a marriage, maybe,
but I
didn't think it was in general), the BBC are releasing some pictures
taken during the making of the series.
Nice, and I wish them no ill - but is that really newsworthy? I've seen >>> > at least two sets of headlines that mention it.
series recently. We got bombarded with promotions for the new James
Bond film
so why not this, I know which I would rather watch especially
if one of the episodes with the Ice Maiden!
I read the article on the BBC website but one part confused me.
They say that they have digitally remastered an episode from the
original film master and go on to say that the digitally restored
version is 10 minutes longer than copies edited to contain commercial >>breaks. Presumably these 'copies' referred to are versions supplied
to other third party broadcasters. Or did the BBC edit down all
versions for broadcast (including the BBC broadcast) to be advert
friendly i.e. deliberately remove 10 minutes from the directors cut.
Yes, I had to read the sentence several times and I'm still left with a
"so what - they've put back the 10 minutes that non-BBC broadcasters
removed for adverts". On the other hand, IMDB says that episodes were >originally 50 minutes long, so maybe they were "pre-edited" by BBC to
fit a 1-hour slot with adverts, in which case maybe there is new
material which has not been seen before.
It's a shame they have only remastered one episode. They could do with >remastering all of them: it's amazing what additional detail and tonal
range is revealed when the original negative is telecined on a modern
machine rather than one that used the technology of the time, which is
now 40 years old. A bit of grain-, scratch- and dust-removal works
wonders as well.
On 19/10/2021 23:23, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
That would have meant they were only 50 minutes when on the BBC?
I just had a look on GENOME, it was as I remembered and most of that type
of series were 50 minute.
You did not tend to get the same programmes on ITV but similar ones would
be an hour with the adverts.
That would have meant they were only 50 minutes when on the BBC?
On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:06:03 +0100, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Apparently, to mark the 40th anniversary of some aspect of the
"Bergerac" series (is 40 a significant one? For a marriage, maybe, but I
didn't think it was in general), the BBC are releasing some pictures
taken during the making of the series.
Nice, and I wish them no ill - but is that really newsworthy? I've seen
at least two sets of headlines that mention it.
On BBC Breakfast they were talking to a producer who is planning to start
a new series of Bergerac. He's about to start casting.
--
TOJ
Apparently, to mark the 40th anniversary of some aspect of the "Bergerac" series (is 40 a significant one? For a marriage, maybe, but I didn't think
it was in general), the BBC are releasing some pictures taken during the making of the series.
Nice, and I wish them no ill - but is that really newsworthy? I've seen at least two sets of headlines that mention it.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the
end.
He was interviewed on Radio Jersey. I heard part of it, he is sounding
very old and grandfather like now. I think as he said that the public may well like to see a return of something similar to our screens. If the
stories are well written as they were mostly on the original, then why
not? Obviously he is too old to play a a recovering alcoholic policeman
and most of his co stars are dead, but I guess he could have a cameo as a voice from the past.
The name, Bergerac always sounded like the name of some male fragrance to
me anyway, but then, I've got that sense of humour.
It was interesting to me when they re ran the various series to not a lot
of it sounds like it was made on film, a bit like the ITV stuff made by
ITC and Euston Films were.
Would it work as well without an equivalent of Charlie Hungerford? I wonder what became of the odious new boss played by Roger Sloman - there's scope
for a bit of comeuppance and back-story there in a new series.
The name, Bergerac always sounded like the name of some male fragrance to me >anyway, but then, I've got that sense of humour.
It was interesting to me when they re ran the various series to not a lot
of it sounds like it was made on film, a bit like the ITV stuff made by ITC >and Euston Films were.
Brian
It was interesting to see how very similar the production styles (*)[]
There was lovely word-picture painted by Louise Jameson in an interview
about Bergerac. They had to film a scene where Jim and Susan were in
bed. Under the duvet, the actors were fully clothed, but the bottoms of
John Nettles' trousers could be seen. He offered to roll them up, and
Louise said "You can take them off - I don't mind." John declined,
saying "If I get aroused, I'll be embarrassed. And if I don't, you'll
be offended."
(*) In particular the stills in the end credits showing the characters
who were listed in that page of credits.
On 20/10/2021 10:21, NY wrote:
Would it work as well without an equivalent of Charlie Hungerford? I
wonder
what became of the odious new boss played by Roger Sloman - there's scope
for a bit of comeuppance and back-story there in a new series.
I can't remember Sloman.
An updated Charlie Hungerford would be difficult to devise, he manages to
be stay likable.
I remember - must have been quite a few years ago, but not _that_ long - seeing an episode of "Morse" being shown in the small hours - where they
let the full original credits roll at the end - the full music, and so
long that I realised that when they show them nowadays they've hacked the
end credits considerably. And they didn't squash, squeeze, or talk over.
I almost expected to hear the end of the film slapping on the projector! (Yes, I know it'd have been telecine'd [I think it was long enough ago
_not_ to have been off disc], but you know what I mean.)
(*) OK, I know the adverts pay the bills on a commercial channel, but
there should be contingency in the budget to allow for loss of income
for occasionally ditching adverts to make up time. Or even [another revolutionary idea] bill the maker of the live programme or the
organisers of the over-running sport. Even if the commercials have to
stay, at least ditch the trailers.
On 20/10/2021 15:08, NY wrote:
(*) OK, I know the adverts pay the bills on a commercial channel, butDitching adverts isn't a matter of losing funding, it's a matter of
there should be contingency in the budget to allow for loss of income
for occasionally ditching adverts to make up time. Or even [another revolutionary idea] bill the maker of the live programme or the
organisers of the over-running sport. Even if the commercials have to
stay, at least ditch the trailers.
breach of contract. They pay a *lot* to get them on screen at a fixed
time. Exemplary damages are a real, and very expensive, thing.
Ditching trailers is internal politics, mostly.
--
Tciao for Now!
John.
I remember - must have been quite a few years ago, but not_that_ long - seeing an episode of "Morse" being shown in the small hours - where they
let the full original credits roll at the end - the full music, and so
long that I realised that when they show them nowadays they've hacked
the end credits considerably.
There was an episode of Bergerac on the Drama Channel this afternoon so I thought
I would record it and measure the programme duration with and without adverts:
There was an episode of Bergerac on the Drama Channel this afternoon so I thought
I would record it and measure the programme duration with and without adverts:
With adverts = 58 mins 19 seconds (nominal 1 hour slot on Drama)
Without adverts = 44 mins 50 seconds (IMDB says 50 mins for episode duration)
On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 09:19:42 -0700 (PDT), Gerard K
<scotsmandrareg@gmail.com> wrote:
There was an episode of Bergerac on the Drama Channel this afternoon so I >>thought
I would record it and measure the programme duration with and without >>adverts:
With adverts = 58 mins 19 seconds (nominal 1 hour slot on Drama)
Without adverts = 44 mins 50 seconds (IMDB says 50 mins for episode >>duration)
Then there is the question of frame rate. If it was shot on film, was
it shot at 25fps because it was the BBC shooting it for television, or
was it shot at 24fps because that's "traditional" for film? If it was
the latter, it would run for 4% longer in an American telecine machine
than a British one.
There was an episode of Bergerac on the Drama Channel this afternoon so I thought
I would record it and measure the programme duration with and without adverts:
With adverts = 58 mins 19 seconds (nominal 1 hour slot on Drama)
Without adverts = 44 mins 50 seconds (IMDB says 50 mins for episode duration)
Yes; anything originally shot on film - even 16mm - bears re-scanning. (_Maybe_ 8mm is only SD-worthy, though even there I have my doubts, especially super 8.) They ought to do TOS, which I think was on film.
(They re-processed TNG - I think that was video, but they have kept the aspect ratio at least. I've seen rather a lot of TOS that's been
cropped, which is awful.)
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