• Sound from the Abbey

    From Tweed@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 09:09:40 2023
    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the sound from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.

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  • From jon_t@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sat May 6 09:48:30 2023
    On Sat, 06 May 2023 09:09:40 +0000, Tweed wrote:

    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the
    sound from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.

    Yes, noticed that as well.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sat May 6 12:03:59 2023
    On 06/05/2023 10:09, Tweed wrote:
    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the sound from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.


    I was going to ask also - I am watching Freeview.

    Seems to on louder bits of sound?

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to me@home.uk on Sat May 6 11:31:12 2023
    jon_t <me@home.uk> wrote:

    On Sat, 06 May 2023 09:09:40 +0000, Tweed wrote:

    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the
    sound from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.

    Yes, noticed that as well.

    So far (11:30) there have been three late mic fade-ups. Didn't they
    have a rehearsal?


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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 6 12:24:55 2023
    On 06/05/2023 12:03, MB wrote:
    On 06/05/2023 10:09, Tweed wrote:
    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the
    sound
    from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.


    I was going to ask also - I am watching Freeview.

    Seems to on louder bits of sound?

    Occasionally dodgy even on the ambience.

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    Max Demian

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat May 6 11:19:22 2023
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 06/05/2023 10:09, Tweed wrote:
    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the sound >> from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.


    I was going to ask also - I am watching Freeview.

    Seems to on louder bits of sound?




    Yes, loud peaks seem to cause a cut. Still going on. I thought everything
    was supposed to have a backup for things like this.

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  • From Phil@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sat May 6 14:14:19 2023
    On 06/05/2023 10:09, Tweed wrote:
    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the sound from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.

    On noticing this I switched from satellite to terrestrial where it was
    just the same.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Phil on Sat May 6 14:34:24 2023
    Phil <phil@no.spam.ta> wrote:

    On 06/05/2023 10:09, Tweed wrote:
    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the sound from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.

    On noticing this I switched from satellite to terrestrial where it was
    just the same.

    Weirdly I heard a French station on shortwave (around 28 Mc/s)
    describing the ceremony and the studio audio on that was cutting out intermittently, even though they weren't taking any sound from the
    ceremony. Is it just a strange coincidence or was there a bigger fault
    with more widespread consequences?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sat May 6 19:53:01 2023
    In message <u35d3q$2r3fi$1@dont-email.me> at Sat, 6 May 2023 11:19:22,
    Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> writes
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 06/05/2023 10:09, Tweed wrote:
    On BBC One via satellite there seems to be occasional breakups of the sound >>> from Westminster Abbey this morning. Picture not affected.

    I noticed the same (not just from the abbey - also during the procession
    to (and from, I think).

    I was going to ask also - I am watching Freeview.

    I was watching on FreeView HD (i. e. 101).

    Seems to on louder bits of sound?




    Yes, loud peaks seem to cause a cut. Still going on. I thought everything

    It didn't seem to me connected to anything - just cut out, as if a loose connection.

    was supposed to have a backup for things like this.

    Yes, I thought it was unforgivable for such an event: sure, you get
    glitches, but some of the dropouts were long enough that I'd have hoped
    someone would have pressed the "switch to backup" switch, or whatever. I strongly suspect there was minimal (certainly off-air) monitoring of
    sound, only picture.
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    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    I can prove anything with statistics - except the truth.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 13 20:00:50 2023
    In article <1qahj1a.1v9yyqczt848sN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> scribeth thus
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 09/05/2023 14:44, Mary Wolstenholme wrote:
    On Tue, 9 May 2023 09:02:57 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    I think that was during the 1937 coronation. It occurred a few minutes >> >> before the OB was due to go live and I think it was caused by a loose
    valveholder connection in the synch pulse generator.

    What was a synch pulse generator used for in 1937 ?

    The same as it was until digital arrived. The system in use for the 1937
    coronation was the Marconi-EMI 405 line system, the Baird 240 line
    system having been discontinued in February of that year.

    The parameters were finally decided upon in Mrs. Blumlein's front room
    over cups of tea. She invited the EMI team, including A.D. Blumlein's
    boss, Isaac Schoenberg, around for Sunday lunch; while they were waiting
    for the meal to be cooked, they thrashed out the final details of the >405-line television system.


    Begs the question what the spec would have been like if decided down the boozer;?..
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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Sat May 13 19:59:53 2023
    In article <u3e4ig$bgor$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> scribeth
    thus
    On 08/05/2023 20:30, Dickie mint wrote:
    All depends on someone hearing the problem and knowing how to solve it!


    Didn't it used to be the rule that there was an ordinary TV set
    somewhere as a check, it is after all the ultimate test.

    People have far too much faith in the digital systems indicating no
    faults, not just in the broadcast world but also with telecom systems.

    On top of that any faults cane be muted and so making it look as if all OK.


    And someone watching online like many must have done. It wasn't that
    good audio quality either!...

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to charles on Fri May 19 01:51:45 2023
    On 08/05/2023 11:36, charles wrote:
    I watched, at home, from Crystal Palace. and didn't notice anything amiss.


    It so happened that my wife and I were on a cruise on Coronation Day, so
    we watched the events (from the BBC feed) in appalling picture quality
    (*) on the TV in our cabin, as the ship made its merry way between
    Germany and Finland.

    I wasn't aware of any sound or picture dropouts - and I was expecting
    them if the ship happened to roll and its satellite dish servo couldn't
    track the geostationary satellite perfectly.

    (*) Probably due to the ship's dire analogue cable feed to the cabins - multipath ghosting, random fluttering, nasty clipping of highlights...
    on locally-generated signals as well as those received by satellite.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to charles on Fri May 19 12:14:26 2023
    On 08/05/2023 11:36, charles wrote:
    In article <5aa148fc1abob@sick-of-spam.invalid>,
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:
    In article <9D$V9OCV7LWkFwMu@255soft.uk>,
    J. P. Gilliver <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
    In message <5aa13dc7e6bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> at Mon, 8 May 2023
    09:12:52, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> writes
    In article <kbpdk2Flf4dU1@mid.individual.net>,
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Which probably suggests the fault was downstream of the BBC's
    domestic pres truck, but upstream of the code and mux stage. My
    guess, the link between the on site BBC pres truck (and not the
    one producing the 'World Feed') and the playout centre in W12

    I'm really disappointed by this. They had months to prepare and
    test. Months to get redundancy and monitoring in place and yet
    they failed miserably to sort it on the day. Unbelievably, the
    shambles continued into last night's concert.

    Inexcusable, heads should roll.

    As I said earlier, I suspect it's a matter of monitoring being
    either in the wrong place, or not done; the test design thus being
    at fault. If the fault was downstream from where any monitoring,
    they wouldn't know there _was_ a fault (monitoring in wrong place);
    if nobody was monitoring the audio at all, only the pictures,
    that's bad too.

    Forgive my naivety and ignorance of how it all was supposed to work.
    I find it impossible to believe that in all the BBC buildings in the
    UK no one was actually watching (with sound on) the broadcast the
    nation was lumbered with.


    I watched, at home, from Crystal Palace. and didn't notice anything amiss.

    Which LCN, 1 or 101?

    It's been suggested that the (obvious) defects only occurred on the BBC1
    HD channel, and may have been something to do with the 5.1 (i.e.surround
    sound) feed. I definitely had it (CP LCN 101) but I don't have any
    surround sound kit.

    Complete silence from BBC as yet that I know of.

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    Max Demian

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Fri May 19 14:13:09 2023
    In article <yfecnRSPF_C_Vfv5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY <me@privacy.net> scribeth thus
    On 08/05/2023 11:36, charles wrote:
    I watched, at home, from Crystal Palace. and didn't notice anything amiss.


    It so happened that my wife and I were on a cruise on Coronation Day, so
    we watched the events (from the BBC feed) in appalling picture quality
    (*) on the TV in our cabin, as the ship made its merry way between
    Germany and Finland.

    I wasn't aware of any sound or picture dropouts - and I was expecting
    them if the ship happened to roll and its satellite dish servo couldn't
    track the geostationary satellite perfectly.

    (*) Probably due to the ship's dire analogue cable feed to the cabins - >multipath ghosting, random fluttering, nasty clipping of highlights...
    on locally-generated signals as well as those received by satellite.


    Very authentic, Probably a bit like what the viewers saw at Queen Liz's crowning!!

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    Tony Sayer


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  • From NY@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Sun May 21 01:49:39 2023
    On 19/05/2023 14:13, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <yfecnRSPF_C_Vfv5nZ2dnZfqnPednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY <me@privacy.net> scribeth thus
    On 08/05/2023 11:36, charles wrote:
    I watched, at home, from Crystal Palace. and didn't notice anything amiss. >>

    It so happened that my wife and I were on a cruise on Coronation Day, so
    we watched the events (from the BBC feed) in appalling picture quality
    (*) on the TV in our cabin, as the ship made its merry way between
    Germany and Finland.

    I wasn't aware of any sound or picture dropouts - and I was expecting
    them if the ship happened to roll and its satellite dish servo couldn't
    track the geostationary satellite perfectly.

    (*) Probably due to the ship's dire analogue cable feed to the cabins -
    multipath ghosting, random fluttering, nasty clipping of highlights...
    on locally-generated signals as well as those received by satellite.


    Very authentic, Probably a bit like what the viewers saw at Queen Liz's crowning!!

    At least I was seeing it in colour.


    I saw a documentary from about 10 years ago about Liz's coronation, and
    the head of OB (now a very old man) was describing the restrictions that
    had been placed on him by the "man from the Palace" who sounded a right
    pompous killjoy. The BBC were ordered only to use wide shots. "Bugger
    that for a game of soldiers", the BBC OB man thought, and he sneaked in
    a few long lenses and surreptitiously fitted them to the turrets of some
    of the cameras - and so were able to show close-ups that the Palace man
    had banned him from doing. By the time it was broadcast, it was too
    late, wasn't it?

    I was surprised that even in 2023, we were not allowed to know what the annointing ceremony involves. Apparently at the time of Liz's
    coronation, the BBC were intending to show actors portraying what the Archbishop was doing to the Queen (oooo Matronnnnnnnn) to fill in the
    dead air while the privacy screens were drawn, but even *that* was
    forbidden.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Sun May 21 11:09:39 2023
    On 21/05/2023 01:49, NY wrote:

    I saw a documentary from about 10 years ago about Liz's coronation, and
    the head of OB (now a very old man) was describing the restrictions that
    had been placed on him by the "man from the Palace" who sounded a right pompous killjoy. The BBC were ordered only to use wide shots. "Bugger
    that for a game of soldiers", the BBC OB man thought, and he sneaked in
    a few long lenses and surreptitiously fitted them to the turrets of some
    of the cameras - and so were able to show close-ups that the Palace man
    had banned him from doing. By the time it was broadcast, it was too
    late, wasn't it?

    I was surprised that even in 2023, we were not allowed to know what the annointing ceremony involves. Apparently at the time of Liz's
    coronation, the BBC were intending to show actors portraying what the Archbishop was doing to the Queen (oooo Matronnnnnnnn) to fill in the
    dead air while the privacy screens were drawn, but even *that* was
    forbidden.

    We *are* allowed to know, and were told what the anointing involved. We
    just weren't allowed to see it on our TV screens. There are lots of
    things like that.

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    Max Demian

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