• What is spacial audio?

    From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 10:34:19 2023
    When I play tracks on Amazon in the last day or so it claims to support
    special audio. Having played a few of their play, about the only thing I
    hear different to the original tracks is a vague out of phase reverb. This reminds me of the old Quadraphonic recordings they used to put out in QS,
    which as far as I could deduce was a matrix that used partial separation for rear speakers. Sometimes it was OK, sometimes dire.
    The only true surround at the time was CD4, which used special cartridges
    and styli, and the records owre out and became noisy with dropout after a while.
    So is this yet another Matrix like the BBC HJ which was quite good at ambience, or is it just another con to get us to buy more kit. To me the
    only worthwhile thing if you have the space is Dolby Atmos or the true surround formats.
    I must try rigging up an old hafler design in here and see if that works.
    I do wish though, that the tracks used by the demo had some realistic
    dynamic range and did not sound like Radio 1 on a bad day. There really is
    no need to make the quiet parts nearly as loud as the loudest parts with
    days high quality kit.
    Brian

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  • From Unsteadyken@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 2 11:26:41 2023
    In article <u2qleu$mp0a$1@dont-email.me>,

    Brian Gaff says...

    The only true surround at the time was CD4,


    Prerecorded quadraphonic open reel tapes were available and several manufacturers produced suitiable playback machines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadraphonic_open_reel_tape

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Unsteadyken on Tue May 2 13:17:27 2023
    On 02/05/2023 11:26, Unsteadyken wrote:
    In article <u2qleu$mp0a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Brian Gaff says...

    The only true surround at the time was CD4,


    Prerecorded quadraphonic open reel tapes were available and several manufacturers produced suitiable playback machines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadraphonic_open_reel_tape

    They did produce a quadrophonic (4 tracks in each direction) cassette
    recorder when quad was the in thing. I don't know how good it was.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed May 3 09:52:15 2023
    Yes but what is this spacial audio. Is it effectively what we used to do
    with analogue, ie the old stereo width anti phase system. It widens and
    makes better use of the inbuilt acoustic reverb. I thought everything was digital these days with a kind of object orientated mixing system.
    Brian

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    On 02/05/2023 11:26, Unsteadyken wrote:
    In article <u2qleu$mp0a$1@dont-email.me>,
    Brian Gaff says...

    The only true surround at the time was CD4,


    Prerecorded quadraphonic open reel tapes were available and several
    manufacturers produced suitiable playback machines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadraphonic_open_reel_tape

    They did produce a quadrophonic (4 tracks in each direction) cassette recorder when quad was the in thing. I don't know how good it was.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Unsteadyken on Wed May 3 09:49:08 2023
    Yes Teac had one, the prof version was branded tascam.
    Brian

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    "Unsteadyken" <unsteadyken@gmail.com> wrote in message news:MPG.3ebaf5b7938a7b49897fa@News.Individual.NET...
    In article <u2qleu$mp0a$1@dont-email.me>,

    Brian Gaff says...

    The only true surround at the time was CD4,


    Prerecorded quadraphonic open reel tapes were available and several manufacturers produced suitiable playback machines.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quadraphonic_open_reel_tape

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Wed May 3 11:28:10 2023
    On 03/05/2023 09:52, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Yes but what is this spacial audio. Is it effectively what we used to do
    with analogue, ie the old stereo width anti phase system. It widens and makes better use of the inbuilt acoustic reverb. I thought everything was digital these days with a kind of object orientated mixing system.

    There's also binary stereo. I think that's when you have a dummy head
    with microphones where the ears should be.

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  • From Bing AI@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Wed May 3 11:52:17 2023
    On 02/05/2023 10:34, Brian Gaff wrote:

    When I play tracks on Amazon in the last day or so it claims to support special audio. Having played a few of their play, about the only thing I
    hear different to the original tracks is a vague out of phase reverb. This reminds me of the old Quadraphonic recordings they used to put out in QS, which as far as I could deduce was a matrix that used partial separation for rear speakers. Sometimes it was OK, sometimes dire.

    Spatial audio is an audio experience that simulates a surround-sound
    setup. It is intended to heighten immersion by simulating a
    surround-sound setup. You can use spatial audio to simulate the
    experience using just your headphones. Spatial audio builds upon
    object-based audio and places “audio objects” in 3D space, allowing them
    to move as the listener moves (head tracking) or as a scene plays out
    [1][2].

    [1] https://www.howtogeek.com/764288/what-is-spatial-audio-and-how-does-it-work/ [2] https://www.androidauthority.com/what-is-spatial-audio-3188080/

    It uses a post-production technique that can be applied to any audio
    recording.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed May 3 13:08:04 2023
    Max Demian wrote:

    There's also binary stereo.

    Binaural rather than binary?

    I think that's when you have a dummy head
    with microphones where the ears should be.

    My old maths teacher had such a head/mics/reel-to-reel setup at his
    home, he demonstrated him walking up the creaky stairs vs a recording of
    the same, it was very convincing.

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  • From Ashley Booth@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu May 4 07:28:20 2023
    Andy Burns wrote:

    Max Demian wrote:

    There's also binary stereo.

    Binaural rather than binary?

    I think that's when you have a dummy head with microphones where
    the ears should be.

    My old maths teacher had such a head/mics/reel-to-reel setup at his
    home, he demonstrated him walking up the creaky stairs vs a recording
    of the same, it was very convincing.

    Sennheiser made a binaural mic. I still have a demo recording made with
    them. It works best with 'open-air' headphones such as the HD414.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Ashley Booth on Thu May 4 10:05:22 2023
    Ashley Booth wrote:

    Sennheiser made a binaural mic. I still have a demo recording made with
    them. It works best with 'open-air' headphones such as the HD414.

    I wish I knew were mine are, I put them somewhere 'safe' after the foams disintegrated ...

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Bing AI on Thu May 4 11:56:10 2023
    Well, I can do that with just phase relationships between channels its been around analogue wise for years.
    Brian

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    On 02/05/2023 10:34, Brian Gaff wrote:

    When I play tracks on Amazon in the last day or so it claims to support
    special audio. Having played a few of their play, about the only thing I
    hear different to the original tracks is a vague out of phase reverb.
    This
    reminds me of the old Quadraphonic recordings they used to put out in QS,
    which as far as I could deduce was a matrix that used partial separation
    for
    rear speakers. Sometimes it was OK, sometimes dire.

    Spatial audio is an audio experience that simulates a surround-sound
    setup. It is intended to heighten immersion by simulating a surround-sound setup. You can use spatial audio to simulate the experience using just
    your headphones. Spatial audio builds upon object-based audio and places "audio objects" in 3D space, allowing them to move as the listener moves (head tracking) or as a scene plays out [1][2].

    [1] https://www.howtogeek.com/764288/what-is-spatial-audio-and-how-does-it-work/ [2] https://www.androidauthority.com/what-is-spatial-audio-3188080/

    It uses a post-production technique that can be applied to any audio recording.

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