On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:10:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:Caldbeck carries 11 Muxes, England PSB x 3, Scotland PSB x 3, COM 4, 5
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!Can this be done? As far as I can see, all the transmitters are in
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish
Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
England. They could build a new transmitter, I suppose, but what
would stop the lieges using their existing aerials to receive the
present service? Could they make the English transmitters more
directional (at the cost of the Scottish Government I hope) and could
this be overcome by a bigger aerial?
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish >Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
On 07/03/2023 11:55, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:10:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:Caldbeck carries 11 Muxes, England PSB x 3, Scotland PSB x 3, COM 4, 5
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!Can this be done? As far as I can see, all the transmitters are in
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish
Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
England. They could build a new transmitter, I suppose, but what
would stop the lieges using their existing aerials to receive the
present service? Could they make the English transmitters more
directional (at the cost of the Scottish Government I hope) and could
this be overcome by a bigger aerial?
and 6 (plus the Carlisle local mux on two separate frequencies)
BBC Scottish channels are carried on the relevant Scottish PSB 1 and 3 >channels. Border Scotland is carried on PSB 2, and Granada HD on PSB 3
Border TV (or what's left of it) is operated by ITV Ltd. Ofcom could
remove the licence that covers Scotland and hand it to STV.
Or ITV might end up buying STV at some point anyway.
STV won't want to have the Border region bolted on. Sparsely populated,
and therefore expensive to provide news coverage to, and no significant
ad revenue to be gained.
A more realistic hope is ITV buy STV, and carry on with the present
Border Scotland sub region as an opt out from Glasgow, (rather than >Newcastle)
A more realistic hope is ITV buy STV, and carry on with the present
Border Scotland sub region as an opt out from Glasgow, (rather than Newcastle)
On 07/03/2023 12:06, Mark Carver wrote:
A more realistic hope is ITV buy STV, and carry on with the present
Border Scotland sub region as an opt out from Glasgow, (rather than
Newcastle)
I never understood why ITV (and its regions) split into three companies:
ITV (for England and Wales). STV (for Scotland) and UTV (for Northern Ireland).
The whole status of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a mess:
either they should be completely independent of England or they should
be completely unified as the UK, not half-and-half.
On 07/03/2023 12:06, Mark Carver wrote:
A more realistic hope is ITV buy STV, and carry on with the present
Border Scotland sub region as an opt out from Glasgow, (rather than
Newcastle)
I never understood why ITV (and its regions) split into three companies:
ITV (for England and Wales). STV (for Scotland) and UTV (for Northern >Ireland).
The whole status of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a mess:
either they should be completely independent of England or they should
be completely unified as the UK, not half-and-half.
In article <k6qv11F17rtU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/03/2023 19:02, NY wrote:and, if I rememeber correctly, TWW was "Wales & West (of England)". It
On 07/03/2023 12:06, Mark Carver wrote:Because the ITA didn't (with the obvious exception of Northern Ireland)
A more realistic hope is ITV buy STV, and carry on with the presentI never understood why ITV (and its regions) split into three
Border Scotland sub region as an opt out from Glasgow, (rather than
Newcastle)
companies: ITV (for England and Wales). STV (for Scotland) and UTV
(for Northern Ireland).
The whole status of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a mess:
either they should be completely independent of England or they should
be completely unified as the UK, not half-and-half.
create any 'nation-regions'. The regions were based upon optimum VHF
transmitter coverage, (max coverage from minimum sites) so odd ball
regions such as Border ended up being created
Remember also Wales was originally served by two ITV companies (TWW for
South Wales, and Teledu Cymru for west and north wales)if
wasn't exclusively Welsh.
On 07/03/2023 12:06, Mark Carver wrote:
A more realistic hope is ITV buy STV, and carry on with the present
Border Scotland sub region as an opt out from Glasgow, (rather than
Newcastle)
I never understood why ITV (and its regions) split into three
companies: ITV (for England and Wales). STV (for Scotland) and UTV
(for Northern Ireland).
The whole status of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a mess:
either they should be completely independent of England or they should
be completely unified as the UK, not half-and-half.
On 07/03/2023 19:02, NY wrote:
On 07/03/2023 12:06, Mark Carver wrote:
A more realistic hope is ITV buy STV, and carry on with the present
Border Scotland sub region as an opt out from Glasgow, (rather than
Newcastle)
I never understood why ITV (and its regions) split into three
companies: ITV (for England and Wales). STV (for Scotland) and UTV
(for Northern Ireland).
The whole status of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland is a mess:
either they should be completely independent of England or they should
be completely unified as the UK, not half-and-half.
Because the ITA didn't (with the obvious exception of Northern Ireland) create any 'nation-regions'. The regions were based upon optimum VHF transmitter coverage, (max coverage from minimum sites) so odd ball
regions such as Border ended up being created
Remember also Wales was originally served by two ITV companies (TWW for
South Wales, and Teledu Cymru for west and north wales)if
and, if I rememeber correctly, TWW was "Wales & West (of England)". It
wasn't exclusively Welsh.
Which brings us full circle with the idea that Caldbeck could end transmitting two competing 'ITV' companies, STV and ITV, which is why I
think nothing will happen regarding the SNP's wishes.
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish
Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
On 08/03/2023 08:58, charles wrote:
and, if I rememeber correctly, TWW was "Wales & West (of England)". It wasn't exclusively Welsh.
And most people in North Wales watched Granada!
When I was at university, a friend tried to find out how many watched
(and listened to) the Welsh services. The BBC claimed to have no
figures which was obviously a lie.
So he did some research of his own, he went into W. H. Smith and asked
how many copies of the two versions of Radio Times were sold.
Unsurprisingly, most were the North of England issue!
On 08/03/2023 08:58, charles wrote:
and, if I rememeber correctly, TWW was "Wales & West (of England)". It
wasn't exclusively Welsh.
And most people in North Wales watched Granada!
On 08/03/2023 08:58, charles wrote:
and, if I rememeber correctly, TWW was "Wales & West (of England)". It wasn't exclusively Welsh.
And most people in North Wales watched Granada!
When I was at university, a friend tried to find out how many watched
(and listened to) the Welsh services. The BBC claimed to have no
figures which was obviously a lie.
On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:10:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:I wouldn't have thought so. Border have had a Scottish sub-opt for about
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!I watched part of the SNP leadership debate last night. I make no
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish
Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
political comment, but others are free to do so should they wish.
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England?
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish >Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 13:11:02 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:10:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:I wouldn't have thought so. Border have had a Scottish sub-opt for about
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!I watched part of the SNP leadership debate last night. I make no
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more
Tory voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive
Scottish
Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
political comment, but others are free to do so should they wish.
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England?
25 years, primarily to allow them to carry STV programmes of 'national' interest.
Border Scotland is carried by Selkirk and all its relays, and on the >previously mentioned PSB 2 Scotland Mux from Caldbeck (plus all Caldbeck
relays that are in Scotland)
Does this mean a transfer of the Scottish Borders region to STV would be technically feasible, if not commercially beneficially? So to a degree
the politicians could be right?
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:
On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:10:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:I wouldn't have thought so. Border have had a Scottish sub-opt for about
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!I watched part of the SNP leadership debate last night. I make no
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish
Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
political comment, but others are free to do so should they wish.
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England?
25 years, primarily to allow them to carry STV programmes of 'national' >interest.
Border Scotland is carried by Selkirk and all its relays, and on the >previously mentioned PSB 2 Scotland Mux from Caldbeck (plus all Caldbeck >relays that are in Scotland)
On 08/03/2023 18:56, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 13:11:02 +0000, Mark CarverIt's technically very feasible. Could be done overnight. I've already >outlined the commercial issues however
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:Does this mean a transfer of the Scottish Borders region to STV would
On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:10:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:I wouldn't have thought so. Border have had a Scottish sub-opt for about >>> 25 years, primarily to allow them to carry STV programmes of 'national'
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!I watched part of the SNP leadership debate last night. I make no
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory >>>>> voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question >>>> >from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish >>>>> Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
political comment, but others are free to do so should they wish.
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England?
interest.
Border Scotland is carried by Selkirk and all its relays, and on the
previously mentioned PSB 2 Scotland Mux from Caldbeck (plus all Caldbeck >>> relays that are in Scotland)
be technically feasible, if not commercially beneficially? So to a
degree the politicians could be right?
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 13:11:02 +0000, Mark CarverIt's technically very feasible. Could be done overnight. I've already
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:Does this mean a transfer of the Scottish Borders region to STV would
On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 23:10:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:I wouldn't have thought so. Border have had a Scottish sub-opt for about
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!I watched part of the SNP leadership debate last night. I make no
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory >>>> voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question
from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish >>>> Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
political comment, but others are free to do so should they wish.
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England?
25 years, primarily to allow them to carry STV programmes of 'national'
interest.
Border Scotland is carried by Selkirk and all its relays, and on the
previously mentioned PSB 2 Scotland Mux from Caldbeck (plus all Caldbeck
relays that are in Scotland)
be technically feasible, if not commercially beneficially? So to a
degree the politicians could be right?
On 08/03/2023 08:58, charles wrote:
and, if I rememeber correctly, TWW was "Wales & West (of England)". It wasn't exclusively Welsh.And most people in North Wales watched Granada!
In the coastal areas of N Wales there are a few relays transmitters which seem to be more political than necessary. Very few aerials point at them. Wherever possible people seem to prefer Winter Hill.
On 10/03/2023 03:18, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:
In the coastal areas of N Wales there are a few relays transmitters
which seem to be more political than necessary. Very few aerials point
at them. Wherever possible people seem to prefer Winter Hill.
Charles will know better but I think the criterion was 200 viewers, some relays are there to provide a feed to another relay so there could be
one in the hills where people cannot receive Winter Hill that needed a
feed.
The target figure also does not include temporary viewers during the
holiday period.
There were certainly political factors, it was usually said that Pontop
Pike Band I was prioritised because the PMG's constituency was in the
area.
There were various claims made about why Kinlochleven had a Band I relay
with only a small number of viewers.
But people always love conspiracy theories.
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England? Political decision on
the part of STV perhaps with a bit of negotiation with ITV.
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England? Political decision on
the part of STV perhaps with a bit of negotiation with ITV.
Reminds me somewhat of Welsh Party Political Broadcasts on BBC English transmitters way back. Especially nicking Wenvoe Ch 5 for the purpose.
There was some sense, admittedly, before Ch 13 commenced, but it still continued even after UHF transmitters were on air, provoking
complaints from English viewers.
Some programmes were even broadcast on CP, officially because there
were a lot of Welsh people living in London. It made me wonder whether
they were also transmitted in the South of Spain, or even Patagonia.
On 13/03/2023 21:18, Chris Youlden wrote:
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was being
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England? Political decision on
the part of STV perhaps with a bit of negotiation with ITV.
Reminds me somewhat of Welsh Party Political Broadcasts on BBC English transmitters way back. Especially nicking Wenvoe Ch 5 for the purpose. There was some sense, admittedly, before Ch 13 commenced, but it still continued even after UHF transmitters were on air, provoking
complaints from English viewers.
Some programmes were even broadcast on CP, officially because there
were a lot of Welsh people living in London. It made me wonder whether
they were also transmitted in the South of Spain, or even Patagonia.
I do remember the lunchtime BBC Wales programmes on
CP/Rowridge/Hannington.
The London announcer would say....'the following programme is on English transmitters only', there'd be a splat, and up would pop the BBC Cymru
Wales globe, and a Welsh announcer's voice. Because of rights issues
those programmes were not shown in Wales, so I think in Wales they were treated to the test card ?
I remember them in the 405 days. They were shown in Wales as well as Sutton and Emley, because of their coverage in Wales and, of course, CP for the ex-pats.
After the move to UHF, they used to put a temporary OB link from
Manchester to Moel y Parc, just so BBC2 viewers in North Wales would not
miss the five minute Plaid Cymru Party Electoral / Political Broadcast!
In article <k7as16Ff8h1U1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/03/2023 21:18, Chris Youlden wrote:I remember them in the 405 days. They were shown in Wales as well as Sutton and Emley, because of their coverage in Wales and, of course, CP for the ex-pats.
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:I do remember the lunchtime BBC Wales programmes on
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was beingReminds me somewhat of Welsh Party Political Broadcasts on BBC English
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England? Political decision on
the part of STV perhaps with a bit of negotiation with ITV.
transmitters way back. Especially nicking Wenvoe Ch 5 for the purpose.
There was some sense, admittedly, before Ch 13 commenced, but it still
continued even after UHF transmitters were on air, provoking
complaints from English viewers.
Some programmes were even broadcast on CP, officially because there
were a lot of Welsh people living in London. It made me wonder whether
they were also transmitted in the South of Spain, or even Patagonia.
CP/Rowridge/Hannington.
The London announcer would say....'the following programme is on English
transmitters only', there'd be a splat, and up would pop the BBC Cymru
Wales globe, and a Welsh announcer's voice. Because of rights issues
those programmes were not shown in Wales, so I think in Wales they were
treated to the test card ?
On 14/03/2023 10:12, charles wrote:
I remember them in the 405 days. They were shown in Wales as well as
Sutton
and Emley, because of their coverage in Wales and, of course, CP for the
ex-pats.
After the move to UHF, they used to put a temporary OB link from
Manchester to Moel y Parc, just so BBC2 viewers in North Wales would
not miss the five minute Plaid Cymru Party Electoral / Political
Broadcast!
On 14/03/2023 10:12, charles wrote:
In article <k7as16Ff8h1U1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 13/03/2023 21:18, Chris Youlden wrote:I remember them in the 405 days. They were shown in Wales as well as
On 08/03/2023 13:04, Scott wrote:I do remember the lunchtime BBC Wales programmes on
However, I noticed that the presenter said the programme was beingReminds me somewhat of Welsh Party Political Broadcasts on BBC
broadcast on STV and ITV Border. I assume this meant the entire
Border region, including viewers in England? Political decision on
the part of STV perhaps with a bit of negotiation with ITV.
English transmitters way back. Especially nicking Wenvoe Ch 5 for the
purpose. There was some sense, admittedly, before Ch 13 commenced,
but it still continued even after UHF transmitters were on air,
provoking complaints from English viewers.
Some programmes were even broadcast on CP, officially because there
were a lot of Welsh people living in London. It made me wonder
whether they were also transmitted in the South of Spain, or even
Patagonia.
CP/Rowridge/Hannington. The London announcer would say....'the
following programme is on English transmitters only', there'd be a
splat, and up would pop the BBC Cymru Wales globe, and a Welsh
announcer's voice. Because of rights issues those programmes were not
shown in Wales, so I think in Wales they were treated to the test card
?
Sutton and Emley, because of their coverage in Wales and, of course, CP
for the ex-pats.
You mean Holme Moss, rather than Emley of course ? ;-)
I think BBC 2Â M-y-P was RBL Winter Hill for quite some time in the 70s
? Wasn't there also a RBL receiver at Gt Orme Head that then gave
Llandonna an SHF feed of BBC 2 Winter Hill ?
On 14/03/2023 14:09, MB wrote:
On 14/03/2023 11:01, Mark Carver wrote:I can remember in 1980, and the regional news being transferred to BBC 2
I think BBC 2 M-y-P was RBL Winter Hill for quite some time in the 70s
? Wasn't there also a RBL receiver at Gt Orme Head that then gave
Llandonna an SHF feed of BBC 2 Winter Hill ?
For the Investiture they put a 200 watt TWT at Great Orme and could
feed direct to Winter Hill if necessary - it was very much belt and
braces and a piece of string in case the nationalists sabotaged anything!
Though the only sabotage was an Eagle Tower that someone guyed to one
of the OB Land Rovers which drove off pulling it over.
What amused me most about the PPB/PEB OB was that they put a switch in
the input to the BBC2 transmitter for it. The man from OBs was going
to come back next day to remove the switch because there was a slight
break as the U-Link was put back.
for the duration of the Olympics (see, this 'it must be on BBC 1'
culture involving sport is far from a new thing)
Anyway, BBC Southampton wasn't equipped to routinely opt out on BBC 2,
just before and just after the news, both BBC 1 and 2 would go to 'non
sync' black (with RBS switching thrashing about) where someone was
clearly re-patching the Tx chains.
Class !
On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 14:19:22 +0000, Mark CarverAll they did in Scotland, was to reassign the pres suite and tx chain
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 14/03/2023 14:09, MB wrote:I assume this cannot now happen. Here at least, there is no BBC Two
On 14/03/2023 11:01, Mark Carver wrote:I can remember in 1980, and the regional news being transferred to BBC 2
I think BBC 2Â M-y-P was RBL Winter Hill for quite some time in the 70s >>>> ? Wasn't there also a RBL receiver at Gt Orme Head that then gave
Llandonna an SHF feed of BBC 2 Winter Hill ?
For the Investiture they put a 200 watt TWT at Great Orme and could
feed direct to Winter Hill if necessary - it was very much belt and
braces and a piece of string in case the nationalists sabotaged anything! >>>
Though the only sabotage was an Eagle Tower that someone guyed to one
of the OB Land Rovers which drove off pulling it over.
What amused me most about the PPB/PEB OB was that they put a switch in
the input to the BBC2 transmitter for it. The man from OBs was going
to come back next day to remove the switch because there was a slight
break as the U-Link was put back.
for the duration of the Olympics (see, this 'it must be on BBC 1'
culture involving sport is far from a new thing)
Anyway, BBC Southampton wasn't equipped to routinely opt out on BBC 2,
just before and just after the news, both BBC 1 and 2 would go to 'non
sync' black (with RBS switching thrashing about) where someone was
clearly re-patching the Tx chains.
Class !
Scotland so I assume it is no longer possible for Reporting Scotland
to be transferred to BBC Two during Wimbledon, the World Cup, the
Olympic Games or any other sporting event.
On 14/03/2023 11:01, Mark Carver wrote:
I think BBC 2Â M-y-P was RBL Winter Hill for quite some time in the 70s
? Wasn't there also a RBL receiver at Gt Orme Head that then gave
Llandonna an SHF feed of BBC 2 Winter Hill ?
For the Investiture they put a 200 watt TWT at Great Orme and could
feed direct to Winter Hill if necessary - it was very much belt and
braces and a piece of string in case the nationalists sabotaged anything!
Though the only sabotage was an Eagle Tower that someone guyed to one
of the OB Land Rovers which drove off pulling it over.
What amused me most about the PPB/PEB OB was that they put a switch in
the input to the BBC2 transmitter for it. The man from OBs was going
to come back next day to remove the switch because there was a slight
break as the U-Link was put back.
All they did in Scotland, was to reassign the pres suite and tx chain
that carried BBC 2 to carry the BBC Scotland Channel instead, so they
can always bounce Reporting Scotland to the BBC Scotland Channel if they
are so inclined.
On 14/03/2023 11:01, Mark Carver wrote:
I think BBC 2 M-y-P was RBL Winter Hill for quite some time in the 70s
? Wasn't there also a RBL receiver at Gt Orme Head that then gave
Llandonna an SHF feed of BBC 2 Winter Hill ?
For the Investiture they put a 200 watt TWT at Great Orme and could feed direct to Winter Hill if necessary - it was very much belt and braces
and a piece of string in case the nationalists sabotaged anything!
In article <k7as16Ff8h1U1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I do remember the lunchtime BBC Wales programmes on
CP/Rowridge/Hannington.
The London announcer would say....'the following programme is on English
transmitters only', there'd be a splat, and up would pop the BBC Cymru
Wales globe, and a Welsh announcer's voice. Because of rights issues
those programmes were not shown in Wales, so I think in Wales they were
treated to the test card ?
I remember them in the 405 days. They were shown in Wales as well as Sutton and Emley, because of their coverage in Wales and, of course, CP for the ex-pats.
The SNP want to inflict STV on them!
"Ash Regan claims that having no STV in the Borders leads to more Tory
voters
The SNP leadership candidate made the claim in response to a question from the hustings audience in Dumfries who said that positive Scottish
Governments news did not get shown on ITV Borders."
Eh? Surely, in today's world its all only a click away.
Eh? Surely, in today's world its all only a click away.
You can lead a horse to water...etc.
Bring back the test card.
Brian
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