• Wireless in Manchester in 1922

    From MB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 13:54:55 2023
    There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
    Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.

    It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.

    Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
    next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.

    Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
    his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.

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  • From wrightsaerials@f2s.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 07:55:06 2023
    On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 13:54:55 UTC, MB wrote:
    There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
    Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.

    It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.

    Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
    next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.

    Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
    his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.
    Let's have a link then.
    Bill

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 09:26:25 2023
    That is a little odd, unless it was testing for clear frequencies of course.
    Incidentally when did Wireless become Radio.
    I remember when I was young my Grandma had a wireless and the dial had cool sounding stations on it like Hilversham and Athlone and of course light programme and Home Service etc.
    Not terribly accurate dials, but then there presumably had not been much about when it was made. The chassis was live, there was a huge dropper resistor in the back that eventually made the bakelite in the top go dome shaped, and the loudspeaker was energised by DC and apparently doubled as a choke in the power supply. The aerial was isolated by a capacitor and was
    just a banana socket, though the set had an internal frame aerial, IE the
    main RF coil was wound around just inside the case at the back.
    OK it was crude, but it worked and also kept the room warm.

    These came marked with different names, but this one said Bush on it. I
    also saw some with shop names over the years like Ketts. I imaging it was
    that eras version of badge engineering.
    It was the same with Reel to reel tape machines. The same two valve pcb and bsr deck was in most of them either with a magic eye or flashing neon level indicator. All eventually needed the record play switch replacing as they carbonised with the result that the machine would suddenly go into erase
    mode as the carbonised bit conducted. Yes the same part of the circuit
    doubles as a playback amp and an erase and bias oscillator.


    Those were the days, and we worry about dodgy practice causing early
    failures now, it was the same back then, save a few pence on a cheaper
    switch wafer.
    Brian

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    On Friday, 3 March 2023 at 13:54:55 UTC, MB wrote:
    There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
    Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.

    It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.

    Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
    next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.

    Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
    his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.
    Let's have a link then.
    Bill

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Mar 4 10:27:07 2023
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History
    Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.

    It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.

    Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is on 450 metres,
    next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.

    Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and
    his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.

    According to Robert Wood in "A World in Your Ear", the broadcasts in
    Manchester began in 1922 in the Metropolitain-Vickers studios at
    Trafford Park. They moved to Dickenson Street in 1923 but were limited
    by the Post Office to three half-hour broadcasts per day.

    He doesn't mention the wavelengths, but the transmitters were fairly
    stable by then, especially as a drifting transmitter could have
    interfered with shipping or caused a bit of international friction.
    Most people were using crystal sets, so they just tuned for maximum
    signal - there was usually only station they could hear.



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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Mar 4 10:27:06 2023
    Brian Gaff <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    [...]
    I remember when I was young my Grandma had a wireless and the dial had cool sounding stations on it like Hilversham and Athlone and of course light programme and Home Service etc.
    Not terribly accurate dials, but then there presumably had not been much about when it was made.

    By the1950s, the wavebands were horribly congested and after dark the
    medium wave band became almost unusable except for a few local stations.
    The sparsity of dial markings was because most users only listened to a
    couple of stations, by then the thrill of hearing foreign broadcasts was
    long gone.

    [...]
    These came marked with different names, but this one said Bush on it. I also saw some with shop names over the years like Ketts. I imaging it was that eras version of badge engineering.

    In general Bush didn't go in for much badge engineering but perhaps
    local dealers put their names on Bush products (Bush was part of Gaumont-British and had a factory at Shepherds Bush - hence the name.)

    It was the same with Reel to reel tape machines. The same two valve pcb and bsr deck was in most of them ...

    This was usually a BSR TD2 deck, a very clever piece of economical
    engineering. The later TD10, a three-speed deck, was streets ahead of
    the more expensive decks in reliability and performance. BSR had a
    reputation for making 'cheap' products, but they were so well designed
    that they could be made with low precision equiment and still work
    amazingly well.

    They never wore out because the designs were so tolerant of
    manufacturing inaccuracies in the first place. In their auto-changers,
    Garrard would use small precision-ground cams and accurate bearings for
    the followers, BSR used a huge die-casting for the cam and a bent steel stamping, pivoting loosely on a pillar, as the follower arm. When new,
    the Garrard was beautifully precise in its operation - but after 5
    years, when it was slightly worn it would need fine adjustment or be too
    far out of tolerance to function. The BSR rattled when new and 20 years
    later it would still rattle just the same - and it would still be
    working.


    ... All eventually needed the record play switch replacing as they
    carbonised with the result that the machine would suddenly go into erase mode as the carbonised bit conducted. Yes the same part of the circuit doubles as a playback amp and an erase and bias oscillator.

    The 'Lane' tape deck was a horror for that. The power resistors for
    balancing the torques on the spool motors were hung directly off the
    paxolin wafers of the Forward-Play-Rewind switch. With the sparks from switching unsuppressed inductive loads and the heat from the resistors,
    the wafers soon tracked over. The brakes were paxolin wedges and when
    they became worn the 'servo' acttion turned into a solid jamming action
    which stopped the trailing spool dead and 'bootlaced' the tape before
    snapping it. (Brennell used the same system and had the same problem.)

    Their later product, badged as 'Verdik" was a big improvement and was
    even considered for use by the BBC and EMI.


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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Mar 4 11:43:35 2023
    On 04/03/2023 09:26, Brian Gaff wrote:

    That is a little odd, unless it was testing for clear frequencies of course.
    Incidentally when did Wireless become Radio.

    It's always been radio. I once read an article in an early DIY magazine
    (before people called it that) called Amateur Mechanic, published just
    after WW1. It described various methods of "wireless" communication,
    including ones that involved burying electrodes in the ground (used to communicate between the trenches in WW1 I believe) and also explained
    how to make a *radio* receiver: a crystal set designed to receive Morse
    signals from, e.g. ships on ultra long wave (spark transmitters I suppose).

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  • From Graham.@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Mar 4 23:29:47 2023
    MB <MB@nospam.net> Wrote in message:
    There is an article in the Manchester and Lancashire Family History Society about the start of wireless in Manchester in 1922.It quotes an article in Manchester Evening Chronicle on 17th May 1922.Five programmes aree listed for May 12th 1922. One is
    on 450 metres, next on 400 metres, then 425 metres, 425 metres and last 450 metres.Why the changes in wavelength? Unless it is relying someone's log and his wireless receiver (or the transmitter?) drifted around.

    2ZY from Trafford Park only about 3 miles from here (and there
    decades before I was born).
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