• Ken Bruce

    From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 14:18:29 2023
    I was listening to Greatest Hits Radio the other day, and when Ken goes from BBC, he is taking a short break then going to that station. Of course it has far too many adverts for my liking, but there you are. They guy said he is bringing popmaster with him, so he must own the rights to that.
    I like his sense of humour but cannot stand popmaster, it always sounds so stilted to me.
    Brian

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Feb 17 17:56:38 2023
    On 17/02/2023 14:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I was listening to Greatest Hits Radio the other day, and when Ken goes from BBC, he is taking a short break then going to that station. Of course it has far too many adverts for my liking, but there you are.
    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts

    https://planetradio.co.uk/premium/

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Feb 17 18:27:23 2023
    Mark Carver wrote:

    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts

    https://planetradio.co.uk/premium/

    What do you get instead of adverts?

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  • From Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 17 19:41:00 2023
    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for
    3:99/mth, and have no adverts

    What do you get instead of adverts?

    The same hundred odd records played every few hours, every day, every month.

    Better to spend the money on Amazon Music or Mixcloud.

    Angus

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Fri Feb 17 19:23:22 2023
    On 17/02/2023 18:27, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mark Carver wrote:

    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth,
    and have no adverts

    https://planetradio.co.uk/premium/

    What do you get instead of adverts?

    Another track. I use it on Jazz FM. The only problem is (at least on
    Jazz) the filler tracks are taken from a very small pool, so it can get
    a bit 'samey'.

    GHR has such a small playlist anyway, you may not notice on there !

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Feb 17 22:53:37 2023
    On 17/02/2023 19:23, Mark Carver wrote:
    GHR has such a small playlist anyway, you may not notice on there !


    The commercial radio 'experts' recommend reducing the size of the
    playlist to increase the number of listeners!

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Feb 17 22:52:03 2023
    On 17/02/2023 17:56, Mark Carver wrote:
    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts


    So nearly a third of the cost of the TV Licence for a radio station that
    I do not particularly want to listen to and cannot hear in the car where
    I do a lot of my listening.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sat Feb 18 10:35:49 2023
    On my Samsung TV you get really naff loops of music.
    Brian

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    Mark Carver wrote:

    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts

    https://planetradio.co.uk/premium/

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 10:46:59 2023
    Ah, but Greatest hits seems to be going out of their way to recruit personalities, This and things like popmaster suggest that the tide maybe changing, and an untapped need for personality radio with a bit more variety could be one way to go. Also they did a request show the other day, and actually played what the people wanted instead of the usual, we don't have
    that but here is the usual one by that artist we play.
    For example the only Enya track most of these stations seem to have is
    Orinoco Flow, but they played Anywhere Is, which was a nice change.
    Brian

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    "Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd" <angus@magsys.co.uk> wrote in
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    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for
    3:99/mth, and have no adverts

    What do you get instead of adverts?

    The same hundred odd records played every few hours, every day, every
    month.

    Better to spend the money on Amazon Music or Mixcloud.

    Angus





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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Feb 18 10:49:38 2023
    Its on FM now though.
    One problem with Amazon etc, is that yes, you get the music, but you almost know what is coming next, whereas a good radio station has an amusing
    presenter and plays stuff you have not heard in years. sadly few stations, including the BBC seem to wish to widen their playlists much.
    Brian

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    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:tsp0ei$3odsm$1@dont-email.me...
    On 17/02/2023 17:56, Mark Carver wrote:
    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts


    So nearly a third of the cost of the TV Licence for a radio station that I
    do not particularly want to listen to and cannot hear in the car where I
    do a lot of my listening.



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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 18 10:38:42 2023
    Well, they have increased it recently, since I've heard tracks that none of
    the other gold type stations put out. Byrds 8 miles high, and some different CCR tracks as well. Maybe the presenters are allowed to put a few personal choices in as long as they are in the general ballpark of years.
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k5a2hbFen0nU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 17/02/2023 18:27, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mark Carver wrote:

    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts

    https://planetradio.co.uk/premium/

    What do you get instead of adverts?

    Another track. I use it on Jazz FM. The only problem is (at least on Jazz) the filler tracks are taken from a very small pool, so it can get a bit 'samey'.

    GHR has such a small playlist anyway, you may not notice on there !

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Feb 18 10:42:30 2023
    I don't think that would work, but many have sub divided to 60s 70s etc, and this allows a bit bigger playlist for each one.
    It really depends on the target audience. If it only listens for short periods, then you need to make the playlist small, but if it has intentions
    to have longer term listening habits then there is a case for widening it.
    Many stations kind of wobble about between the two.
    I personally think 1 less heard tune an hour can stimulate new listeners.
    Brian

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    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:tsp0hh$3odsm$2@dont-email.me...
    On 17/02/2023 19:23, Mark Carver wrote:
    GHR has such a small playlist anyway, you may not notice on there !


    The commercial radio 'experts' recommend reducing the size of the playlist
    to increase the number of listeners!



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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 18 10:34:48 2023
    How do they achieve that on live shows. Surely that would leave huge gaps.

    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k59tenFcqk8U5@mid.individual.net...
    On 17/02/2023 14:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I was listening to Greatest Hits Radio the other day, and when Ken goes
    from
    BBC, he is taking a short break then going to that station. Of course it
    has
    far too many adverts for my liking, but there you are.
    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts

    https://planetradio.co.uk/premium/


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  • From Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems L@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 11:35:00 2023
    Ah, but Greatest hits seems to be going out of their way to
    recruit personalities, This and things like popmaster suggest
    that the tide maybe changing, and an untapped need for
    personality radio with a bit more variety could be one way to go.

    I agree, more variety is better, fewer commercials even better.

    I pay Mixcloud to support Soho Radio that I listen to for up to 10 hours a day, wide variety of music and presenters, mostly professional DJs, producers or musicians, most with one show a month, probably don't hear the same song more than once a month, or even less. No commercials or trailers.

    https://sohoradiolondon.com/

    Angus

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Feb 18 11:18:43 2023
    On 18/02/2023 10:46, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Ah, but Greatest hits seems to be going out of their way to recruit personalities


    The equivalent of "cheque-book journalism"?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 18 16:57:46 2023
    On 17/02/2023 22:52, MB wrote:
    On 17/02/2023 17:56, Mark Carver wrote:
    You can sign up to Bauer's premium streaming service for 3:99/mth, and
    have no adverts


    So nearly a third of the cost of the TV Licence for a radio station
    that I do not particularly want to listen to and cannot hear in the
    car where I do a lot of my listening.


    Well, there are an almost infinite number of services that are an even
    larger proportion of the licence fee (some are even bigger), that are
    not mandatory to subscribe to if you don't want them.

    You don't half say some daft things irrelevant things !

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 18 17:51:38 2023
    On 18/02/2023 16:57, Mark Carver wrote:
    Well, there are an almost infinite number of services that are an even
    larger proportion of the licence fee (some are even bigger), that are
    not mandatory to subscribe to if you don't want them.

    You don't half say some daft things irrelevant things !


    I occasionally pass a bit of time looking around on the Roberts Stream
    94i, lots of stations there but rarely listen to any of them for more
    than a few minutes.

    But everyone to their own choice.

    With Ken Bruce going, I suspect will not be listening to Radio 2 much
    from the end of the month. I often now just run 'Dante's Prayer' on
    Repeat in the car.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Feb 24 19:52:29 2023
    He has just Tweeted that his last programme will be next Frriday, he had planned to work until the end of his contract but the BBV want him to
    finish on Friday.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Fri Feb 24 21:50:15 2023
    On Fri, 24 Feb 2023 19:52:29 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    He has just Tweeted that his last programme will be next Frriday, he had >planned to work until the end of his contract but the BBV want him to
    finish on Friday.

    Is this to create a gap between his last show at the BBC and his
    starting at Bauer in the hope of reducing the number of listeners
    following him?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Feb 24 22:02:34 2023
    On 24/02/2023 21:50, Scott wrote:
    Is this to create a gap between his last show at the BBC and his
    starting at Bauer in the hope of reducing the number of listeners
    following him?


    Surprised they have not removed him immediately, why let him spend a few
    weeks promoting a different radio station?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 25 08:55:50 2023
    On 24/02/2023 22:02, MB wrote:
    On 24/02/2023 21:50, Scott wrote:
    Is this to create a gap between his last show at the BBC and his
    starting at Bauer in the hope of reducing the number of listeners
    following him?


    Surprised they have not removed him immediately, why let him spend a
    few weeks promoting a different radio station?

     Ken Bruce is a consummate professional (a dying breed) He hasn't been,
    nor will be promoting his new job and show on air, on Radio 2. Another
    of your ludicrous assumptions.

    The BBC will have created a one month gap, because Bauer will for sure
    have Ken's face of the side of buses, on TV ads, on billboards etc
    promoting his arrival on April 3rd.
    You can't blame the BBC for putting him on 'gardening leave' during March.

    It's standard practice for any employee in any industry who leaves for a
    direct competitor.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 25 09:19:13 2023
    On 25/02/2023 08:55, Mark Carver wrote:
     Ken Bruce is a consummate professional (a dying breed) He hasn't been, nor will be promoting his new job and show on air, on Radio 2. Another
    of your ludicrous assumptions.

    The BBC will have created a one month gap, because Bauer will for sure
    have Ken's face of the side of buses, on TV ads, on billboards etc
    promoting his arrival on April 3rd.
    You can't blame the BBC for putting him on 'gardening leave' during March.

    It's standard practice for any employee in any industry who leaves for a direct competitor.


    He might not have mentioned it by name but has indirectly talked about,
    hard to avoid doing so.

    Would have been best to take him off air as soon as he announced the move.

    In many jobs, people are escorted off the premises by security staff in
    a similar situation.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Feb 25 10:13:39 2023
    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:19:13 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 25/02/2023 08:55, Mark Carver wrote:
     Ken Bruce is a consummate professional (a dying breed) He hasn't been,
    nor will be promoting his new job and show on air, on Radio 2. Another
    of your ludicrous assumptions.

    The BBC will have created a one month gap, because Bauer will for sure
    have Ken's face of the side of buses, on TV ads, on billboards etc
    promoting his arrival on April 3rd.
    You can't blame the BBC for putting him on 'gardening leave' during March. >>
    It's standard practice for any employee in any industry who leaves for a
    direct competitor.


    He might not have mentioned it by name but has indirectly talked about,
    hard to avoid doing so.

    Would have been best to take him off air as soon as he announced the move.

    In many jobs, people are escorted off the premises by security staff in
    a similar situation.

    Reported at the time to be the case with John Pienaar.

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 25 09:43:51 2023
    MB wrote:

    In many jobs, people are escorted off the premises by security staff in
    a similar situation.

    My fastest hand-over was when, though still quite a junior
    (mid-20s) design engineer, I resigned from GEC traction to take a
    job with Brush Traction, a competitor. Just after lunch, they
    asked me to finish the same day. In reality, I think they
    probably caused themselves more problems than they avoided. :-)

    Chris
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    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Scott on Sat Feb 25 11:27:22 2023
    On 25/02/2023 10:13, Scott wrote:
    Reported at the time to be the case with John Pienaar.


    And of course nowadays, just as important to remove their access to any computer systems immediately.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Feb 25 18:28:38 2023
    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 11:27:22 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 25/02/2023 10:13, Scott wrote:
    Reported at the time to be the case with John Pienaar.

    And of course nowadays, just as important to remove their access to any >computer systems immediately.

    A colleague of my brother's had his security pass revoked at
    lunchtime.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sun Feb 26 09:26:59 2023
    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:19:13 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    In many jobs, people are escorted off the premises by security staff in
    a similar situation.

    I've heard of this. It never happened to me, but if it had it would
    have felt like a monumental insult, effectively a statement from my
    erstwhile employer that they didn't think I was to be trusted. It
    would have made me wonder how they'd been able to trust me during all
    the years I'd been employed, and why they'd thought I was worth
    employing in the first place. It's an appalling way to treat someone
    who has been a loyal employee.

    If the management of modern companies expect all the trust to go one
    way, it makes you wonder how trustworthy they are themselves.

    Rod.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Mon Feb 27 13:49:30 2023
    On 27/02/2023 13:31, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <bs8mvhdb937je7sihf19ndcfa2p39p49d7@4ax.com>, Roderick
    Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:19:13 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    In many jobs, people are escorted off the premises by security staff in
    a similar situation.
    I've heard of this. It never happened to me, but if it had it would
    have felt like a monumental insult, effectively a statement from my
    erstwhile employer that they didn't think I was to be trusted. It
    would have made me wonder how they'd been able to trust me during all
    the years I'd been employed, and why they'd thought I was worth
    employing in the first place. It's an appalling way to treat someone
    who has been a loyal employee.

    If the management of modern companies expect all the trust to go one
    way, it makes you wonder how trustworthy they are themselves.

    Rod.
    I've heard of this several times over the years, one reason why I've
    been working for myself for the last 30 odd years!

    Never had it done in fact twice they begged me to stay on after my
    notice date!

    Mind you anyone would have taken the info they needed wouldn't they
    before they decided to go, seen that happen was a case in the papers the other day!...

    I've never seen it happen with my own eyes, but it did happen on a
    couple of a occasions (over 30 years) at a company I worked for.

    Some companies don't allow you to port your mobile phone number and take
    it with you when you leave, for fear of being easily contactable by
    clients.
    In the dept I used to work for in the 00s , we all had sequential mobile numbers, we've all left that company now, but some of us still have
    those original numbers.
    I can still remember the final two digits for all my colleagues at the
    time !

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 27 13:31:38 2023
    In article <bs8mvhdb937je7sihf19ndcfa2p39p49d7@4ax.com>, Roderick
    Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 09:19:13 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    In many jobs, people are escorted off the premises by security staff in
    a similar situation.

    I've heard of this. It never happened to me, but if it had it would
    have felt like a monumental insult, effectively a statement from my
    erstwhile employer that they didn't think I was to be trusted. It
    would have made me wonder how they'd been able to trust me during all
    the years I'd been employed, and why they'd thought I was worth
    employing in the first place. It's an appalling way to treat someone
    who has been a loyal employee.

    If the management of modern companies expect all the trust to go one
    way, it makes you wonder how trustworthy they are themselves.

    Rod.

    I've heard of this several times over the years, one reason why I've
    been working for myself for the last 30 odd years!

    Never had it done in fact twice they begged me to stay on after my
    notice date!

    Mind you anyone would have taken the info they needed wouldn't they
    before they decided to go, seen that happen was a case in the papers the
    other day!...


    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Mon Feb 27 18:12:18 2023
    On 27/02/2023 13:31, tony sayer wrote:
    I've heard of this several times over the years, one reason why I've
    been working for myself for the last 30 odd years!


    A friend in the US told me of getting rid of someone. When they cleared
    his desk, they found some cocaine so had a quiet word with their
    contacts in the police.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Mon Feb 27 18:16:58 2023
    On 27/02/2023 13:31, tony sayer wrote:
    I've heard of this. It never happened to me, but if it had it would
    have felt like a monumental insult, effectively a statement from my
    erstwhile employer that they didn't think I was to be trusted.


    The day I retired, I was on my own all day so locked up and passed the
    keys to someone the following week!

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Feb 27 21:17:04 2023
    On Mon, 27 Feb 2023 18:12:18 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 27/02/2023 13:31, tony sayer wrote:
    I've heard of this several times over the years, one reason why I've
    been working for myself for the last 30 odd years!

    A friend in the US told me of getting rid of someone. When they cleared
    his desk, they found some cocaine so had a quiet word with their
    contacts in the police.

    I tried sniffing coke once but the bubbles kept getting up my nose.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Tue Feb 28 09:12:33 2023
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 27/02/2023 13:31, tony sayer wrote:
    I've heard of this. It never happened to me, but if it had it would
    have felt like a monumental insult, effectively a statement from my erstwhile employer that they didn't think I was to be trusted.


    The day I retired, I was on my own all day so locked up and passed the
    keys to someone the following week!

    When I was made redundant I was allowed a month to clear my workshop (in
    my own time). Most of the decent equipment was my own that I had loaned
    to my employer over the years to get the job done, the rest I bought
    from my employer for a couple of hundred pounds. I'm still using most
    of it.

    Six months into my new job I was 'loaned' back to my old employer to
    help sort out an external contractor who had taken on one of my jobs and
    had suddenly discovered he had bitten off more than he could chew. I
    don't think he ever got the system working again.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
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    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Tue Feb 28 11:16:58 2023
    On 28/02/2023 09:12, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    Six months into my new job I was 'loaned' back to my old employer to
    help sort out an external contractor who had taken on one of my jobs and
    had suddenly discovered he had bitten off more than he could chew. I
    don't think he ever got the system working again.


    On my last day somewhere, they made me to do a handover of the system
    and its operation to someone that was leaving the following day. I kid
    ye not....

    --
    Adrian C

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Tue Feb 28 12:47:09 2023
    Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:

    On 28/02/2023 09:12, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    Six months into my new job I was 'loaned' back to my old employer to
    help sort out an external contractor who had taken on one of my jobs and had suddenly discovered he had bitten off more than he could chew. I
    don't think he ever got the system working again.


    On my last day somewhere, they made me to do a handover of the system
    and its operation to someone that was leaving the following day. I kid
    ye not....

    I can well believe it.

    About 80% of the job I did was based on biology and the psychology of
    the people using the equipment. The easy 20% was the hardware which
    consisted of cam timers, pneumatic valves, relays and hidden magnetically-latching relays that 'remembered' the sequence of events
    and defeated any attempt to do something stupid that might put the
    animals at risk.

    The management decided that I was too old-fashioned and should have used computer-driven software, so they made me redundant and brought in an
    outside software contractor. He thought he had an easy job, replacing
    each relay, one-for-one with a logic switch ... until he went to
    re-wire the relay panel and found all sorts of hidden interconnections
    whose purpose he didn't understand. I explained to him that these were
    to protect against the stupidity of the management and he had better incorporate similar interlocks in his system, otherwise he was going to
    be held responsible for an awful lot of damage.

    The next surprise was that he had been told that the local switches had
    to be removed and the system would be controlled entirely remotely from
    an office in another building. The girl who cleaned out twice a day
    would have to run up and down to the office 20 times, to operate each
    channel - and she would have to shower and change clothes each time to
    avoid bringing contamination into the building. It turns out the
    management had never asked the cleaning girl what her job involved.

    The point at which he finally gave up all hope was when he asked me
    about the power supply to equipment in a wet room. It was 35 volts,
    two-phase, for reasons of safety; he asked where I bought the
    transformer and I said I had wound it myself - as he would have to do if
    he wanted to power his own equipment in that room.

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Wed Mar 1 16:41:21 2023
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:47:09 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Adrian Caspersz <email@here.invalid> wrote:

    On 28/02/2023 09:12, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    Six months into my new job I was 'loaned' back to my old employer to
    help sort out an external contractor who had taken on one of my jobs and >> > had suddenly discovered he had bitten off more than he could chew. I
    don't think he ever got the system working again.


    On my last day somewhere, they made me to do a handover of the system
    and its operation to someone that was leaving the following day. I kid
    ye not....

    I can well believe it.

    About 80% of the job I did was based on biology and the psychology of
    the people using the equipment. The easy 20% was the hardware which >consisted of cam timers, pneumatic valves, relays and hidden >magnetically-latching relays that 'remembered' the sequence of events
    and defeated any attempt to do something stupid that might put the
    animals at risk.

    The management decided that I was too old-fashioned and should have used >computer-driven software, so they made me redundant and brought in an
    outside software contractor. He thought he had an easy job, replacing
    each relay, one-for-one with a logic switch ... until he went to
    re-wire the relay panel and found all sorts of hidden interconnections
    whose purpose he didn't understand. I explained to him that these were
    to protect against the stupidity of the management and he had better >incorporate similar interlocks in his system, otherwise he was going to
    be held responsible for an awful lot of damage.

    The next surprise was that he had been told that the local switches had
    to be removed and the system would be controlled entirely remotely from
    an office in another building. The girl who cleaned out twice a day
    would have to run up and down to the office 20 times, to operate each
    channel - and she would have to shower and change clothes each time to
    avoid bringing contamination into the building. It turns out the
    management had never asked the cleaning girl what her job involved.

    The point at which he finally gave up all hope was when he asked me
    about the power supply to equipment in a wet room. It was 35 volts, >two-phase, for reasons of safety; he asked where I bought the
    transformer and I said I had wound it myself - as he would have to do if
    he wanted to power his own equipment in that room.

    Did you use any machinery to wind the transformer or was it done by
    hand, which must have taken hours if not days?

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Scott on Wed Mar 1 17:40:08 2023
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:47:09 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
    [...]
    The point at which he finally gave up all hope was when he asked me
    about the power supply to equipment in a wet room. It was 35 volts, >two-phase, for reasons of safety; he asked where I bought the
    transformer and I said I had wound it myself - as he would have to do if
    he wanted to power his own equipment in that room.

    Did you use any machinery to wind the transformer or was it done by
    hand, which must have taken hours if not days?

    I have an AVO hand-operated winding machine with a variable ratio drive
    to a pair of opposite-handed leadscrews; the half-nuts engage
    alternately, to pull the guide fingers across the winding area and back.
    It doesn't take long to wind a mains transformer, but something like a multi-section audio transformer can take a lot longer.

    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Thu Mar 2 14:06:05 2023
    On 01/03/2023 17:40, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Tue, 28 Feb 2023 12:47:09 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    The point at which he finally gave up all hope was when he asked me
    about the power supply to equipment in a wet room. It was 35 volts,
    two-phase, for reasons of safety; he asked where I bought the
    transformer and I said I had wound it myself - as he would have to do if >>> he wanted to power his own equipment in that room.

    Did you use any machinery to wind the transformer or was it done by
    hand, which must have taken hours if not days?

    I have an AVO hand-operated winding machine with a variable ratio drive
    to a pair of opposite-handed leadscrews; the half-nuts engage
    alternately, to pull the guide fingers across the winding area and back.
    It doesn't take long to wind a mains transformer, but something like a multi-section audio transformer can take a lot longer.

    I like to watch the clever machines that wind toroidal inductors (on
    YouTube).

    Actually, I still don't understand how they do it with a transformer
    with the primary and secondaries.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Fri Mar 3 11:00:15 2023
    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 08:55:50 +0000, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    [snip]

    The BBC will have created a one month gap, because Bauer will for sure
    have Ken's face of the side of buses, on TV ads, on billboards etc
    promoting his arrival on April 3rd.
    You can't blame the BBC for putting him on 'gardening leave' during March.

    It's standard practice for any employee in any industry who leaves for a >direct competitor.

    I hear today is Ken's last day, it seems for the reason you stated.

    I see Gary Davies is taking over on an interim basis until Vernon Kay
    starts. If the BBC is concerned about losing audience to GHR, why are
    they not starting with their preferred presenter? Could it be that
    Gary Davies has been told to make a bad job of presenting the show to
    make Vernon Kay look good? How would this work if this antagonises
    the listeners and encourages them to follow Ken to GHR?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Mar 3 11:44:21 2023
    On 03/03/2023 11:00, Scott wrote:
    I see Gary Davies is taking over on an interim basis until Vernon Kay
    starts. If the BBC is concerned about losing audience to GHR, why are
    they not starting with their preferred presenter? Could it be that
    Gary Davies has been told to make a bad job of presenting the show to
    make Vernon Kay look good? How would this work if this antagonises
    the listeners and encourages them to follow Ken to GHR?


    Could just be that Vernon Kay has other commitments?

    Could Gary Davies be any worse than he is already? I switch off as soon
    as he comes on.

    Just charging up my MP3 player as I think it might get more use during
    the day. Wondering about changing my "HiFi" for one with a hard disc so
    I can play own stuff a bit easier rather than using the Roberts radio.

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  • From jon@21:1/5 to Scott on Fri Mar 3 13:45:12 2023
    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 18:28:38 +0000, Scott wrote:

    On Sat, 25 Feb 2023 11:27:22 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 25/02/2023 10:13, Scott wrote:
    Reported at the time to be the case with John Pienaar.

    And of course nowadays, just as important to remove their access to any >>computer systems immediately.

    A colleague of my brother's had his security pass revoked at lunchtime.


    I did the opposite, had a great job offered to me on a Friday night, the condition was, to start on the next Monday morning. So I went into work
    (STC) on Saturday morning, picked up my personal stuff and left passes etc
    and a note on my desk to say I had left.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 10:33:31 2023
    On 06/03/2023 10:31, MB wrote:
    Quite strange having to switch to 6 Music in the morning now.  :-(

    Is it mandatory to do so ?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 10:31:37 2023
    Quite strange having to switch to 6 Music in the morning now. :-(

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Mar 6 14:20:26 2023
    On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 10:31:37 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    Quite strange having to switch to 6 Music in the morning now. :-(

    From 3 April you will be able to switch to Greatest Hits Radio
    instead.

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