Gold is automated except for four hours in the morning (James Bassam
6-10 weekdays and Dave Andrews 8-12 weekends). I wondered whether
there is an Ofcom rule to provide four hours of live broadcasting or
just a commercial decision to boost audiences. I looked at the
public file and Ofcom website but cannot find anything.
Also, does anyone know if the output of the London station on 1548 kHz
is identical to the national DAB multiplex?
I don't think it always is as some commercials differ. I think it needs a >shake up in commercial radio in this country. It all started so well, but >then we got the big media players in buying up the stations for they >frequencies and not really following the spirit of local commercial radio, >just adapting things to employ fewer people with less choice and offering
the bare minimum of differences to get around the rules drafted many years >back.
Trouble is, nobody can make money unless they are big, since the money
grabbing administrators of the frequencies and transmitters have priced the >little operator out of the market.
Is Radio Jackie still independent, and how long for?
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth,
Heart etc as national stations.
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth,
Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also
because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth,
Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also
because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:08:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth,
Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also >because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
Never do I because I can't stand adverts.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 16:58:04 +0000, Mary Wolstenholme
<mary@easynn.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:08:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth,
Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also
because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
Never do I because I can't stand adverts.
Some would say the BBC's repeated trails have the same irritation
value as the adverts.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:08:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth,
Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also >>because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
Never do I because I can't stand adverts.
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 16:58:04 +0000, Mary Wolstenholme
<mary@easynn.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:08:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth,
Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also >>because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
Never do I because I can't stand adverts.
Some would say the BBC's repeated trails have the same irritation
value as the adverts.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 16:58:04 +0000, Mary WolstenholmeWell I wouldn’t. The only commercial station I listen to is Times Radio,
<mary@easynn.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:08:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth, >>>>> Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also
because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
Never do I because I can't stand adverts.
Some would say the BBC's repeated trails have the same irritation
value as the adverts.
and it has reneged on its promise of no adverts. It now has some VERY >irritating adverts (MacDonalds) and the only thing that keeps me listening
is my car has a mute button on the steering wheel. There’s no comparison >between programme trails and adverts.
Global is Europe's largest radio company.
Really, in turns of turnover, number of staff or different automated stations?
I'd guess the BBC is larger in all but total stations, few if any of which are >automated.
Nothing against automation, my favourite background Global station has one >commercial break an hour, but no presenters or trailers.
Global is Europe's largest radio company.
Some would say the BBC's repeated trails have the same irritation
value as the adverts.
Based on what it says in their website. They mention reaching 51.7
million individuals across the UK every week, which suggests the claim
is based on audience figures.
On 31/01/2023 19:57, Scott wrote:
Based on what it says in their website. They mention reaching 51.7
million individuals across the UK every week, which suggests the claim
is based on audience figures.
I suspect there is a bit of creative accountancy going on.
On 31/01/2023 18:34, Scott wrote:
Some would say the BBC's repeated trails have the same irritation
value as the adverts.
They are nowhere near as bad, at least not on TV (I have not heard a
radio advert for years and that was for a reason.
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 31/01/2023 18:34, Scott wrote:
Some would say the BBC's repeated trails have the same irritation
value as the adverts.
They are nowhere near as bad, at least not on TV (I have not heard a
radio advert for years and that was for a reason.
On R4 there are six to eight in every hour - and that isn't counting the >articles and news reports that are nothing more than 'plugs' for
television programmes. They scrabble through weather forecasts, cut >interesting interviews short and take minutes off every programme to
squeeze in as many trails as possible.
The trails are jarring and patronising with jump cuts, loud percussive
music and effects overlays - and the sound is heavily compressed and way >above normal programme levels.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 16:58:04 +0000, Mary WolstenholmeI do !
<mary@easynn.com> wrote:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 15:08:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:Some would say the BBC's repeated trails have the same irritation
On 31/01/2023 12:50, Scott wrote:Never do I because I can't stand adverts.
Do you think there is an argument for redefining the likes of Smooth, >>>>> Heart etc as national stations.
Never heard to them because of their lack of coverage partly and also
because I never listen to commercial radio anyway. :-)
value as the adverts.
On 01/02/2023 09:35, Scott wrote:
I agree. I have just been listening to 'More or Less' on Radio 4. I
would be interested to know how the number of minutes of trails during
the hour on the BBC compares with the minutes of adverts on commercial
stations.
I never hear any radio adverts but TV adverts tend to be much more
moronic than most trails on BBC TV, some seem to intentionally be
annoying - presumably the 'experts' have told them that people remember
them better but often results in thembeing muted or turned off.
One factor with programme trails, I have often asked people if they had
seen a programme that I thought would interest them and they have said
they did not know it was on and even complained that the BBC did not
inform them!
I agree. I have just been listening to 'More or Less' on Radio 4. I
would be interested to know how the number of minutes of trails during
the hour on the BBC compares with the minutes of adverts on commercial stations.
One factor with programme trails, I have often asked people if they had
seen a programme that I thought would interest them and they have said
they did not know it was on and even complained that the BBC did not
inform them!
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 20:47:37 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 31/01/2023 19:57, Scott wrote:
Based on what it says in their website. They mention reaching 51.7
million individuals across the UK every week,
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:
Global is Europe's largest radio company.
Really, in turns of turnover, number of staff or different
automated stations?
Based on what it says in their website.
They mention reaching 51.7 million individuals across the UK every
week, which suggests the claim is based on audience figures.
Op 31-1-2023 om 20:57 schreef Scott:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:
Global is Europe's largest radio company.
Really, in turns of turnover, number of staff or different
automated stations?
Based on what it says in their website.
I do not see at their website that they are "Europe's largest radio
company".
They mention reaching 51.7 million individuals across the UK every
week, which suggests the claim is based on audience figures.
And that "Reach" = "can receive us".
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:02:12 +0100, Rink
<rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:
Op 31-1-2023 om 20:57 schreef Scott:I suggest you look again, under the word 'radio' where it states:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:
Global is Europe's largest radio company.
Really, in turns of turnover, number of staff or different
automated stations?
Based on what it says in their website.
I do not see at their website that they are "Europe's largest radio
company".
'Europe’s largest radio company, Global is home to the UK’s best-loved radio stations including Heart, Capital, LBC, Capital XTRA, Capital
Dance, Classic FM, Smooth, Radio X and Gold.'
On 01/02/2023 14:02, Rink wrote:
They mention reaching 51.7 million individuals across the UK every
week, which suggests the claim is based on audience figures.
And that "Reach" = "can receive us".I suspect you are correct.
Assuming that 51.7 million is the population of the area covered by
their transmitters. About three quarters of the UK population, and
rather less than half the area of the country.
On 01/02/2023 14:02, Rink wrote:
They mention reaching 51.7 million individuals across the UK every
week, which suggests the claim is based on audience figures.
And that "Reach" = "can receive us".I suspect you are correct.
Assuming that 51.7 million is the population of the area covered by
their transmitters. About three quarters of the UK population, and
rather less than half the area of the country.
Why do you watch commercial TV if you object to the adverts to much,
but not listen to commercial radio?
51,7 million individuals ?
Really?
Op 1-2-2023 om 15:14 schreef Scott:
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:02:12 +0100, Rink
<rink.hof.haalditmaarweg@planet.nl> wrote:
Op 31-1-2023 om 20:57 schreef Scott:I suggest you look again, under the word 'radio' where it states:
On Tue, 31 Jan 2023 19:34 +0000 (GMT Standard Time),
angus@magsys.co.uk (Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd) wrote:
Global is Europe's largest radio company.
Really, in turns of turnover, number of staff or different
automated stations?
Based on what it says in their website.
I do not see at their website that they are "Europe's largest radio
company".
'Europe’s largest radio company, Global is home to the UK’s best-loved
radio stations including Heart, Capital, LBC, Capital XTRA, Capital
Dance, Classic FM, Smooth, Radio X and Gold.'
OK, I've read it on
https://global.com/radio/
And there they say they are :
"Entertaining 25.4 million people across the UK every week".
And:
"Our brands include Heart, Capital, LBC, Capital XTRA,
Classic FM, Smooth, Radio X and Gold."
25.4 million is half the number I read before.
And half the number they "reach".
And I see what they mean by "outdoor":
Advertising with Billboards,
which has nothing to do with radio broadcasting.
Still I do not understand where "Europe's largest radio company" is
based on.
It could also be RTL (Germany, France, Belgium, Spain, Luxemburg).
Or a Russian station. There are more then 140 million listeners in Russia. >for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Rossii
On 01/02/2023 11:50, Scott wrote:
Why do you watch commercial TV if you object to the adverts to much,
but not listen to commercial radio?
They do not tend to be as annoying and easier to mute until over.
On 01/02/2023 14:02, Rink wrote:
51,7 million individuals ?
Really?
Just means that in a survey that number of people have said they have
heard the station at some point over the period. They do not need to
have actually listened to a programme.
On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 18:14:20 +0000, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:34:56 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 01/02/2023 14:02, Rink wrote:Well, does it? I thought we had concluded it was the number of people >>capable of receiving the broadcasts [using the term 'broadcast' to
51,7 million individuals ?
Really?
Just means that in a survey that number of people have said they have >>>heard the station at some point over the period. They do not need to >>>have actually listened to a programme.
include online]. .
If you include online in the definition of 'broadcast' then you'd have
to add a caveat of some sort, as the number of people capable of
receiving it would be almost the entire world.
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:34:56 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 01/02/2023 14:02, Rink wrote:Well, does it? I thought we had concluded it was the number of people >capable of receiving the broadcasts [using the term 'broadcast' to
51,7 million individuals ?
Really?
Just means that in a survey that number of people have said they have
heard the station at some point over the period. They do not need to
have actually listened to a programme.
include online]. .
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
[...]
One factor with programme trails, I have often asked people if they had
seen a programme that I thought would interest them and they have said
they did not know it was on and even complained that the BBC did not
inform them!
That is the purpose of service announcements: to *inform* listeners
which programmes they may choose to listen to for some time ahead. The purpose of trails is to *promote* paricular programmes and persuade
listeners to listen to them.
As there are no service announcements any more, I just switch off
whenever a trail comes on and miss a lot of potentially interesting programmes. I I had been *informed* I might have made a point of
listening to them.
--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk
On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:57:07 +0000, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
I was suggesting this probably includes online, smart speaker, phones
etc as obviously Global will be looking for the highest figure..
That's pretty much what I was getting at. If it's a website or online streaming source, even if it's only intended for British listeners,
the number of *potential* listeners is the entire internet.
Don't you feel that most promos are very hard to actually listen to. They
are compressed,a and do not really explain what the show is about,
preferring soundbytes and voxpops that leave most people just dazed.
Brian
On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:57:07 +0000, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:31:17 +0000, Roderick Stewart >><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 18:14:20 +0000, ScottThe website we are discussing specifically refers to the UK. Quote - >>'On-air, on Global Player and outdoor – through these platforms
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:34:56 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 01/02/2023 14:02, Rink wrote:Well, does it? I thought we had concluded it was the number of people >>>>capable of receiving the broadcasts [using the term 'broadcast' to >>>>include online]. .
51,7 million individuals ?
Really?
Just means that in a survey that number of people have said they have >>>>>heard the station at some point over the period. They do not need to >>>>>have actually listened to a programme.
If you include online in the definition of 'broadcast' then you'd have
to add a caveat of some sort, as the number of people capable of >>>receiving it would be almost the entire world.
combined, we entertain and reach 51.7 million individuals across the
UK every week.'
The question we are discussing is how the figure of 51.7 million is >>calculated.
The favourite answer so far is that it is the number of *potential* >>listeners.
I was suggesting this probably includes online, smart speaker, phones
etc as obviously Global will be looking for the highest figure..
That's pretty much what I was getting at. If it's a website or online >streaming source, even if it's only intended for British listeners,
the number of *potential* listeners is the entire internet.
Even if you specify the number of potential British listeners, you'd
need some way of determining which ones they were if you wanted to
make an actual measurement.
On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:31:17 +0000, Roderick Stewart ><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 01 Feb 2023 18:14:20 +0000, ScottThe website we are discussing specifically refers to the UK. Quote - >'On-air, on Global Player and outdoor – through these platforms
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 15:34:56 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 01/02/2023 14:02, Rink wrote:Well, does it? I thought we had concluded it was the number of people >>>capable of receiving the broadcasts [using the term 'broadcast' to >>>include online]. .
51,7 million individuals ?
Really?
Just means that in a survey that number of people have said they have >>>>heard the station at some point over the period. They do not need to >>>>have actually listened to a programme.
If you include online in the definition of 'broadcast' then you'd have
to add a caveat of some sort, as the number of people capable of
receiving it would be almost the entire world.
combined, we entertain and reach 51.7 million individuals across the
UK every week.'
The question we are discussing is how the figure of 51.7 million is >calculated.
The favourite answer so far is that it is the number of *potential* >listeners.
I was suggesting this probably includes online, smart speaker, phones
etc as obviously Global will be looking for the highest figure..
On 02/02/2023 11:26, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:57:07 +0000, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
I was suggesting this probably includes online, smart speaker, phones
etc as obviously Global will be looking for the highest figure..
That's pretty much what I was getting at. If it's a website or online streaming source, even if it's only intended for British listeners,
the number of *potential* listeners is the entire internet.
Not necessarily. Some streamers, such as the BBC, geofence their website based on your IP address. You *can* get round this by using a VPN.
Don't you feel that most promos are very hard to actually listen to. They
are compressed,a and do not really explain what the show is about,
preferring soundbytes and voxpops that leave most people just dazed.
John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 02/02/2023 11:26, Roderick Stewart wrote:I generally use a UK node of my VPN provider, PIA. Using it, I can
On Thu, 02 Feb 2023 09:57:07 +0000, ScottNot necessarily. Some streamers, such as the BBC, geofence their website
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
I was suggesting this probably includes online, smart speaker, phones
etc as obviously Global will be looking for the highest figure..
That's pretty much what I was getting at. If it's a website or online
streaming source, even if it's only intended for British listeners,
the number of *potential* listeners is the entire internet.
based on your IP address. You *can* get round this by using a VPN.
access neither BBC iPlayer nor Amazon; I have to turn off the VPN
for at least the validation stage of the connection.
That's something they don't mention in the adverts. Every other
Youtube channel seems to be pushing the use of one VPN or another,
a common selling point being that you can access all your usual stuff when you're on holiday. If the BBC and Amazon are using some kind of blocking system, I wonder if it applies to all VPNs or just the one that you're
using?
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