• PSOT: BBC - is it me or..........

    From Woody@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 08:55:57 2023
    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
    is promoting itself?

    We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
    before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more internal adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance between a
    weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV? Now I notice a
    subtle change.

    Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
    but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on
    the radio.

    It cannot be because of people watching on line overseas as many home
    grown programmes are not available outside the UK due to licencing, so
    is this the BBC getting us ready for the (rapidly approaching?) point
    where they announce that over-air broadcasting will cease and all TV
    will be delivered by broadband? Sky have already indicated their similar
    target so is this the BBC getting on the same bandwagon or .....what?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Mon Jan 16 08:59:48 2023
    On 16/01/2023 08:55, Woody wrote:
    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the
    BBC is promoting itself?

    We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
    before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more
    internal adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance
    between a weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV?
    Now I notice a subtle change.

    Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for
    the station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now
    suddenly but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and
    similarly on the radio.

    The direction of travel for all broadcasters is on-line/non linear
    delivery. It's hardly surprising all of them are gently pushing their
    marketing that way.

    Everything in our house that is 'radio' now comes via the internet. Over
    50% of everything that is 'TV' takes the same route now.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Woody on Mon Jan 16 11:10:41 2023
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
    is promoting itself?

    I'm gald you said 'sometimes subtle', most of the time on R4 it is
    totally blatant. I get so frustrated by it that I switch off and then
    miss a programme I wanted to hear.


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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 11:53:52 2023
    Yes it is after all perfectly easy to record stuff locally and view it when
    you want to, so on demand services do seem to be an extravagance in many
    cases.
    If I were a cynic of course I'd say that they can tell who you are where
    you are and when you watch what with online, but not with off air Data is
    king and so if programme funding is going to be driven by popular online viewing figures, what we shall all end up with will be even more bland and boring rot than we have now. Hard to imagine really, since last evening i
    went through the whole of Freeview with nothing even worth watching, and
    most of the rest what I call technical repeats, IE it aired on WE, but is
    new to Quest, or was on BBC 2 but is now on really as new to really.

    And do I really want to watch cloudy with a chance of meatballs AGAIN or Titanic for the 43rd time, or whatever it is from wherever it was in the
    first place.

    Brian

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    "Liz Tuddenham" <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:1q4ndlu.16h418k15nvaxoN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid...
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:

    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
    is promoting itself?

    I'm gald you said 'sometimes subtle', most of the time on R4 it is
    totally blatant. I get so frustrated by it that I switch off and then
    miss a programme I wanted to hear.


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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Mon Jan 16 12:00:11 2023
    I have also noticed that online channels like those bundled with Samsung tvs are increasingly showing the same old bbc and it stuff that is on Freeview
    with the added disadvantage they have no AD any more.
    Sometimes you can find a film on there which is not one you normally see,
    and although it has no AD it can be followed, but they to just regurgitate them, like the various hunger games episodes or one called the Rig which is about a sea monster being disturbed by a drilling rig prospecting, or
    sundry end of the world type moves with a lot of people being killed in apparently gruesome ways or long sex scenes to make up for a lack of plot.
    However it is nice to see those old Myth Busters again as is the FBI files, but once you have seen them all....
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k2ki04FnpuhU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 16/01/2023 08:55, Woody wrote:
    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
    is promoting itself?

    We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
    before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more internal
    adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance between a
    weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV? Now I notice a
    subtle change.

    Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the
    station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
    but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on
    the radio.

    The direction of travel for all broadcasters is on-line/non linear
    delivery. It's hardly surprising all of them are gently pushing their marketing that way.

    Everything in our house that is 'radio' now comes via the internet. Over
    50% of everything that is 'TV' takes the same route now.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Woody on Mon Jan 16 11:45:46 2023
    It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if the Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster? How will government etc, talk to the masses then.
    I mean in my view it is foolhardy to go voip as everyone is doing, for the same reason. If you use Satellites, then these can be disabled or jammed. However if you connect a few main terrestrial radio and TV transmitters up
    by good old fashioned copper, then I'd say it will be far more resilient, or does anyone even care?



    Still, I guess we could use bonfires and smoke signals.

    Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:tq33eu$2m3g2$1@dont-email.me...
    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC is promoting itself?

    We have all aware I am sure - and indeed I think I have seen comment
    before about it on here - that the BBC is pushing more and more internal adverts for its programmes in between others, for instance between a
    weather forecast and a new bulletin both on radio and TV? Now I notice a subtle change.

    Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
    but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on the radio.

    It cannot be because of people watching on line overseas as many home
    grown programmes are not available outside the UK due to licencing, so is this the BBC getting us ready for the (rapidly approaching?) point where
    they announce that over-air broadcasting will cease and all TV will be delivered by broadband? Sky have already indicated their similar target so
    is this the BBC getting on the same bandwagon or .....what?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Mon Jan 16 12:46:32 2023
    On 16/01/2023 11:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
    It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if the Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster? How will government etc, talk to the masses then.

    To tell us what exactly ?

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Mon Jan 16 13:35:58 2023
    In article <k2kv98Fpu2qU1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 16/01/2023 11:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
    It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if
    the Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster?
    How will government etc, talk to the masses then.

    To tell us what exactly ?

    get into a large brown paper bag and hop along to your local civil defence warden

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Mon Jan 16 13:43:25 2023
    On 16/01/2023 12:46, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 16/01/2023 11:45, Brian Gaff wrote:
    It has already been mentioned. But, and its a big but, what happens if
    the
    Internet is compromised by some other nation or a natural disaster?
    How will
    government etc, talk to the masses then.

    To tell us what exactly ?

    Hide under the stairs? That's what they were telling us last time the
    situation worldwide was this tense.

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    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to charles on Mon Jan 16 15:08:36 2023
    On 16/01/2023 13:35, charles wrote:
    get into a large brown paper bag and hop along to your local civil defence warden


    I have always wondered if Putin dropped a nasty on Central London, would
    we only know that there was an 'incident' there and traffic was
    requested to avoid the area?

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jan 16 16:29:45 2023
    On 16/01/2023 15:08, MB wrote:
    On 16/01/2023 13:35, charles wrote:
    get into a large brown paper bag and hop along to your local civil
    defence
    warden


    I have always wondered if Putin dropped a nasty on Central London, would
    we only know that there was an 'incident' there and traffic was
    requested to avoid the area?

    There is a tendency to down-play an incident in the early stages.

    When the various terrorist bombs were detonated on the London
    Underground (and the bus) on 7 July 2005, breakfast news programmes were dismissing it as a "power glitch" for a worryingly long time.

    Likewise, at the time of the terrorist attack at the Ariane Grande
    concert in Manchester, a certain Corrie actress whose children were (I
    think) at the concert tweeted that it was nothing serious (I think she
    may have referred to a crowd-control issue).

    Best to assume the worst ("it looks like a terrorist attack") and then
    later downgrade it, than to start with benign reports and then have to
    increase the severity as more details are reported - less
    egg-on-your-face ;-)

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to brian1gaff@gmail.com on Mon Jan 16 19:19:09 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:53:52 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    If I were a cynic of course I'd say that they can tell who you are where
    you are and when you watch what with online, but not with off air

    With internet viewing the mechanism to do this definitely exists.
    Whether or not they are able to use it yet is unknown, but I think we
    can take it as certain that they would like to, so it can only be a
    matter of time.

    They could not only see what we're watching, but if they wanted to
    they could control access to it as well, so it could be seen as paving
    the way for allowing us to pay for what we want to see, either by a subscription or payments for individual programmes. As long as they do
    this *instead* of the licence I'm all for it, as they'd soon find out
    what their programmes are really worth and would be incentivised to
    produce what the viewers want.

    Rod.

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Mon Jan 16 20:32:29 2023
    Roderick Stewart wrote:

    They could not only see what we're watching, but if they wanted to
    they could control access to it as well, so it could be seen as paving
    the way for allowing us to pay for what we want to see, either by a >subscription or payments for individual programmes. As long as they do
    this *instead* of the licence I'm all for it, as they'd soon find out
    what their programmes are really worth and would be incentivised to
    produce what the viewers want.

    My concern is that I will no longer be able to record programmes
    at will, with indefinite retention to view, skip etc as the fancy
    takes me. Being locked into a system with unavoidable adverts
    doesn't appeal to me, which is probably why the broadcasters
    would prefer it. :-(

    Chris
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    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

    Plant amazing Acers.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 09:28:59 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 20:32:29 +0000, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
    wrote:

    Roderick Stewart wrote:

    They could not only see what we're watching, but if they wanted to
    they could control access to it as well, so it could be seen as paving
    the way for allowing us to pay for what we want to see, either by a >>subscription or payments for individual programmes. As long as they do
    this *instead* of the licence I'm all for it, as they'd soon find out
    what their programmes are really worth and would be incentivised to
    produce what the viewers want.

    My concern is that I will no longer be able to record programmes
    at will, with indefinite retention to view, skip etc as the fancy
    takes me. Being locked into a system with unavoidable adverts
    doesn't appeal to me, which is probably why the broadcasters
    would prefer it. :-(

    Chris

    If there's a demand for making local recordings, somebody will fulfil
    it. I can still remember the record companies' attempts in the 1960s
    and 70s to make recordings that couldn't be copied, but they failed.

    Rod.

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  • From Stephen Wolstenholme@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 17 12:38:35 2023
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 08:55:57 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
    is promoting itself?

    I've notice it but it's no where near as intrusive as the commercial
    channels. The self promoting on channels 20 and 66 are hundreds of
    times more annoying.

    Steve

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  • From Mike@21:1/5 to harrogate3@ntlworld.com on Tue Jan 17 11:01:59 2023
    In article <tq33eu$2m3g2$1@dont-email.me>,
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    Such adverts often were for iPlayer or BBC Sounds, and sometimes for the >station name and the online, i.e. "...on BBC1 and iPlayer." Now suddenly
    but notably it has becomes ".... on iPlayer and BBC1" and similarly on
    the radio.

    BBC1? What's that? :)

    This morning, local BBC radio pushing the "return of Waterloo Road"
    which is "on iPlayer". Same with "His Dark Materials. Watch now. On
    iPlayer".

    BBC1/2 doesn't even rate a mention.

    I think it *is* part of "nudge" advertising, like when it used to
    be "On DAB, Online and on FM -- BBC [local radio]" -- yeah, FM,
    the third rate option to the wonders of DAB and streaming. "Have
    we mentioned DAB lately? DAB is so good. You should get DAB!"

    They stopped pushing DAB at some point, maybe they realised there
    wasn't enough glitter to roll *that* in ... so switched to "Get
    your smart-thing to do stuff by saying 'play BBC local news'".

    They hardly ever mention that local radio is available on Freeview
    72X, and when they *do* it's like it's a shock to the presenters too!

    "You're listening to us on your telly? How is this magic possible?"
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  • From Alexander@21:1/5 to Stephen Wolstenholme on Wed Jan 18 13:19:44 2023
    "Stephen Wolstenholme" <stephenwolstenholme30@outlook.com> wrote in message news:hb5dshpro0feafd8gatnfton3b0gj2cvb5@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 08:55:57 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
    is promoting itself?

    I've notice it but it's no where near as intrusive as the commercial channels. The self promoting on channels 20 and 66 are hundreds of
    times more annoying.

    Listening to the commercial 'Hits Radio' station I frequently hear
    adverts being aired for BBC programmes 'available now on iPlayer'.

    If I wanted to hear BBC drivel I'd listen to a BBC station.

    Perhaps they'll start advertising it on ITV next...

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Alexander on Wed Jan 18 13:25:44 2023
    On 18/01/2023 13:19, Alexander wrote:
    "Stephen Wolstenholme" <stephenwolstenholme30@outlook.com> wrote in message news:hb5dshpro0feafd8gatnfton3b0gj2cvb5@4ax.com...
    On Mon, 16 Jan 2023 08:55:57 +0000, Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com>
    wrote:

    Has anyone else noticed the increasing but sometimes subtle way the BBC
    is promoting itself?
    I've notice it but it's no where near as intrusive as the commercial
    channels. The self promoting on channels 20 and 66 are hundreds of
    times more annoying.
    Listening to the commercial 'Hits Radio' station I frequently hear
    adverts being aired for BBC programmes 'available now on iPlayer'.


    Yes, and the TV trailers as adverts at the cinema

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  • From Alexander@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Jan 18 13:32:13 2023
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:k2qaanFkkuvU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 18/01/2023 13:19, Alexander wrote:

    Listening to the commercial 'Hits Radio' station I frequently hear
    adverts being aired for BBC programmes 'available now on iPlayer'.


    Yes, and the TV trailers as adverts at the cinema

    Alas the new 'Culture Secretary' (or whatever the role is called now)
    comes across as a BBC sycophant, so I presume she'll do nothing to
    rein them in.
    We can expect the forced subscription and obnoxious advertising to
    continue indefinitely. As was always the plan most likely.

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