• Re: Bulky headphones

    From SimonM@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 13 10:10:38 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    For the record I think JP may be wearing his the
    wrong way round - didn't the cable enter on the
    right ear?

    Yes. And there was a BBC/Canford version with
    built-in level limiting driven from the audio signal.

    I have several sets, including 109s and level
    limiting. One great aspect is that you can swap
    cables easily, so I have leads that fit mini-jacks
    as well ones for gauge A and B. Various impedances
    also used to be available, too, and the 108, which
    was single earpad + mic for cameramen, etc..

    They aren't the most faithful-sounding (I prefer
    Sennheiser 424s), but they are good enough and
    very practical.

    The ones Piennar is wearing seem to have thicker
    earpads than usual in times past, so are probably
    an updated model.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Jan 13 09:53:41 2023
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    On Fri 13/01/2023 09:30, John Williamson wrote:
    On 13/01/2023 09:15, Pamela wrote:
    I've seen teenagers on the street wear bulky headphones (presumably as a
    display of serious sound reproduction) but I've never seen any headphones
    as large as these.

    Does anyone recognise the model?

    https://i.postimg.cc/fk41wxMF/John-Pienaar-Times-Radio.png

    Considering they're being used by a professional broadcaster, does the
    sheer size of this model mean they have been chosen for their high
    quality?


    About the same size as my Beyer DT-100 headset, which used to be pretty standard in any studio.

    Good quality, excellent isolation so they can't he heard by the
    microphone, and all parts are available for when they break. They are
    also comfortable, as they don't need much pressure to seal the cushions against your head.

    For the application in the picture, decent isolation and comfort are
    more important than sound quality, as all the broadcaster is listening
    to is a phone line feed, and there is probably an engineer next door listening on some very good speakers to make sure it sounds good when it leaves the studio.


    I was going to say that. Another version was (still is) the DT109 which
    was almost always a cream body but black pads and had a pretty
    substantial boom mike on one side.
    I've had a pair of DT220 of the same type in black for maybe 30 years
    and they are as good now as they were when I bought them (from a hifi
    shop in Barrow in Furness as I remember.)

    For the record I think JP may be wearing his the wrong way round -
    didn't the cable enter on the right ear?

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri Jan 13 09:30:05 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 13/01/2023 09:15, Pamela wrote:
    I've seen teenagers on the street wear bulky headphones (presumably as a display of serious sound reproduction) but I've never seen any headphones
    as large as these.

    Does anyone recognise the model?

    https://i.postimg.cc/fk41wxMF/John-Pienaar-Times-Radio.png

    Considering they're being used by a professional broadcaster, does the
    sheer size of this model mean they have been chosen for their high
    quality?


    About the same size as my Beyer DT-100 headset, which used to be pretty standard in any studio.

    Good quality, excellent isolation so they can't he heard by the
    microphone, and all parts are available for when they break. They are
    also comfortable, as they don't need much pressure to seal the cushions
    against your head.

    For the application in the picture, decent isolation and comfort are
    more important than sound quality, as all the broadcaster is listening
    to is a phone line feed, and there is probably an engineer next door
    listening on some very good speakers to make sure it sounds good when it
    leaves the studio.

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    John.

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 13 09:15:51 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    I've seen teenagers on the street wear bulky headphones (presumably as a display of serious sound reproduction) but I've never seen any headphones
    as large as these.

    Does anyone recognise the model?

    https://i.postimg.cc/fk41wxMF/John-Pienaar-Times-Radio.png

    Considering they're being used by a professional broadcaster, does the
    sheer size of this model mean they have been chosen for their high
    quality?

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri Jan 13 10:37:18 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 13/01/2023 09:15, Pamela wrote:
    I've seen teenagers on the street wear bulky headphones (presumably as a display of serious sound reproduction) but I've never seen any headphones
    as large as these.

    Does anyone recognise the model?

    https://i.postimg.cc/fk41wxMF/John-Pienaar-Times-Radio.png

    Considering they're being used by a professional broadcaster, does the
    sheer size of this model mean they have been chosen for their high
    quality?

    Seem to be about the same size as my 50-years old Koss PRO4AA headphones.

    They are chosen, I assume, for high quality and sound isolation. The fluid-filled cups of my headphones are still filled and conform well to
    any contours on my head.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Jan 13 12:00:55 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    I can't see the picture, but I have some Lenco phones that are big, comfy
    and sound reasonable and apart from having to repair the cable a few times
    they have been reliable and none of that pvc cracking or foam shedding you
    can get on so called closed ear phones.
    Yes I liked the ones mentioned, but beyond my price limit at the time. I
    did have another German named set of phones, but they started to shed
    little bits of black foam coming through the fabric on the ear cups, like
    black dandruff after a year or so, so never went back to those. Anyone
    remember the Koss ones, they were good for their time, but you did start to
    get head clamping syndrome with those. Sony do some good ones but at an eye watering price, but not as expensive as the Apple ones.
    Brian

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    "John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:k2cmktFhocuU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 13/01/2023 09:15, Pamela wrote:
    I've seen teenagers on the street wear bulky headphones (presumably as a
    display of serious sound reproduction) but I've never seen any headphones
    as large as these.

    Does anyone recognise the model?

    https://i.postimg.cc/fk41wxMF/John-Pienaar-Times-Radio.png

    Considering they're being used by a professional broadcaster, does the
    sheer size of this model mean they have been chosen for their high
    quality?


    About the same size as my Beyer DT-100 headset, which used to be pretty standard in any studio.

    Good quality, excellent isolation so they can't he heard by the
    microphone, and all parts are available for when they break. They are also comfortable, as they don't need much pressure to seal the cushions against your head.

    For the application in the picture, decent isolation and comfort are more important than sound quality, as all the broadcaster is listening to is a phone line feed, and there is probably an engineer next door listening on some very good speakers to make sure it sounds good when it leaves the studio.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Fri Jan 13 12:03:13 2023
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    Koss used to also do quadraphonic headphones but the weight and unwieldiness was annoying and the quad was not very realistic.

    Brian

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    "Jeff Layman" <Jeff@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:tprc8u$1i97a$1@dont-email.me...
    On 13/01/2023 09:15, Pamela wrote:
    I've seen teenagers on the street wear bulky headphones (presumably as a
    display of serious sound reproduction) but I've never seen any headphones
    as large as these.

    Does anyone recognise the model?

    https://i.postimg.cc/fk41wxMF/John-Pienaar-Times-Radio.png

    Considering they're being used by a professional broadcaster, does the
    sheer size of this model mean they have been chosen for their high
    quality?

    Seem to be about the same size as my 50-years old Koss PRO4AA headphones.

    They are chosen, I assume, for high quality and sound isolation. The fluid-filled cups of my headphones are still filled and conform well to
    any contours on my head.

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Jan 13 15:18:37 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 09:30 13 Jan 2023, John Williamson said:

    On 13/01/2023 09:15, Pamela wrote:
    I've seen teenagers on the street wear bulky headphones (presumably
    as a display of serious sound reproduction) but I've never seen any
    headphones as large as these.

    Does anyone recognise the model?

    https://i.postimg.cc/fk41wxMF/John-Pienaar-Times-Radio.png

    Considering they're being used by a professional broadcaster, does
    the sheer size of this model mean they have been chosen for their
    high quality?


    About the same size as my Beyer DT-100 headset, which used to be
    pretty standard in any studio.

    Good quality, excellent isolation so they can't he heard by the
    microphone, and all parts are available for when they break. They are
    also comfortable, as they don't need much pressure to seal the
    cushions against your head.

    For the application in the picture, decent isolation and comfort are
    more important than sound quality, as all the broadcaster is
    listening to is a phone line feed, and there is probably an engineer
    next door listening on some very good speakers to make sure it sounds
    good when it leaves the studio.

    Compared to pictures I found of the Beyer DT-100, those in the Pienaar
    photo have thicker foam pads (which SimonM here also observes).

    However other pictures of the Beyer DT-100 do have these thicker ear pads.

    Perhaps there were optional replacement parts.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Pamela on Fri Jan 13 15:59:57 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 13/01/2023 15:18, Pamela wrote:

    Compared to pictures I found of the Beyer DT-100, those in the Pienaar
    photo have thicker foam pads (which SimonM here also observes).

    However other pictures of the Beyer DT-100 do have these thicker ear pads.

    Perhaps there were optional replacement parts.


    There are... Vinyl or velour, your choice.

    All parts as well as the DT-100 series complete units are available here.

    I was only saying that the ones in the picture are about the same size
    as my favourite headset here.

    There are quite a few of that size in use and on the market.

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    John.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Jan 13 17:39:55 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 13/01/2023 12:03, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Koss used to also do quadraphonic headphones but the weight and unwieldiness was annoying and the quad was not very realistic.

    You tried them? I don't see how they could work as I thought that you
    had to move your head from side to side to tell whether sound was coming
    from the front or the back.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sat Jan 14 11:32:37 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Yes that is why they sounded more annoying than real. Apple do a system that makes changes to the sound as you move your head. Not tried it though.
    The most realistic multi track sound I ever heard was when I went to an exhibition at the Design Centre in Haymarket. They had a pod there, and you
    got inside and shut the door and laid back. It was very comfy and the sound
    did sound like you were wherever the piece was coming from. But who would
    spend nearly 10,000 quid on one for their home that only one person could
    use at a time?
    I'm not surprised it was not successful. I have no idea of the tech behind
    it but it was back in the 80s, so was probably analogue rather than digital.
    Brian

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    On 13/01/2023 12:03, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Koss used to also do quadraphonic headphones but the weight and
    unwieldiness
    was annoying and the quad was not very realistic.

    You tried them? I don't see how they could work as I thought that you had
    to move your head from side to side to tell whether sound was coming from
    the front or the back.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Jan 14 17:38:45 2023
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    On 14/01/2023 11:32, Brian Gaff wrote:

    Yes that is why they sounded more annoying than real. Apple do a system that makes changes to the sound as you move your head. Not tried it though.
    The most realistic multi track sound I ever heard was when I went to an exhibition at the Design Centre in Haymarket. They had a pod there, and you got inside and shut the door and laid back. It was very comfy and the sound did sound like you were wherever the piece was coming from. But who would spend nearly 10,000 quid on one for their home that only one person could
    use at a time?

    I'm not surprised it was not successful. I have no idea of the tech behind it but it was back in the 80s, so was probably analogue rather than digital.

    The quad phones I saw at an electronics show just had front and back transducers inside the phone shells.

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Thu Jan 19 11:56:06 2023
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 15:59 13 Jan 2023, John Williamson said:

    On 13/01/2023 15:18, Pamela wrote:

    Compared to pictures I found of the Beyer DT-100, those in the
    Pienaar photo have thicker foam pads (which SimonM here also
    observes).

    However other pictures of the Beyer DT-100 do have these thicker ear
    pads.

    Perhaps there were optional replacement parts.


    There are... Vinyl or velour, your choice.

    All parts as well as the DT-100 series complete units are available
    here.

    I was only saying that the ones in the picture are about the same
    size as my favourite headset here.

    There are quite a few of that size in use and on the market.

    Headphones that big are almost a comic parody. A bit like those enormous
    pepper mills brandished by waiters in Italian restaurants.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Pamela on Thu Jan 19 12:38:19 2023
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    On 19/01/2023 11:56, Pamela wrote:
    There are quite a few of that size in use and on the market.

    Headphones that big are almost a comic parody. A bit like those enormous pepper mills brandished by waiters in Italian restaurants.


    They can't be made any smaller, as they have to enclose the complete ear
    to give enough isolation between the ear and the environment.

    They are the smallest and lightest way to do the job at a reasonable
    cost, and sound pretty much the same for anyone that puts them on. I can
    buy an acceptable pair of those for a couple of hundred pounds, while an
    in ear monitor of equivalent quality would cost about a thousand, and
    each one has to be custom moulded and set up to suit the user, so they
    can not be shared in a studio environment.



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    John.

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