• OFF TOPIC SLIGHTLY: GEC Staff War Memorial in Hammersmith

    From MB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 15:07:56 2023
    XPost: uk.telecom

    There is a bronze plaque at the old GEC factory at the bottom of
    Shepherds Bush Road near the fire station that commemorates GEC staff
    who died in WWI. Now Osram House built on the site.

    I am trying to update the record on the WMR and would like to give an
    exact location but I have seen a series of location but none precise. I
    have searched on Streetview but think it must be inside a building from
    the picture.

    No picture here yet but it might update tonight.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/39035

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sun Jan 8 12:26:11 2023
    XPost: uk.telecom

    I'd have thought the best you can do is get the location of the building,
    and ask the current people there, exactly where it is and add a description. Often there is no answer.
    I mean in our town, Kingston Upon Thames, War memorials are constantly
    being moved to accommodate new buildings, and indeed even the Coronation
    stone has been move twice since I've lived here. Its a good idea though to make sure someone official knows its there, or it could vanish the way a
    stone engraving did in this road to commemorate the Queen planting trees
    just after her coronation when a bloke put in a driveway.

    Brian


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    There is a bronze plaque at the old GEC factory at the bottom of Shepherds Bush Road near the fire station that commemorates GEC staff who died in
    WWI. Now Osram House built on the site.

    I am trying to update the record on the WMR and would like to give an
    exact location but I have seen a series of location but none precise. I
    have searched on Streetview but think it must be inside a building from
    the picture.

    No picture here yet but it might update tonight.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/39035



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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sun Jan 8 12:39:47 2023
    XPost: uk.telecom

    On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 15:07:56 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There is a bronze plaque at the old GEC factory at the bottom of
    Shepherds Bush Road near the fire station that commemorates GEC staff
    who died in WWI. Now Osram House built on the site.

    I am trying to update the record on the WMR and would like to give an
    exact location but I have seen a series of location but none
    precise. I have searched on Streetview but think it must be inside a building from the picture.

    No picture here yet but it might update tonight.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/39035



    I see that the location described does not match the "See location on
    Google Maps" link, which must need updating also. I agree with Brian,
    the only way to be certain is to go and see it for yourself, then you
    can clear up any confusion.
    Good Luck!
    This has prompted me to investigate whether there is any such memorial
    at the 1944 Christmas Eve location of a depot of United Dairies in
    Wanstead. A V2 landed there, and killed several people, thus depriving
    me of some future relatives. I think that the place is now a park. I
    have no idea when I will ever be near the area, so maybe this is a new
    armchair project to undertake. When I first researched the location and
    time and date, I also easily found the serial number of the V2, and
    its launch location. Too much information?
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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Davey on Sun Jan 8 14:44:52 2023
    XPost: uk.telecom

    On 08/01/2023 12:39, Davey wrote:
    I see that the location described does not match the "See location on
    Google Maps" link, which must need updating also. I agree with Brian,
    the only way to be certain is to go and see it for yourself, then you
    can clear up any confusion.



    Rather a long way to travel!

    There are quite a few broadcasting and similar companies in the area
    which is why I asked here.

    I often EMail a church, school etc to ask about one and they are usually
    very helpful. I was recently able to return the favour with one church
    and give them some useful information on the history of some of their
    memorials from the BNA.

    There are lots of 'private' websites recording War Memorial but of
    variable quality. They often do not give even the exact location, very
    rare to see a NGR on sites like that. Even the photographs on the WMR
    are often of very poor quality so the names unreadable.

    Saddest case that I came across was when I saw newspaper report on a
    WWII memorial being placed in a local school in a tiny Aberdeenshire
    village (more a hamlet) after WWII. It was a copper shield with the names.

    I could not find any mention of it anywhere so EMailed the nearest
    church, school etc. It was circulated on Farcebook in the area and I
    was told the school had closed and was left empty whilst awaiting a
    buyer. During that time someone stripped out all the copper pipes and
    wiring, presumably the copper shield went at the same time. No
    photograph has been found and not even a list of names.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Jan 9 11:55:19 2023
    XPost: uk.telecom

    On 08/01/2023 12:39, Davey wrote:
    This has prompted me to investigate whether there is any such memorial
    at the 1944 Christmas Eve location of a depot of United Dairies in
    Wanstead. A V2 landed there, and killed several people, thus depriving
    me of some future relatives. I think that the place is now a park. I
    have no idea when I will ever be near the area, so maybe this is a new armchair project to undertake. When I first researched the location and
    time and date, I also easily found the serial number of the V2, and
    its launch location. Too much information?


    There is an aerial photograph of he site of the impact online.

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/100960/V-2-Impact-Site-Wanstead-Park-Road.htm

    But I can't see anything about a memorial though there could be a more
    general one to people killed in the Blitz in the area.
    I was just updating the record on a memorial to the people in
    Loughborough killed by a Zeppelin attack in 1916. The memorial was only
    erected in 2016 after a local campaign, interestingly the biggest donor
    was the Zeppelin Engineering Company of Germany!

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Davey on Mon Jan 9 11:18:32 2023
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    Yes its interesting that weapons records are often kept, though in the case
    of the V2, the rather cynical might say that the designers ultimate aim was
    to use rockets to access space and a few dead Englishmen were worth it to
    get the design right. He was a very driven and obsessive person, apparently.
    Brian

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    On Fri, 6 Jan 2023 15:07:56 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There is a bronze plaque at the old GEC factory at the bottom of
    Shepherds Bush Road near the fire station that commemorates GEC staff
    who died in WWI. Now Osram House built on the site.

    I am trying to update the record on the WMR and would like to give an
    exact location but I have seen a series of location but none
    precise. I have searched on Streetview but think it must be inside a
    building from the picture.

    No picture here yet but it might update tonight.

    https://www.iwm.org.uk/memorials/item/memorial/39035



    I see that the location described does not match the "See location on
    Google Maps" link, which must need updating also. I agree with Brian,
    the only way to be certain is to go and see it for yourself, then you
    can clear up any confusion.
    Good Luck!
    This has prompted me to investigate whether there is any such memorial
    at the 1944 Christmas Eve location of a depot of United Dairies in
    Wanstead. A V2 landed there, and killed several people, thus depriving
    me of some future relatives. I think that the place is now a park. I
    have no idea when I will ever be near the area, so maybe this is a new armchair project to undertake. When I first researched the location and
    time and date, I also easily found the serial number of the V2, and
    its launch location. Too much information?
    --
    Davey


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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Jan 9 23:39:31 2023
    XPost: uk.telecom

    On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 11:55:19 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 08/01/2023 12:39, Davey wrote:
    This has prompted me to investigate whether there is any such
    memorial at the 1944 Christmas Eve location of a depot of United
    Dairies in Wanstead. A V2 landed there, and killed several people,
    thus depriving me of some future relatives. I think that the place
    is now a park. I have no idea when I will ever be near the area, so
    maybe this is a new armchair project to undertake. When I first
    researched the location and time and date, I also easily found the
    serial number of the V2, and its launch location. Too much
    information?


    There is an aerial photograph of he site of the impact online.

    https://www.tracesofwar.com/sights/100960/V-2-Impact-Site-Wanstead-Park-Road.htm

    But I can't see anything about a memorial though there could be a
    more general one to people killed in the Blitz in the area.
    I was just updating the record on a memorial to the people in
    Loughborough killed by a Zeppelin attack in 1916. The memorial was
    only erected in 2016 after a local campaign, interestingly the
    biggest donor was the Zeppelin Engineering Company of Germany!





    That refers to a V2 attack in March 1945, whereas my relatives died
    there on Christmas Eve 1944. It was clearly not a good place to be. Loughborough was where I was at University from 1968 to 1982. Later
    than 1916, by a long way.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 23:38:22 2023
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    I have got confirmation that the memorial is inside the building and
    there is no public access.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Tue Jan 10 23:56:10 2023
    XPost: uk.telecom

    On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 23:38:22 +0000
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    I have got confirmation that the memorial is inside the building and
    there is no public access.


    That really is a Good News / Bad News result!
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    Davey

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