• ITV1 HD on satellite - no programme audio track (only audio description

    From NY@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jan 5 23:43:37 2023
    Is ITV1 having problems on its HD channel on satellite? The second and
    third episodes of Stonehouse recorded with only one audio track - the
    NAR / audio description track - and no programme audio track.
    Fortunately the NAR track contained the programme audio, and I quickly
    got used to the scene description and the rather abrupt way the
    programme audio level decreased as the AD started and increased after
    the AD.

    This was on 11068V SID 21820 (ITV HD Yorkshire (East)).

    I notice that tonight's "The Real Stonehouse" had only programme audio
    and no AD, despite listings claiming that it has it. So the opposite
    problem.

    I've just checked ITV HD now and both audio tracks are present. Could it
    be a playout problem of certain programmes?

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 09:12:25 2023
    Sounds like a cock up to me. If a lot of people who use AD were watching
    then they will get their ears burned, We blindies are quite vocal on this
    kind of thing. I was not wotching it but if I had been I'd do so one terrestrial anyway.
    Brian

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    "NY" <me@privacy.net> wrote in message news:CQOdnX9ngLYt_Sr-nZ2dnZfqnPqdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
    Is ITV1 having problems on its HD channel on satellite? The second and
    third episodes of Stonehouse recorded with only one audio track - the NAR
    / audio description track - and no programme audio track. Fortunately the
    NAR track contained the programme audio, and I quickly got used to the
    scene description and the rather abrupt way the programme audio level decreased as the AD started and increased after the AD.

    This was on 11068V SID 21820 (ITV HD Yorkshire (East)).

    I notice that tonight's "The Real Stonehouse" had only programme audio and
    no AD, despite listings claiming that it has it. So the opposite problem.

    I've just checked ITV HD now and both audio tracks are present. Could it
    be a playout problem of certain programmes?

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Jan 6 09:36:04 2023
    "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tp8olu$34hc3$1@dont-email.me...
    Sounds like a cock up to me. If a lot of people who use AD were watching
    then they will get their ears burned, We blindies are quite vocal on this kind of thing. I was not wotching it but if I had been I'd do so one terrestrial anyway.

    Yes for Stonehouse (the drama) "blindies" may not have noticed the absence
    of the normal audio as long as they had the AD+audio track, but they'd presumably have noticed the absence of AD on The Real Stonehouse (the documentary).

    I've not noticed it on other recordings I've made from ITV HD, so it looks
    as if it was confined to specific titles.

    Unless it's the software that I use to record TV which is occasionally
    dropping the second audio stream from isolated recordings. At fist I thought
    it was a bad setting on the software I use to edit out continuity and commercials (there is an option to copy only one soundtrack) but I quickly found that it was the same on the raw recording.

    One interesting thing about the AD for Stonehouse: it was incredibly
    detailed where there were long enough gaps in the dialogue and drew my attention to details that I hadn't spotted: an excellent word-picture.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jan 6 10:37:47 2023
    On 06/01/2023 09:36, NY wrote:
    Yes for Stonehouse (the drama) "blindies" may not have noticed the absence
    of the normal audio as long as they had the AD+audio track, but they'd presumably have noticed the absence of AD on The Real Stonehouse (the documentary).


    Never underestimate the "blindies", Angus MacKenzie told me how he had
    been once listening to the Proms and noticed that the orchestra was the
    "wrong way around". He rang up TOM BH and found that someone tripped
    over the cable to the OB van just before the start of the programme and
    they had all been plugged back in very quickly!

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Fri Jan 6 11:10:46 2023
    In article <tp8tlr$34tr6$2@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 06/01/2023 09:36, NY wrote:
    Yes for Stonehouse (the drama) "blindies" may not have noticed the
    absence of the normal audio as long as they had the AD+audio track, but they'd presumably have noticed the absence of AD on The Real Stonehouse (the documentary).


    Never underestimate the "blindies", Angus MacKenzie told me how he had
    been once listening to the Proms and noticed that the orchestra was the "wrong way around". He rang up TOM BH and found that someone tripped
    over the cable to the OB van just before the start of the programme and
    they had all been plugged back in very quickly!

    I once had a very good phone conversion with Angus. He happened to ring at lunchtime when the Head of Department was out, so I got the call. In his
    column later he said that was a good time to call because you got facts
    rather that platitudes (or words to that effect).

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to charles on Fri Jan 6 14:52:06 2023
    On 06/01/2023 11:10, charles wrote:
    I once had a very good phone conversion with Angus. He happened to ring at lunchtime when the Head of Department was out, so I got the call. In his column later he said that was a good time to call because you got facts rather that platitudes (or words to that effect).



    He used to come up on holiday to this area so spoke to him and 2m and
    met him a few times.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 7 02:20:29 2023
    In article <tp8tlr$34tr6$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> scribeth
    thus
    On 06/01/2023 09:36, NY wrote:
    Yes for Stonehouse (the drama) "blindies" may not have noticed the absence >> of the normal audio as long as they had the AD+audio track, but they'd
    presumably have noticed the absence of AD on The Real Stonehouse (the
    documentary).


    Never underestimate the "blindies", Angus MacKenzie told me how he had
    been once listening to the Proms and noticed that the orchestra was the >"wrong way around". He rang up TOM BH and found that someone tripped
    over the cable to the OB van just before the start of the programme and
    they had all been plugged back in very quickly!




    That! i could well believe! Wonder what he'd have to say these days re
    reduced DAB bitrates and MP whatever reduction;?..

    Remember listening to some of his recordings at hi-fi shows back in the
    1970's, bloody impressive they were too!..
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    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Sat Jan 7 12:33:55 2023
    Yes some of the worst programmes that have been on recently was the Estonia documentary series about the real reason for its sinking.
    The whole problem was that most of it was in different languages and no attempt to read captions was made at all, making it almost completely
    useless to listen to unless you were a polyglot and new German Estonian, Swedish and occasionally, English.
    Brian

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    "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tp8olu$34hc3$1@dont-email.me...
    Sounds like a cock up to me. If a lot of people who use AD were watching
    then they will get their ears burned, We blindies are quite vocal on this
    kind of thing. I was not wotching it but if I had been I'd do so one
    terrestrial anyway.

    Yes for Stonehouse (the drama) "blindies" may not have noticed the absence
    of the normal audio as long as they had the AD+audio track, but they'd presumably have noticed the absence of AD on The Real Stonehouse (the documentary).

    I've not noticed it on other recordings I've made from ITV HD, so it looks
    as if it was confined to specific titles.

    Unless it's the software that I use to record TV which is occasionally dropping the second audio stream from isolated recordings. At fist I
    thought it was a bad setting on the software I use to edit out continuity
    and commercials (there is an option to copy only one soundtrack) but I quickly found that it was the same on the raw recording.

    One interesting thing about the AD for Stonehouse: it was incredibly
    detailed where there were long enough gaps in the dialogue and drew my attention to details that I hadn't spotted: an excellent word-picture.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Jan 7 21:14:20 2023
    "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tpborp$3gj4s$1@dont-email.me...
    Yes some of the worst programmes that have been on recently was the
    Estonia documentary series about the real reason for its sinking.
    The whole problem was that most of it was in different languages and no attempt to read captions was made at all, making it almost completely
    useless to listen to unless you were a polyglot and new German Estonian, Swedish and occasionally, English.

    Yes, probably the best way to handle translation captions in AD would be to mute the foreign language and replace it with the spoken translation. OK, it means that blind people who *do* speak the foreign language lose the ability
    to hear what is said in its original rather than translated version, but
    that is probably the lesser of two evils.

    Judging from the lack of "me too" responses, it sounds as if I'm the only
    one who found that, on HD/satellite, episodes of Stonehouse were AD-only,
    and The Real Stonehouse was only programme sound without AD.

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  • From Ashley Booth@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jan 10 09:34:18 2023
    MB wrote:

    On 06/01/2023 11:10, charles wrote:
    I once had a very good phone conversion with Angus. He happened to
    ring at lunchtime when the Head of Department was out, so I got the
    call. In his column later he said that was a good time to call
    because you got facts rather that platitudes (or words to that
    effect).



    He used to come up on holiday to this area so spoke to him and 2m and
    met him a few times.

    Old Smelly Socks! (G3OSS)

    Been to his house a few times. I repaired some of his tape recorders.
    He used to do amateur TV!

    G8DPH

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