Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>The Saffron Green site is very large (in terms of land) and the
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by AbsoluteHow long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
https://planetradio.co.uk/absolute-radio/music/news/how-you-listen-to-absolute-radio-is-changing/
Almost certainly the huge electricity bill, for the tiny amount of
listeners is the reason.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 14:03:42 +0000, Mark CarverI don't know, I doubt there are many listeners to either station who
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 04/01/2023 13:26, Scott wrote:But on a per listener basis will the cost not be quite low, given the
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>The Saffron Green site is very large (in terms of land) and the
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by AbsoluteHow long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
transmitters quite expensive to run, particularly 1548 kHz (about 25kW
of power (97.5 kW EMRP) LBC on 1152 less so (5.5 kW/27.5 kW)
massive population of the reception area?
On 04/01/2023 13:26, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>The Saffron Green site is very large (in terms of land) and the
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by AbsoluteHow long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
transmitters quite expensive to run, particularly 1548 kHz (about 25kW
of power (97.5 kW EMRP) LBC on 1152 less so (5.5 kW/27.5 kW)
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by
Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
On 04/01/2023 14:22, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 14:03:42 +0000, Mark CarverI don't know, I doubt there are many listeners to either station who
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 04/01/2023 13:26, Scott wrote:But on a per listener basis will the cost not be quite low, given the
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>The Saffron Green site is very large (in terms of land) and the
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by >>>>>> AbsoluteHow long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
transmitters quite expensive to run, particularly 1548 kHz (about 25kW
of power (97.5 kW EMRP) LBC on 1152 less so (5.5 kW/27.5 kW)
massive population of the reception area?
haven't already moved to DAB/On Line
I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if the
folk I meet are anything to go by.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 15:19:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if the
folk I meet are anything to go by.
I'm elderly but I haven't needed to listen to medium wave for about 60
years! I can't remember what I listened to then.
On 04/01/2023 15:42, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 15:19:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if
the folk I meet are anything to go by.
I'm elderly but I haven't needed to listen to medium wave for about 60 years! I can't remember what I listened to then.
<Grin> I can. I used to listen to Radio 1 on 247 metres, until it got
shifted to 275 and 285 metres and they put Radio 3 on 247 metres.
What is the actual input power of the London Brookmans Park 247m
transmitter, I wonder?
Brian
On 04/01/2023 14:22, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 14:03:42 +0000, Mark CarverI don't know, I doubt there are many listeners to either station who
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 04/01/2023 13:26, Scott wrote:But on a per listener basis will the cost not be quite low, given the
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>The Saffron Green site is very large (in terms of land) and the
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by AbsoluteHow long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
transmitters quite expensive to run, particularly 1548 kHz (about 25kW
of power (97.5 kW EMRP) LBC on 1152 less so (5.5 kW/27.5 kW)
massive population of the reception area?
haven't already moved to DAB/On Line
On 04/01/2023 15:42, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 15:19:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com><Grin> I can. I used to listen to Radio 1 on 247 metres, until it got
wrote:
I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if the >>> folk I meet are anything to go by.
I'm elderly but I haven't needed to listen to medium wave for about 60
years! I can't remember what I listened to then.
shifted to 275 and 285 metres and they put Radio 3 on 247 metres.
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
On 04/01/2023 13:26, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
i can't imagine listening to music in medium wave quality - DAB is bad >enough.
The daft thing at the moment with the clearance of stations, Here in Surrey, >I can now pick up Caroline and Manx radio AM most of the time. Its a strange >world. Personally, I'd like to see the end of Naive Christian, sorry I
forgot its real name, on Medium wave. We have one very near here that >splatters all over the place and overloads most sets.
What about R5 though? That is on Medium wave also.
On 04/01/2023 14:22, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 14:03:42 +0000, Mark CarverI don't know, I doubt there are many listeners to either station who
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 04/01/2023 13:26, Scott wrote:But on a per listener basis will the cost not be quite low, given the
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 13:04:14 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>The Saffron Green site is very large (in terms of land) and the
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:Or Gold on 1548 kHz? Or does the population in the London area
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by AbsoluteHow long for TalkSport on 275/285?
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
justify the cost of a single transmitter?
transmitters quite expensive to run, particularly 1548 kHz (about 25kW
of power (97.5 kW EMRP) LBC on 1152 less so (5.5 kW/27.5 kW)
massive population of the reception area?
haven't already moved to DAB/On Line
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 15:19:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if the
folk I meet are anything to go by.
I'm elderly but I haven't needed to listen to medium wave for about 60
years! I can't remember what I listened to then.
On 04/01/2023 15:10, Brian Gaff wrote:
Wikilies says 125 kilowatts, but that may be effective radiated power,
What is the actual input power of the London Brookmans Park 247m
transmitter, I wonder?
Brian
not input.
"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:k1lbqfFe8euU1@mid.individual.net...
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
At sites from which both TalkSport and Absolute 1215 are transmitted,
perhaps they should move some of the TalkSport broadcasts over to the
1215 frequency.
Having fewer transmitters operating nationally on the same frequency
would, I presume, lessen the associated reception problems for listeners
in fringe areas, especially in TalkSport's case, since nobody even
bothers to synchronise the feeds to the transmitters most of the time,
so multiple echoes can be heard in the background.
Op 4-1-2023 om 17:55 schreef John Williamson:Yes. Ofcom allowed them to reduce their EMRPs by 3dB a few years ago
On 04/01/2023 15:10, Brian Gaff wrote:
Wikilies says 125 kilowatts, but that may be effective radiated
What is the actual input power of the London Brookmans Park 247m
transmitter, I wonder?
 Brian
power, not input.
Absolute reduced the ERP's.
I think here are the actual ERP's: <http://www.mwlist.org/mwlist_quick_and_easy.php?area=1&kHz=1215>
You did not listen to any offshore station?
You did not listen to any offshore station?
Yes. Ofcom allowed them to reduce their EMRPs by 3dB a few years ago
Talk Sport (on 1089/1053) I gather operate at -6dB during daylight hours.
On 08/01/2023 14:19, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes. Ofcom allowed them to reduce their EMRPs by 3dB a few years ago
Talk Sport (on 1089/1053) I gather operate at -6dB during daylight
hours.
Do the main BBC Medium Wave transmitters increase their power at night?
Op 4-1-2023 om 16:42 schreef Stephen Wolstenholme:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 15:19:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if the >>> folk I meet are anything to go by.
I'm elderly but I haven't needed to listen to medium wave for about 60
years! I can't remember what I listened to then.
You did not listen to any offshore station?
On 08/01/2023 14:19, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes. Ofcom allowed them to reduce their EMRPs by 3dB a few years ago
Talk Sport (on 1089/1053) I gather operate at -6dB during daylight hours.
Do the main BBC Medium Wave transmitters increase their power at night?
Used to have go around every night bringing on the main transmitter at >Burghead which took about a quarter of an hour or so and lots of running >around.
Op 7-1-2023 om 23:39 schreef Alexander:
"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:k1lbqfFe8euU1@mid.individual.net...
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
At sites from which both TalkSport and Absolute 1215 are transmitted,
perhaps they should move some of the TalkSport broadcasts over to the
1215 frequency.
Having fewer transmitters operating nationally on the same frequency
would, I presume, lessen the associated reception problems for listeners
in fringe areas, especially in TalkSport's case, since nobody even
bothers to synchronise the feeds to the transmitters most of the time,
so multiple echoes can be heard in the background.
But that gets worse, if you put all transmitters on one frequency.
"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:k1lbqfFe8euU1@mid.individual.net...
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
At sites from which both TalkSport and Absolute 1215 are transmitted,
perhaps they should move some of the TalkSport broadcasts over to the
1215 frequency.
Having fewer transmitters operating nationally on the same frequency
would, I presume, lessen the associated reception problems for listeners
in fringe areas, especially in TalkSport's case, since nobody even
bothers to synchronise the feeds to the transmitters most of the time,
so multiple echoes can be heard in the background.
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and
two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning
easier.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
On Sat, 7 Jan 2023 22:39:30 -0000, "Alexander" <none@nowhere.fr>
wrote:
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648
"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message news:k1lbqfFe8euU1@mid.individual.net...
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by Absolute
Radio on Jan 23rd
The end of another era !
How long for TalkSport on 275/285?
At sites from which both TalkSport and Absolute 1215 are transmitted, >>perhaps they should move some of the TalkSport broadcasts over to the
1215 frequency.
Having fewer transmitters operating nationally on the same frequency
would, I presume, lessen the associated reception problems for listeners
in fringe areas, especially in TalkSport's case, since nobody even
bothers to synchronise the feeds to the transmitters most of the time,
so multiple echoes can be heard in the background.
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and
two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning
easier.
If they did, they won't be now.
They must be bursting to switch off the high power MW and LW stuff now.
It's said that Talk Sport are only keeping their MW transmitters going, because BBC 5Live are.
Let's see who blinks first !
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:
Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and
two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning
easier.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without
any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the
present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to
be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're anxious to shut down !
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:
Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and
two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning
easier.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without
any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the
present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to
be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think
unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're
anxious to shut down !
Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the >impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in >Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Radio Scotland (and RnG, Wales, Ulster, Cymru) all use either 92-95 (or
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and
two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning
easier.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without
any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the
present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to
be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think >>> unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're
anxious to shut down !
impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in
Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
if R4 is using those, they use the local radio sub bands which for the
BBC are 94.5 to 96.1 and 103.5 to 104.9) Or vice versa.
As there is no English style BBC local radio outside of England that's
how the BBC manage to get their 'national' stations to fit on FM (Plus a >number of Radio 3 FM transmitters in Wales were reallocated to Radio
Wales in 2018.)
So, there's no room for Radio 5 on FM. That said, BBC Local Radio is
being run down so much now, it would make sense for R5 to take over
their FM transmitters, and just have the local news as opt outs. A bit
like the old Home Service/R4 opt outs that were replaced by BBC Local
Radio. What goes around, comes around !
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and
two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning
easier.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without
any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the
present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to
be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think
unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're
anxious to shut down !
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:16:02 +0000, Mark CarverFew people listed to Radio 3 anywhere. It is even beaten by Radio 4 extra (threatened with closure)
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Radio Scotland (and RnG, Wales, Ulster, Cymru) all use either 92-95 (or
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and >>>>> two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning >>>>> easier.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without >>>> any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the
present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to >>>> be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think >>>> unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're >>>> anxious to shut down !
impression there wasnÂ’t room for an additional national network, but in >>> Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
if R4 is using those, they use the local radio sub bands which for the
BBC are 94.5 to 96.1 and 103.5 to 104.9) Or vice versa.
As there is no English style BBCÂ local radio outside of England that's
how the BBC manage to get their 'national' stations to fit on FM (Plus a
number of Radio 3 FM transmitters in Wales were reallocated to Radio
Wales in 2018.)
Has this affected coverage of R3 in Wales or is the few people listen
to R3 in cars anyway and it should be okay in the home?
On 08/01/2023 17:39, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:16:02 +0000, Mark CarverWell, it's available on DAB in most of the areas where it's gone from
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:Has this affected coverage of R3 in Wales or is the few people listen
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Radio Scotland (and RnG, Wales, Ulster, Cymru) all use either 92-95 (or
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648 >>>>>> kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and >>>>>> two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning >>>>>> easier.Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without >>>>> any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the >>>>> present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to >>>>> be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think >>>>> unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're >>>>> anxious to shut down !
impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in >>>> Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
if R4 is using those, they use the local radio sub bands which for the
BBC are 94.5 to 96.1 and 103.5 to 104.9) Or vice versa.
As there is no English style BBC local radio outside of England that's
how the BBC manage to get their 'national' stations to fit on FM (Plus a >>> number of Radio 3 FM transmitters in Wales were reallocated to Radio
Wales in 2018.)
to R3 in cars anyway and it should be okay in the home?
FM. The Llangollen transmitter is the only high power site where Radio
Wales has replaced R3, and that has a lot of overlap with Holme Moss and >Sutton C. All the other high power transmitters in Wales (and quite a
number of relays) still carry R3 and Wales.
I would propose that BBC Local Radio ditches music, (the stuff they playSo, there's no room for Radio 5 on FM. That said, BBC Local Radio isBut R5 Live is a news and sport station. Does local radio not have
being run down so much now, it would make sense for R5 to take over
their FM transmitters, and just have the local news as opt outs. A bit
like the old Home Service/R4 opt outs that were replaced by BBC Local
Radio. What goes around, comes around !
more in common with R2 (especially in Jeremy Vine mode)? In the old
days did local radio not broadcast R2 from 8 pm onwards? Local radio
could more logically be an optout from R2.
now is insipid crap and targets no one)
Therefore providing local news and sports opt outs on a national news
and sports network makes sense (to me)
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:16:02 +0000, Mark CarverWell, it's available on DAB in most of the areas where it's gone from
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:Has this affected coverage of R3 in Wales or is the few people listen
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Radio Scotland (and RnG, Wales, Ulster, Cymru) all use either 92-95 (or
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and >>>>> two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning >>>>> easier.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without >>>> any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the
present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to >>>> be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think >>>> unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're >>>> anxious to shut down !
impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in >>> Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
if R4 is using those, they use the local radio sub bands which for the
BBC are 94.5 to 96.1 and 103.5 to 104.9) Or vice versa.
As there is no English style BBCÂ local radio outside of England that's
how the BBC manage to get their 'national' stations to fit on FM (Plus a
number of Radio 3 FM transmitters in Wales were reallocated to Radio
Wales in 2018.)
to R3 in cars anyway and it should be okay in the home?
I would propose that BBC Local Radio ditches music, (the stuff they playSo, there's no room for Radio 5 on FM. That said, BBC Local Radio isBut R5 Live is a news and sport station. Does local radio not have
being run down so much now, it would make sense for R5 to take over
their FM transmitters, and just have the local news as opt outs. A bit
like the old Home Service/R4 opt outs that were replaced by BBC Local
Radio. What goes around, comes around !
more in common with R2 (especially in Jeremy Vine mode)? In the old
days did local radio not broadcast R2 from 8 pm onwards? Local radio
could more logically be an optout from R2.
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:46:34 +0000, Mark CarverWhat would they do with the R1/2/4 relays if they did that ?
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:39, Scott wrote:Does this mean FM was over-engineered in the first place? Could they
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:16:02 +0000, Mark CarverWell, it's available on DAB in most of the areas where it's gone from
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:Has this affected coverage of R3 in Wales or is the few people listen
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Radio Scotland (and RnG, Wales, Ulster, Cymru) all use either 92-95 (or >>>> if R4 is using those, they use the local radio sub bands which for the >>>> BBC are 94.5 to 96.1 and 103.5 to 104.9) Or vice versa.
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648 >>>>>>> kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and >>>>>>> two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning >>>>>>> easier.Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz >>>>>> involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will >>>>>>> apply at TalkSport. .
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without >>>>>> any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the >>>>>> present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to >>>>>> be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think >>>>>> unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're >>>>>> anxious to shut down !
impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in >>>>> Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
As there is no English style BBCÂ local radio outside of England that's >>>> how the BBC manage to get their 'national' stations to fit on FM (Plus a >>>> number of Radio 3 FM transmitters in Wales were reallocated to Radio
Wales in 2018.)
to R3 in cars anyway and it should be okay in the home?
FM. The Llangollen transmitter is the only high power site where Radio
Wales has replaced R3, and that has a lot of overlap with Holme Moss and
Sutton C. All the other high power transmitters in Wales (and quite a
number of relays) still carry R3 and Wales.
not cut some R1/R2/R4 relays as well?
But vanilla national R5 would still be available to all on DAB, MW, andThat would be logical actually if you were going to merge R5 with BBCI would propose that BBC Local Radio ditches music, (the stuff they playSo, there's no room for Radio 5 on FM. That said, BBC Local Radio isBut R5 Live is a news and sport station. Does local radio not have
being run down so much now, it would make sense for R5 to take over
their FM transmitters, and just have the local news as opt outs. A bit >>>> like the old Home Service/R4 opt outs that were replaced by BBC Local
Radio. What goes around, comes around !
more in common with R2 (especially in Jeremy Vine mode)? In the old
days did local radio not broadcast R2 from 8 pm onwards? Local radio
could more logically be an optout from R2.
now is insipid crap and targets no one)
Therefore providing local news and sports opt outs on a national news
and sports network makes sense (to me)
local. Would there not not be an illogicality though in excluding the
most popular R5 programmes (ie, during highest audience times) from
new FM? Also R5 Live covers football nationally with times likely to coincide with local matches.
On 08/01/2023 18:04, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:46:34 +0000, Mark CarverWhat would they do with the R1/2/4 relays if they did that ?
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:39, Scott wrote:Does this mean FM was over-engineered in the first place? Could they
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:16:02 +0000, Mark CarverWell, it's available on DAB in most of the areas where it's gone from
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:Has this affected coverage of R3 in Wales or is the few people listen
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Radio Scotland (and RnG, Wales, Ulster, Cymru) all use either 92-95 (or >>>>> if R4 is using those, they use the local radio sub bands which for the >>>>> BBC are 94.5 to 96.1 and 103.5 to 104.9) Or vice versa.
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the >>>>>> impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in >>>>>> Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648 >>>>>>>> kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and >>>>>>>> two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning >>>>>>>> easier.Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz >>>>>>> involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically >>>>>>> altering the height of the masts etc.
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will >>>>>>>> apply at TalkSport. .
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without >>>>>>> any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the >>>>>>> present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to >>>>>>> be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think
unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're >>>>>>> anxious to shut down !
As there is no English style BBC local radio outside of England that's >>>>> how the BBC manage to get their 'national' stations to fit on FM (Plus a >>>>> number of Radio 3 FM transmitters in Wales were reallocated to Radio >>>>> Wales in 2018.)
to R3 in cars anyway and it should be okay in the home?
FM. The Llangollen transmitter is the only high power site where Radio
Wales has replaced R3, and that has a lot of overlap with Holme Moss and >>> Sutton C. All the other high power transmitters in Wales (and quite a
number of relays) still carry R3 and Wales.
not cut some R1/R2/R4 relays as well?
But vanilla national R5 would still be available to all on DAB, MW, andThat would be logical actually if you were going to merge R5 with BBCI would propose that BBC Local Radio ditches music, (the stuff they play >>> now is insipid crap and targets no one)So, there's no room for Radio 5 on FM. That said, BBC Local Radio is >>>>> being run down so much now, it would make sense for R5 to take overBut R5 Live is a news and sport station. Does local radio not have
their FM transmitters, and just have the local news as opt outs. A bit >>>>> like the old Home Service/R4 opt outs that were replaced by BBC Local >>>>> Radio. What goes around, comes around !
more in common with R2 (especially in Jeremy Vine mode)? In the old
days did local radio not broadcast R2 from 8 pm onwards? Local radio
could more logically be an optout from R2.
Therefore providing local news and sports opt outs on a national news
and sports network makes sense (to me)
local. Would there not not be an illogicality though in excluding the
most popular R5 programmes (ie, during highest audience times) from
new FM? Also R5 Live covers football nationally with times likely to
coincide with local matches.
your smart speaker (just as it is now)
Does this mean FM was over-engineered in the first place? Could they
not cut some R1/R2/R4 relays as well?
Does this mean FM was over-engineered in the first place? Could they
not cut some R1/R2/R4 relays as well?
Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
On 08/01/2023 17:39, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2023 17:16:02 +0000, Mark CarverWell, it's available on DAB in most of the areas where it's gone from
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:Has this affected coverage of R3 in Wales or is the few people listen
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:Radio Scotland (and RnG, Wales, Ulster, Cymru) all use either 92-95 (or
On 08/01/2023 16:05, Scott wrote:Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
I thought at the time they should have moved R5 Live 909 kHz to 648 >>>>>> kHz so they would have a lower frequency with greater propagation and >>>>>> two frequencies (963 and 648) metres closer together to make retuning >>>>>> easier.Moving the frequencies of high power MF and LF more than a few kHz
I assume the reason for not doing this was cost and the same will
apply at TalkSport. .
involves lots of work on the aerial systems, and often physically
altering the height of the masts etc.
Forget it, TalkSport, R5, and R4 will be 'run into the ground' without >>>>> any changes (other than reducing the power, and slowly shrinking the >>>>> present networks)
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to >>>>> be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd
think
unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're >>>>> anxious to shut down !
impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in >>>> Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
if R4 is using those, they use the local radio sub bands which for the
BBC are 94.5 to 96.1 and 103.5 to 104.9) Or vice versa.
As there is no English style BBCÂ local radio outside of England that's >>> how the BBC manage to get their 'national' stations to fit on FM (Plus a >>> number of Radio 3 FM transmitters in Wales were reallocated to Radio
Wales in 2018.)
to R3 in cars anyway and it should be okay in the home?
FM. The Llangollen transmitter is the only high power site where Radio
Wales has replaced R3, and that has a lot of overlap with Holme Moss and Sutton C. All the other high power transmitters in Wales (and quite a
number of relays) still carry R3 and Wales.
I would propose that BBC Local Radio ditches music, (the stuff they playSo, there's no room for Radio 5 on FM. That said, BBC Local Radio isBut R5 Live is a news and sport station. Does local radio not have
being run down so much now, it would make sense for R5 to take over
their FM transmitters, and just have the local news as opt outs. A bit
like the old Home Service/R4 opt outs that were replaced by BBC Local
Radio. What goes around, comes around !
more in common with R2 (especially in Jeremy Vine mode)? In the old
days did local radio not broadcast R2 from 8 pm onwards? Local radio
could more logically be an optout from R2.
now is insipid crap and targets no one)
Therefore providing local news and sports opt outs on a national news
and sports network makes sense (to me)
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:
Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in
Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
Why when it is on DAB?
On 08/01/2023 18:04, Scott wrote:
Does this mean FM was over-engineered in the first place? Could they
not cut some R1/R2/R4 relays as well?
Why is it over-engineered?
It's technically possible for TalkSport of R5 to take over the soon to
be shut down 1215 kHz transmitters at their present sites, but I'd think unlikely. What's the point of improving reception on a platform you're anxious to shut down !
Llangollen FM Tx - ah, I remember it well. Locally known as the
Ponderosa after the cafe at the top of the Horseshoe Pass where you
turned off up a track to get to the site. Once unable to get to the site
due to an ice field - when we went back in a hired Land Rover the ice
field turned out to be about 15ft wide and maybe 30yds long but you
still couldn't drive through it. Fortunately there is another track that
was passable.
Those were the days when Ambulance radio was on high band! Ahh.......
I would propose that BBC Local Radio ditches music, (the stuff they play
now is insipid crap and targets no one)
Therefore providing local news and sports opt outs on a national news
and sports network makes sense (to me)
Speaking of GHR, the former 'Signal 1' 96.4 FM frequency in Cheshire was today reassigned to carry GHR, but (at time of posting) the L and R
stereo channels are 180 degrees out of phase, so when listening in mono
you hear only the stereo difference signal... oops :-)
Op 4-1-2023 om 16:42 schreef Stephen Wolstenholme:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 15:19:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>
wrote:
I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if the >>> folk I meet are anything to go by.
I'm elderly but I haven't needed to listen to medium wave for about 60
years! I can't remember what I listened to then.
You did not listen to any offshore station?
On 08/01/2023 17:06, Tweed wrote:
Is there any scope for squeezing R5 onto FM? I was always under the
impression there wasn’t room for an additional national network, but in
Berwick you can get R1-4 plus Radio Scotland.
Why when it is on DAB?
For years (I think a decade or more) its RDS ident said "BBCymru_"
which I think indicates a loss of main programme feed?
Because DAB wasn't invented when the decision was made to add R4 to
the Scottish FM transmitters. I understand this was to provide night
time coverage for both R4 and Radio Scotland, allowing the two to be
fully separated (Radio Scotland carried R4 programmes in the
evenings).
Lots of cars don’t have DAB radios still. But I guess most will as the older vehicles head to the scrap heap. Is DAB standard in new cars, or
still a premium option?
On 09/01/2023 00:06, Scott wrote:
Because DAB wasn't invented when the decision was made to add R4 to
the Scottish FM transmitters. I understand this was to provide night
time coverage for both R4 and Radio Scotland, allowing the two to be
fully separated (Radio Scotland carried R4 programmes in the
evenings).
Much of the Highlands and Islands had no coverage for Radio 1 and Radio
4 until many sites were re-engineered with all six services.
As I noted a few days ago, the H&I were served on VHF FM when most of
the rest of the country just had the main stations so sites had rather >elderly equipment like the VRFM and VIFM (I think those were the names -
long time ago, probably EP7/2 and EP7/5 but guessing).
The VRFM was mainly valved with just Germanium transistors in the
oscillator which was in big vacuum 'flask'. I think the VIFM was the
first generation solid state VHF FM transposer with 'bookshelf' modules.
So it was a big improvement to have all these replaced with what was
then the current VHF FM transmitter - they moved from transposers to
receiver + transmitter. Some were installed with just the original
three services then Radio nan Gaidheal was added as coverage was
extended from the original coverage of just the Gaeltacht.
On 09/01/2023 07:08, Tweed wrote:
Lots of cars don’t have DAB radios still. But I guess most will as the older vehicles head to the scrap heap. Is DAB standard in new cars, or still a premium option?
It seems to be standard on just about all new cars.
You did mention this before but what stations did H&I receive on FM
other than the 'main stations'? Are you thinking of Radio Orkney and
Radio Shetland, which I understand were only opt-outs from Radio
Scotland using the same frequency? The R1 rollout started in London
AIR then extended to main transmitters (each opened by a different
DJ). I thought the first transmitter in Scotland to receive R4 FM was Blackhill (I remember because the frequency was the same as Capital
Radio in London).
Why the terminating _? RDS names can have spaces, even between words.
On 09/01/2023 08:36, MB wrote:
On 09/01/2023 02:04, Alexander wrote:
For years (I think a decade or more) its RDS ident said "BBCymru_"
which I think indicates a loss of main programme feed?
The most obvious PS would have been "BBC_CYMRU" but that has too many
characters, "BBCCYMRU" looks messy so I presume "BBCYMRU_" was decided
as a reasonable compromise.
Why the terminating _? RDS names can have spaces, even between words.
On BBC FM it's normally to indicate loss of main programme feed
and use of a backup.
On 09/01/2023 02:04, Alexander wrote:
For years (I think a decade or more) its RDS ident said "BBCymru_"
which I think indicates a loss of main programme feed?
The most obvious PS would have been "BBC_CYMRU" but that has too many characters, "BBCCYMRU" looks messy so I presume "BBCYMRU_" was decided
as a reasonable compromise.
On 09/01/2023 01:49, Alexander wrote:
Speaking of GHR, the former 'Signal 1' 96.4 FM frequency in Cheshire was
today reassigned to carry GHR, but (at time of posting) the L and R
stereo channels are 180 degrees out of phase, so when listening in mono
you hear only the stereo difference signal... oops :-)
So presumably much of the music gets transformed into a weird karaoke version without any vocals! (on a mono radio)
On 09/01/2023 09:56, Scott wrote:
You did mention this before but what stations did H&I receive on FM
other than the 'main stations'? Are you thinking of Radio Orkney and
Radio Shetland, which I understand were only opt-outs from Radio
Scotland using the same frequency? The R1 rollout started in London
AIR then extended to main transmitters (each opened by a different
DJ). I thought the first transmitter in Scotland to receive R4 FM was
Blackhill (I remember because the frequency was the same as Capital
Radio in London).
Originally Light, Third, (Scottish) Home Service
Became Radio 2, Radio 3 and Radio Scotland. In the Highlands for a time
Radio Scotland was branded Radio Highland but that became just an opt
out for a local news bulletin once a day I think.
Radio 1 and Radio 4 in the Highland came long after the central belt.
Many sites with previously no VHF FM radio had it added though I think
Radio 1 and Radio 4 often were added later. Nearly all the smaller ones >relied on an off-air signal so could not have started before the local
main stations.
On 09/01/2023 11:22, Max Demian wrote:
Why the terminating _? RDS names can have spaces, even between words.
I think the "_" just displays as a space on the car radio. Perhaps PS
has to be eight characters long - the RDS specification is online.
I have seen RDS used to transmit the name and title of the current song
and even the phone number of the station in places outside the UK. The
radio display has to be at least 8 characters, and longer strings are displayed by scrolling on most sets I've used.
On in car systems with a decent display, more than just the 8 characters
are displayed, but I've never bothered checking whether that is from a
local look up table or transmitted. When thinking about setting up a restricted licence station, I never got that far into the transmitter details.
On 09/01/2023 12:15, John Williamson wrote:
I have seen RDS used to transmit the name and title of the current song
and even the phone number of the station in places outside the UK. The
radio display has to be at least 8 characters, and longer strings are
displayed by scrolling on most sets I've used.
On in car systems with a decent display, more than just the 8 characters
are displayed, but I've never bothered checking whether that is from a
local look up table or transmitted. When thinking about setting up a
restricted licence station, I never got that far into the transmitter
details.
Scrolling RDS displays have been discussed before and I think that if
not actually banned, they are discouraged because of being distracting
to drivers.
Tweed wrote:
Lots of cars don’t have DAB radios still.
It seems to be standard on just about all new cars.
"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in message news:k21e32Fpi4aU2@mid.individual.net...
On 09/01/2023 01:49, Alexander wrote:
Speaking of GHR, the former 'Signal 1' 96.4 FM frequency in Cheshire was >>> today reassigned to carry GHR, but (at time of posting) the L and R
stereo channels are 180 degrees out of phase, so when listening in mono
you hear only the stereo difference signal... oops :-)
So presumably much of the music gets transformed into a weird karaoke
version without any vocals! (on a mono radio)
It's been fixed now, but yes, during the fault most vocals disappeared,
as did DJ and Ad voiceovers, when listening in mono.
Also of note: I've had to rotate my antenna 90 degrees to receive the
signal, vs the 'Signal 1' broadcast that had been using the same 96.4 frequency until yesterday, so I assume they've changed something,
perhaps to provide an altered coverage area for the new service?
I have noticed some similar screw-up with the TV sound on More4 late at
night recently. Makes it horrible to listen to on my TV's built in
speakers. It screws with my ability to hear where sounds are coming from
if I listen to it for any length of time.
It's the same screw-up on both Freeview and satellite, and present both during adverts and during programs.
Weird.
On 08/01/2023 14:00, Rink wrote:> Op 4-1-2023 om 16:42 schreef Stephen Wolstenholme:>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 15:19:21 -0000, "Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com>>> wrote:>>>>> I'd imagine the main people listening to medium wave are elderly, if the>>> folkI meet are anything to go by.>>>> I'm elderly but I haven't needed to listen to medium wave for about 60>> years! I can't remember what I listened to then.>>> > > You did not listen to any offshore station?> > or Radio Luxembourg?-- Brian Gregory (in
For those who may have missed it, they gave the frequency a memorable send-off, with archive audio clips covering its 70+ year history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBFscgMBHU
On 21/01/2023 21:39, Alexander wrote:
For those who may have missed it, they gave the frequency a memorableIt was excellent, right back to '247m' being the MW 'fill in' service
send-off, with archive audio clips covering its 70+ year history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuBFscgMBHU
for The Light Programme.
Nicely done.
On 22/01/2023 15:20, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:14:27 +0000, ScottI don't think the BBC are terribly interested in their own engineering >heritage sadly.
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
PS 5 Live will be interesting as they will have to make two!
Talk Sport might do something the mark the history of 275 and 285 when
the time comes, but again two differing histories
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 15:14:27 +0000, ScottI don't think the BBC are terribly interested in their own engineering
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
PS 5 Live will be interesting as they will have to make two!
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:No, 405 lines from 1936. There were lower resolutions earlier than that
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:Was the system 405 lines in 1936? I thought it started at much lower resolution. .
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
On 22/01/2023 16:36, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John WilliamsonNo, 405 lines from 1936. There were lower resolutions earlier than that
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:Was the system 405 lines in 1936? I thought it started at much lower
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
resolution. .
as experiential services only.
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think something
happened.
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:38:14 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:36, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John WilliamsonNo, 405 lines from 1936. There were lower resolutions earlier than that
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:Was the system 405 lines in 1936? I thought it started at much lower
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
resolution. .
as experiential services only.
Thanks. I was confused. I thought it was the experimental service
that started in 1936.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:38:14 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:36, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John WilliamsonNo, 405 lines from 1936. There were lower resolutions earlier than that
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:Was the system 405 lines in 1936? I thought it started at much lower
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
resolution. .
as experiential services only.
Thanks. I was confused. I thought it was the experimental service
that started in 1936.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:BBC Wales did it with far more style for Wenvoe
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:End of BBC 2 analogue in London:
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIJXiv9jS8s
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
On 22/01/2023 17:41, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John WilliamsonBBC Wales did it with far more style for Wenvoe
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:End of BBC 2 analogue in London:
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIJXiv9jS8s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Er4UyIqC2s4
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:38:14 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:36, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John WilliamsonNo, 405 lines from 1936. There were lower resolutions earlier than that
<johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:Was the system 405 lines in 1936? I thought it started at much lower
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
resolution. .
as experiential services only.
Thanks. I was confused. I thought it was the experimental service
that started in 1936.
On Sun, 22 Jan 2023 16:25:58 +0000, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
On 22/01/2023 16:04, Scott wrote:
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think somethingAs shown on 625 lines BBC1 on the night. Some interesting style
happened.
reminders for us now, then, an announcement at 03:37.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHsxmt351Xw
End of BBC 2 analogue in London:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIJXiv9jS8s
That ship has sailed on modern cars, there's sensory overload of
dashboard distractions now ! (Mostly with software written by someone
who has clearly never driven a vehicle)
Few people listed to Radio 3 anywhere. It is even beaten by Radio 4 extra (threatened with closure)
What did they do when VHF television closed? I think something
happened.
I don't think the BBC are terribly interested in their own engineering heritage sadly.
Because DAB wasn't invented when the decision was made to add R4 to
the Scottish FM transmitters. I understand this was to provide night
time coverage for both R4 and Radio Scotland, allowing the two to be
fully separated (Radio Scotland carried R4 programmes in the
evenings).
Thanks. I was confused. I thought it was the experimental service
that started in 1936.
On 08/01/2023 17:47, Tweed wrote:
Few people listed to Radio 3 anywhere. It is even beaten by Radio 4 extra (threatened with closure)
It was well known for Radio 3 being found off on small sites with no monitoring but not having being reported.
MANY years ago when we were line fed, I noticed some crosstalk on Radio
3. I had a listen after close down and worked out that it was TV sound.
I queried it but of course no one back down the distribution chain
could hear it. I think the only listener complaint came from the West
coast of Skye.
It was eventually found to have got into the whole distribution network around Holme Moss I think and everywhere North of there affected.
I rembember that one. It was happening on a line between Newcastle and Aberdeen. Kirk o Shots was a stereo service, so wasn't affected
On 24/01/2023 09:02, charles wrote:
I rembember that one. It was happening on a line between Newcastle and Aberdeen. Kirk o Shots was a stereo service, so wasn't affected
Just always amused me that the HiFi purists never noticed it!
HiFi on a mono BT Music circuit? you must be joking. Mind you I was
involved in looking at an R3 relay in South Wales which had carrier - but
no modulation. TMT said "that can't happen", so never investigated.
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:51:56 +0000, Mark CarverAt time of writing it seems Brookmans Park and Moorside Edge are still
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used byI was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
On 24/01/2023 17:35, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:51:56 +0000, Mark CarverAt time of writing it seems Brookmans Park and Moorside Edge are still
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used byI was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local
transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
on the air
On 24/01/2023 09:02, charles wrote:
I rembember that one. It was happening on a line between Newcastle and
Aberdeen. Kirk o Shots was a stereo service, so wasn't affected
Just always amused me that the HiFi purists never noticed it!
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:51:56 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by >Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
I was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 19:33:01 +0000, Mark CarverI would have thought so, Radio Scotland 810 is easily receivable down
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/01/2023 17:35, Scott wrote:Could I get Moorside Edge in the Glasgow area (with a very weak
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:51:56 +0000, Mark CarverAt time of writing it seems Brookmans Park and Moorside Edge are still
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used byI was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local
transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
on the air
signal)? This would explain it.
On 24/01/2023 19:50, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 19:33:01 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
I would have thought so, Radio Scotland 810 is easily receivable downOn 24/01/2023 17:35, Scott wrote:Could I get Moorside Edge in the Glasgow area (with a very weak
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:51:56 +0000, Mark CarverAt time of writing it seems Brookmans Park and Moorside Edge are still
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by >>>> Absolute Radio on Jan 23rdI was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local
transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
on the air
signal)? This would explain it.
here in Hampshire from Westerglen.
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
I was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
Scott wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
I was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local
transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
one-by-one according to this ...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqB-GTTBBo>
On 26/01/2023 17:08, Andy Burns wrote:
Scott wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by
Absolute Radio on Jan 23rd
I was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local
transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
one-by-one according to this ...
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqB-GTTBBo>
I don't know where the 200 kW power comes from, Moorside Edge 1215 was
100 kW, (and had been running at 50 kW for the last few years)
I thought the IBA and its successors measured the power differently to
the BBC but this could be (another) misunderstanding on my part.
Capital Gold use an AM transmitter to the North West of London, with a directional antenna which gives a weak signal in East London, as it is
aimed at central and west London.
There are two methods of measuring transmitter power. Input power, and Effective Radiated Power. They are very rarely the same.
In article <tqo3us$25l5$2@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 08/01/2023 17:47, Tweed wrote:
Few people listed to Radio 3 anywhere. It is even beaten by Radio 4 extra >>> (threatened with closure)
It was well known for Radio 3 being found off on small sites with no
monitoring but not having being reported.
MANY years ago when we were line fed, I noticed some crosstalk on Radio
3. I had a listen after close down and worked out that it was TV sound.
I queried it but of course no one back down the distribution chain
could hear it. I think the only listener complaint came from the West
coast of Skye.
It was eventually found to have got into the whole distribution network
around Holme Moss I think and everywhere North of there affected.
I rembember that one. It was happening on a line between Newcastle and Aberdeen. Kirk o Shots was a stereo service, so wasn't affected
A possible 'connection' could have been that BBC1 Sound (SiS) was used overnight for Unguarded Hour (UGH) protection, and carried Radio 3. So
there would be a number of places where there would be a Radio 3 Distribution/BBC1 Sound changeover relay...
Rather more frequent was to notice certain BBC1 UHF transmitters putting
out Radio 3 because they hadn't shut down quickly enough at night.
On Wed, 25 Jan 2023 08:48:18 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/01/2023 19:50, Scott wrote:I saw something last night saying the last transmitter to shut down
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 19:33:01 +0000, Mark CarverI would have thought so, Radio Scotland 810 is easily receivable down
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/01/2023 17:35, Scott wrote:Could I get Moorside Edge in the Glasgow area (with a very weak
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:51:56 +0000, Mark CarverAt time of writing it seems Brookmans Park and Moorside Edge are still >>>> on the air
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by >>>>>> Absolute Radio on Jan 23rdI was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the >>>>> car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be >>>>> heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local
transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
signal)? This would explain it.
here in Hampshire from Westerglen.
was Lisnagarvey. Could this have been the signal I was receiving
(rather than Moorside Edge)?
On 24/01/2023 19:50, Scott wrote:
On Tue, 24 Jan 2023 19:33:01 +0000, Mark CarverI would have thought so, Radio Scotland 810 is easily receivable down
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 24/01/2023 17:35, Scott wrote:Could I get Moorside Edge in the Glasgow area (with a very weak
On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 12:51:56 +0000, Mark CarverAt time of writing it seems Brookmans Park and Moorside Edge are still
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
Bauer are to shut down the MW network on 1215 kHz (aka 247m) used by >>>>> Absolute Radio on Jan 23rdI was listening to the Absolute loop this afternoon (Jan 24th) in the
car. The signal was very weak and engine interference noise could be
heard. At first I wondered if they had reduced the power but the
signal was so bad I now wonder if Arqiva have turned off the local
transmitter (Westerglen) and I was receiving a distant transmitter.
I assumed the whole network would be shut down simultaneously.
on the air
signal)? This would explain it.
here in Hampshire from Westerglen.
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