Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some radio channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was pointing for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up there as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error correction than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up
there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very sensitive. A few weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my block was down, [1] and
I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG was still updated, and some radio (but not TV) recordings just about worked in an intermittent way.
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:tok2tl$adlk$3@dont-email.me...
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some
radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station
they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels
up there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very sensitive. A
few weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my block was down,
[1] and I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG was still updated,
and some radio (but not TV) recordings just about worked in an
intermittent way.
What is the default behaviour for a Freeview / DVB-T2 box tuner these
days? I know some will display the region(s) that they find during
scanning, and will ask you to choose which one you want. But in the
absence of offering that choice, do they store all the channels that
they find, with duplicates numbered with LCNs above 800? Or do they
look for the strongest / best quality version of one mux, find which
region it is, and then only display the channels for that region's
muxes - avoiding duplicate channels in the 800s?
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:tok2tl$adlk$3@dont-email.me...
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some
radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they >>> were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels
up there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very sensitive. A
few weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my block was down,
[1] and I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG was still updated,
and some radio (but not TV) recordings just about worked in an
intermittent way.
What is the default behaviour for a Freeview / DVB-T2 box tuner these
days? I know some will display the region(s) that they find during
scanning, and will ask you to choose which one you want. But in the
absence of offering that choice, do they store all the channels that
they find, with duplicates numbered with LCNs above 800? Or do they look
for the strongest / best quality version of one mux, find which region
it is, and then only display the channels for that region's muxes -
avoiding duplicate channels in the 800s?
I can't try it because I can only receive one transmitter - unless I
point an aerial almost 180 degrees to normal to pick up Bilsdale rather
than Belmont.
On Thu 29/12/2022 18:07, NY wrote:
I can't try it because I can only receive one transmitter - unless I
point an aerial almost 180 degrees to normal to pick up Bilsdale
rather than Belmont.
You don't need to do any aerial swivelling, or at least you won't by
about Easter next year. It looks - from a distance driving past it last
week - that the build of the new mast at Bilsdale is well along. Arqiva applied for a separate free-standing triangular tower of 78m which was granted close to the new guyed mast. That tower looks to be complete,
and the new guyed mast could be getting on for twice that height which suggests it is about half way to full height. When complete you should
be able to get Bilsdale off the back of your Belmont aerial - unless you
live in one of those deep cuts in the Lincs Wolds!
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some radio channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was pointing for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up there as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error correction than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
Brian
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up
there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very sensitive. A few weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my block was down, [1] and
I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG was still updated, and some radio (but not TV) recordings just about worked in an intermittent way.
[1] The suppliers switched off the smart meter in error and took three
days to reconnect it, so there were no lights &c. in the common areas. The fire brigade were ringing the block managers to complain that the fire
alarm was out of action.
--
Max Demian
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:tok2tl$adlk$3@dont-email.me...
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some
radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they >>> were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up
there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very sensitive. A few
weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my block was down, [1] and
I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG was still updated, and some
radio (but not TV) recordings just about worked in an intermittent way.
What is the default behaviour for a Freeview / DVB-T2 box tuner these
days? I know some will display the region(s) that they find during
scanning, and will ask you to choose which one you want. But in the
absence of offering that choice, do they store all the channels that they find, with duplicates numbered with LCNs above 800? Or do they look for
the strongest / best quality version of one mux, find which region it is,
and then only display the channels for that region's muxes - avoiding duplicate channels in the 800s?
I can't try it because I can only receive one transmitter - unless I point
an aerial almost 180 degrees to normal to pick up Bilsdale rather than Belmont.
One could be a radio station that's in the middle of moving from one multiplex to another. Several, I don't know.
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up
there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
Brian
--
Brian Gregory (in England).
Does anyone actually listen using their tv to all those mono versions of stations available in stereo on fm and DAB nowadays?
My last look at them showed all the bbc channels that are normally in
stereo except the local radios are in stereo, as is Car sick FM, but all
the others, Smooth, TWR all bbc locals, and sundry greatest hits and gold stations and of course talk sport/radio lbc and heart and others are all
in mono and quite often very bad mono in that the tonal quality sounds
like its intended to go out over medium wave, no real bass, and a lot of middle.
On Thu 29/12/2022 18:07, NY wrote:
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:tok2tl$adlk$3@dont-email.me...
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some
radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station
they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels
up there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very sensitive.
A few weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my block was
down, [1] and I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG was still
updated, and some radio (but not TV) recordings just about worked in
an intermittent way.
What is the default behaviour for a Freeview / DVB-T2 box tuner these
days? I know some will display the region(s) that they find during
scanning, and will ask you to choose which one you want. But in the
absence of offering that choice, do they store all the channels that
they find, with duplicates numbered with LCNs above 800? Or do they
look for the strongest / best quality version of one mux, find which
region it is, and then only display the channels for that region's
muxes - avoiding duplicate channels in the 800s?
I can't try it because I can only receive one transmitter - unless I
point an aerial almost 180 degrees to normal to pick up Bilsdale
rather than Belmont.
You don't need to do any aerial swivelling, or at least you won't by
about Easter next year. It looks - from a distance driving past it
last week - that the build of the new mast at Bilsdale is well along.
Arqiva applied for a separate free-standing triangular tower of 78m
which was granted close to the new guyed mast. That tower looks to be complete, and the new guyed mast could be getting on for twice that
height which suggests it is about half way to full height. When
complete you should be able to get Bilsdale off the back of your
Belmont aerial - unless you live in one of those deep cuts in the
Lincs Wolds!
One could be a radio station that's in the middle of moving from one multiplex to another. Several, I don't know.
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some
radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels
up there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
On 29/12/2022 22:22, Woody wrote:
On Thu 29/12/2022 18:07, NY wrote:The new guyed mast will be the same height as the original mast, about 315 metres. That's 4 times the height of the present temporary tower.
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:tok2tl$adlk$3@dont-email.me...
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some >>>>> radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station
they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s >>>>> channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels
up there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same >>>>> multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very sensitive.
A few weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my block was
down, [1] and I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG was still
updated, and some radio (but not TV) recordings just about worked in
an intermittent way.
What is the default behaviour for a Freeview / DVB-T2 box tuner these
days? I know some will display the region(s) that they find during
scanning, and will ask you to choose which one you want. But in the
absence of offering that choice, do they store all the channels that
they find, with duplicates numbered with LCNs above 800? Or do they
look for the strongest / best quality version of one mux, find which
region it is, and then only display the channels for that region's
muxes - avoiding duplicate channels in the 800s?
I can't try it because I can only receive one transmitter - unless I
point an aerial almost 180 degrees to normal to pick up Bilsdale
rather than Belmont.
You don't need to do any aerial swivelling, or at least you won't by
about Easter next year. It looks - from a distance driving past it
last week - that the build of the new mast at Bilsdale is well along.
Arqiva applied for a separate free-standing triangular tower of 78m
which was granted close to the new guyed mast. That tower looks to be
complete, and the new guyed mast could be getting on for twice that
height which suggests it is about half way to full height. When
complete you should be able to get Bilsdale off the back of your
Belmont aerial - unless you live in one of those deep cuts in the
Lincs Wolds!
Does anyone actually listen using their tv to all those mono versions of stations available in stereo on fm and DAB nowadays?
On 29/12/2022 22:22, Woody wrote:
On Thu 29/12/2022 18:07, NY wrote:
I can't try it because I can only receive one transmitter - unless I
point an aerial almost 180 degrees to normal to pick up Bilsdale
rather than Belmont.
You don't need to do any aerial swivelling, or at least you won't by
about Easter next year. It looks - from a distance driving past it
last week - that the build of the new mast at Bilsdale is well along.
Arqiva applied for a separate free-standing triangular tower of 78m
which was granted close to the new guyed mast. That tower looks to be
complete, and the new guyed mast could be getting on for twice that
height which suggests it is about half way to full height. When
complete you should be able to get Bilsdale off the back of your
Belmont aerial - unless you live in one of those deep cuts in the
Lincs Wolds!
I think I probably would. I live a few miles west of Bridlington, so
Belmont is almost due south and Bilsdale is north west. I presume most aerials are fairly "deaf" to signals coming from almost directly behind
- but your comment about "off the back of your Belmont aerial" suggests
that maybe I'm wrong. I couldn't pick up any detectable Bilsdale signal
from the old mast before it caught fire.
Interestingly, when we lived near Leyburn, a Bilsdale=facing aerial
could pick up quite a usable Belmont signal (although Belmont was about
45 degrees off-axis) when there was signal lift. And in the past the
same aerial has *apparently* picked up Emley Moor, according to a
comment made by the aerial installation guy at the local TV shop who
came to investigate sudden poor reception (diagnosed as a bad cable or cable-socket joint). I didn't know enough about digital TV and multiplex frequencies in those days to ask whether it was actually Emley Moor
itself (which seems highly unlikely given the terrain!) or an Emley Moor relay (eg Kettlewell, Grassington or Heyshaw) that was a bit closer. In
other words, I wonder whether he saying "it's Emley" based purely on
which local news programme he saw when he was there.
On Fri 30/12/2022 10:55, Mark Carver wrote:
On 29/12/2022 22:22, Woody wrote:
On Thu 29/12/2022 18:07, NY wrote:The new guyed mast will be the same height as the original mast,
"Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
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On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found
some radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what
station they
were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I
was pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at
700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV
channels up there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same >>>>>> multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
They might be Hannington. Modern digital tuners are very
sensitive. A few weeks ago the TV aerial distribution system in my
block was down, [1] and I couldn't receive anything, but the EPG
was still updated, and some radio (but not TV) recordings just
about worked in an intermittent way.
What is the default behaviour for a Freeview / DVB-T2 box tuner
these days? I know some will display the region(s) that they find
during scanning, and will ask you to choose which one you want. But
in the absence of offering that choice, do they store all the
channels that they find, with duplicates numbered with LCNs above
800? Or do they look for the strongest / best quality version of
one mux, find which region it is, and then only display the
channels for that region's muxes - avoiding duplicate channels in
the 800s?
I can't try it because I can only receive one transmitter - unless
I point an aerial almost 180 degrees to normal to pick up Bilsdale
rather than Belmont.
You don't need to do any aerial swivelling, or at least you won't by
about Easter next year. It looks - from a distance driving past it
last week - that the build of the new mast at Bilsdale is well
along. Arqiva applied for a separate free-standing triangular tower
of 78m which was granted close to the new guyed mast. That tower
looks to be complete, and the new guyed mast could be getting on for
twice that height which suggests it is about half way to full
height. When complete you should be able to get Bilsdale off the
back of your Belmont aerial - unless you live in one of those deep
cuts in the Lincs Wolds!
about 315 metres. That's 4 times the height of the present temporary
tower.
Not quite Mark. The old mast was 1030ft whereas the top of the DAB
array at the very top of the new mast will be 1005ft - not that 25ft
will make any difference of course!
"Brian Gaff" <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote in message news:tomb4g$kiv0$1@dont-email.me...
Does anyone actually listen using their tv to all those mono versions of
stations available in stereo on fm and DAB nowadays?
My last look at them showed all the bbc channels that are normally in
stereo except the local radios are in stereo, as is Car sick FM, but all
the others, Smooth, TWR all bbc locals, and sundry greatest hits and gold
stations and of course talk sport/radio lbc and heart and others are all
in mono and quite often very bad mono in that the tonal quality sounds
like its intended to go out over medium wave, no real bass, and a lot of
middle.
I tend to listen to R4 on Freeview - or at least to record radio programme from Freeview. It's easier than trying to get decent hiss-free stereo FM
(on a radio that only has its own telescopic aerial) and it's a lot easier than setting up equipment to do a timed recording from FM.
On 30/12/2022 09:30, Brian Gaff wrote:
Does anyone actually listen using their tv to all those mono versions of
stations available in stereo on fm and DAB nowadays?
Occasionally when I cannot be bothered going through to get the DAB
receiver, usually to listen to Radio 4 Extra or 6 Music which are not avalable on VHF FM.
I despair of BBC radio, Ken Bruce is usually considered the best presenter
on Radio 2 and whilst he is on holiday they have someone taking his place
who would be lucky to get taken on by hospital radio.
I am forever grateful for the USB socket on my Roberts radio.
On 30/12/2022 03:42, Brian Gregory wrote:
One could be a radio station that's in the middle of moving from oneUntil I fitted a channelised filter system that only lets through my
multiplex to another. Several, I don't know.
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they >>> were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up
there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
'wanted' 8 muxes, I used to get all manner of stuff filling up 800+.
Some tellies will do a scan after you return them to standby. The giveaway
is their power consumption steps down to 30 or so watts for three of four mins, before then going down to a watt or so.
Stuff from any direction, and the near continent wasn't heard of, though
only during a lift period.
Yes they could do worse thatn harvest some of the soon to be redundant local >radio presenters for Radio 2. Most seem to be a head and shoulders better >than the stand ins they get these days on radio 2 etc. I do find Ken Bruse a >little patronising at times though, I get the impression that he is almost >saying, why do I have to play this crap on the radio when there is much >better music out there.
He has to toe the line or be out I'd imagine.
Brian
On 30/12/2022 03:42, Brian Gregory wrote:
One could be a radio station that's in the middle of moving from oneUntil I fitted a channelised filter system that only lets through my
multiplex to another. Several, I don't know.
On 29/12/2022 10:53, Brian Gaff wrote:
Last night I went all the way through the channels and found some radio
channels up in the 800s, but they did not actually say what station they >>> were, only the show running.
Now I don't know of any other transmitter in the direction I was
pointing
for Crystal Palace and although some were duplicates of those at 700s
channels some were not. There were of course also a few TV channels up
there
as well, but they seemed to come and go, so if they were on the same
multiplex the results would seem to suggest they had worse error
correction
than the radio. Very odd, no lift conditions to speak of either.
'wanted' 8 muxes, I used to get all manner of stuff filling up 800+.
Some tellies will do a scan after you return them to standby. The giveaway
is their power consumption steps down to 30 or so watts for three of four mins, before then going down to a watt or so.
Stuff from any direction, and the near continent wasn't heard of, though
only during a lift period.
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