• LED strip lightconversion

    From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 10 10:24:13 2022
    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

    Brian


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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Nov 10 10:39:39 2022
    Do you really want LED strip? Most people replace fluorescent tubes
    with LED tubes. If your light has a starter can be done without
    rewiring by swapping the starter.


    On 10/11/2022 10:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

    Brian



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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Nov 10 10:34:11 2022
    On 10/11/2022 10:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

    Brian


    If you check the pin spacing, these claim to be plug and play replacements.

    https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Lighting_Menu_Index/Lamps_and_Tubes_Index/LED_Tubes/index.html

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to All on Thu Nov 10 11:37:29 2022
    On Thu 10/11/2022 10:24, Brian Gaff wrote:

    It depends which type of double tube assembly you have Brian. If it has
    two tubes and one starter then you will need the type suggested by
    another contributor which has a new ballast and two starters.

    If your existing assembly has two chokes and two starters then all you
    need is the tubes as they are supplied with a replacement starter as
    well. The 'fat' tubes at 1½ inch diameter are known as T12 and you may
    have difficulty finding a replacement. The common tubes these days are
    T8 and one inch diameter - they are very widely available.

    Although it may not affect you do note that almost anything other than
    cool white (and even then possibly not) give out less light than and
    equivalent fluorescent.




    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

    Brian



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  • From Adrian Caspersz@21:1/5 to Woody on Thu Nov 10 12:49:28 2022
    On 10/11/2022 11:37, Woody wrote:

    Although it may not affect you do note that almost anything other than
    cool white (and even then possibly not) give out less light than and equivalent fluorescent.


    Yup, but cool white makes the kitchen feel as cold as an coroners
    autopsy room.

    When I did a swap with TLCs finest, I bought both warm and cold types
    and settled for warmth.

    The light was a bit less, but after a few days not that noticeable.

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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to Woody on Thu Nov 10 14:45:29 2022
    Top posted for Brian.

    T8 LED tubes fit T12 fixtures. The pin spacings and lengths are the
    same. Only the wiring may differ.




    On 10/11/2022 11:37, Woody wrote:
    On Thu 10/11/2022 10:24, Brian Gaff wrote:

    It depends which type of double tube assembly you have Brian. If it has
    two tubes and one starter then you will need the type suggested by
    another contributor which has a new ballast and two starters.

    If your existing assembly has two chokes and two starters then all you
    need is the tubes as they are supplied with a replacement starter as
    well. The 'fat' tubes at 1½ inch diameter are known as T12 and you may
    have difficulty finding a replacement. The common tubes these days are
    T8 and one inch diameter - they are very widely available.

    Although it may not affect you do note that almost anything other than
    cool white (and even then possibly not) give out less light than and equivalent fluorescent.




    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the
    ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

      Brian




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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Woody on Fri Nov 11 09:53:54 2022
    They are the fat tubes, the fitting has two of everything including
    starters.

    It seems silly to carry on with what is there, since people tell me they
    look a little dim anyway. Obviously myself I do not use the light, but
    others who come into my house do. I have a single one of the same type in
    the Kitchen as well, most of the other lights are CFLs and when they pop
    their clogs I'll try to find electrically quiet LEDs, That is another issue, RFI for somebody who wants to use a radio for short waves of course but I
    can turn them off of course. Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:tkinpp$hnsp$2@dont-email.me...
    On Thu 10/11/2022 10:24, Brian Gaff wrote:

    It depends which type of double tube assembly you have Brian. If it has
    two tubes and one starter then you will need the type suggested by another contributor which has a new ballast and two starters.

    If your existing assembly has two chokes and two starters then all you
    need is the tubes as they are supplied with a replacement starter as well. The 'fat' tubes at 1½ inch diameter are known as T12 and you may have difficulty finding a replacement. The common tubes these days are T8 and
    one inch diameter - they are very widely available.

    Although it may not affect you do note that almost anything other than
    cool white (and even then possibly not) give out less light than and equivalent fluorescent.




    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the
    ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

    Brian




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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 11 09:48:38 2022
    Well depends what you mean, I think I mean I don't know what they might call
    a pin for pin replacement tube with leds in it. I'd assumed you removed the starters, but should you also remove the choke and capacitor as well or are they effectively removed by removing the starters and the way the
    replacements are designed electrically.
    Brian

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    "Robin" <rbw@outlook.com> wrote in message news:dc96a544-ae24-4c2c-63a6-0c1f526953e9@outlook.com...
    Do you really want LED strip? Most people replace fluorescent tubes with
    LED tubes. If your light has a starter can be done without rewiring by swapping the starter.


    On 10/11/2022 10:24, Brian Gaff wrote:
    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the
    ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

    Brian



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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Adrian Caspersz on Fri Nov 11 09:56:58 2022
    But this was always the same with the original tubes. Back in the day, my Barber had two of these fittings and had all four seemingly with different colour light and output, presumably just shoving in what he could get. One
    was blue, one pink and one kind of green/yellow to the naked eye. The
    fourth one was what I would call off white.
    Brian

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    "Adrian Caspersz" <email@here.invalid> wrote in message news:jt4aapF3nruU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 10/11/2022 11:37, Woody wrote:

    Although it may not affect you do note that almost anything other than
    cool white (and even then possibly not) give out less light than and
    equivalent fluorescent.


    Yup, but cool white makes the kitchen feel as cold as an coroners autopsy room.

    When I did a swap with TLCs finest, I bought both warm and cold types and settled for warmth.

    The light was a bit less, but after a few days not that noticeable.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Nov 11 09:57:29 2022
    To protect the innocent?
    Brian

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    "Robin" <rbw@outlook.com> wrote in message news:62b7da30-393c-84a3-3778-fb51165e5171@outlook.com...
    Top posted for Brian.

    T8 LED tubes fit T12 fixtures. The pin spacings and lengths are the same. Only the wiring may differ.




    On 10/11/2022 11:37, Woody wrote:
    On Thu 10/11/2022 10:24, Brian Gaff wrote:

    It depends which type of double tube assembly you have Brian. If it has
    two tubes and one starter then you will need the type suggested by
    another contributor which has a new ballast and two starters.

    If your existing assembly has two chokes and two starters then all you
    need is the tubes as they are supplied with a replacement starter as
    well. The 'fat' tubes at 1½ inch diameter are known as T12 and you may
    have difficulty finding a replacement. The common tubes these days are T8
    and one inch diameter - they are very widely available.

    Although it may not affect you do note that almost anything other than
    cool white (and even then possibly not) give out less light than and
    equivalent fluorescent.




    While on LED subject, which really should be in the DIY group, I have in
    this room an old Thorne twin Florescent fitting with two 40 watt tubes
    in
    it. Since I have no desire to remove the fitting and have to repaint the >>> ceiling, Can this fitting be converted to take a commonly available led
    strip light. These are the fat tubes.

    Brian




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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Fri Nov 11 10:18:07 2022
    The ones I linked to are plug and play for most applications.

    On 11/11/2022 09:48, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Well depends what you mean, I think I mean I don't know what they might call a pin for pin replacement tube with leds in it. I'd assumed you removed the starters, but should you also remove the choke and capacitor as well or are they effectively removed by removing the starters and the way the replacements are designed electrically.
    Brian



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