• BBC2: How the BBC Began

    From MB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 19 11:04:49 2022
    I see there are a couple of programmes on beginnings of the BBC this
    weekend and the following weekend.





    DOCUMENTARY: How the BBC Began
    On: BBC Two England HD
    Date: Saturday 22nd October 2022 (starting in 3 days)
    Time: 19:00 to 20:35 (1 hour and 35 minutes long)

    The first of two programmes featuring the stories behind seminal moments
    of the first 50 years of the BBC across TV and radio, with tales of
    triumphs and disasters as new frontiers of broadcasting were mapped out.
    James Burke tells how the Queen Mother helped shape the BBC's coverage
    of one Apollo space mission, while Huw Wheldon describes the cliffhanger
    of producing Winston Churchill's one appearance on television.
    (High Definition, Subtitles, Widescreen, Audio Described, New Series,
    Series 1, Episode 1)

    Starring: Joanna Scanlan

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    Marked By: 'Category: Documentary' marker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346

    Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Thu Oct 20 09:44:32 2022
    I've not forgotten that story behind the way early cameras worked by taking film, developing it on the fly then scanning it and what happened when the chemicals leaked out. Thank goodness that did not last for long!

    I think the first time a realised how far we had come was the Cilla Black
    show live when the kit needed for visiting peoples houses unannounced became doable. Now of course they give the emergency services clip on cameras and
    let them do the content themselves and just do the editing and in shows like Nature Watch, you can see live pictures from tiny cameras inside bird boxes.
    I actually miss the current innovations, since my sight had gone too far
    into blindness before the current innovations.
    Brian



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    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:tioi40$s57$1@dont-email.me...
    I see there are a couple of programmes on beginnings of the BBC this
    weekend and the following weekend.





    DOCUMENTARY: How the BBC Began
    On: BBC Two England HD
    Date: Saturday 22nd October 2022 (starting in 3 days)
    Time: 19:00 to 20:35 (1 hour and 35 minutes long)

    The first of two programmes featuring the stories behind seminal moments
    of the first 50 years of the BBC across TV and radio, with tales of
    triumphs and disasters as new frontiers of broadcasting were mapped out. James Burke tells how the Queen Mother helped shape the BBC's coverage of
    one Apollo space mission, while Huw Wheldon describes the cliffhanger of producing Winston Churchill's one appearance on television.
    (High Definition, Subtitles, Widescreen, Audio Described, New Series,
    Series 1, Episode 1)

    Starring: Joanna Scanlan

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Marked By: 'Category: Documentary' marker ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Excerpt taken from DigiGuide - the world's best TV guide available from http://www.getdigiguide.tv/?p=1&r=7346

    Copyright (c) GipsyMedia Limited.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 20 10:14:48 2022
    On 20/10/2022 09:54, MB wrote:
    On 20/10/2022 09:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I think the first time a realised how far we had come was the Cilla Black
    show live when the kit needed for visiting peoples houses unannounced
    became
    doable.


    Weren't they usually places close to where OB links had been set up for
    a football match?

    We weren't supposed to notice that. ;-)

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Thu Oct 20 09:54:38 2022
    On 20/10/2022 09:44, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I think the first time a realised how far we had come was the Cilla Black show live when the kit needed for visiting peoples houses unannounced became doable.


    Weren't they usually places close to where OB links had been set up for
    a football match?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Thu Oct 20 11:07:23 2022
    On 20/10/2022 10:14, John Williamson wrote:
    We weren't supposed to notice that.



    For some years, a number of programmes used to do that because it was
    the cheapest way to do an OB insert into a programme. I think some were
    quite open about them doing it.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Oct 20 11:33:48 2022
    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jrclmrF74r1U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 20/10/2022 11:07, MB wrote:
    On 20/10/2022 10:14, John Williamson wrote:
    We weren't supposed to notice that.



    For some years, a number of programmes used to do that because it was the
    cheapest way to do an OB insert into a programme. I think some were
    quite open about them doing it.


    Yes, Saturday morning Swap Shop/Superstore/Going Live etc used to have
    their OB near a football match venue, and in the evening Noel Edmunds show did the same

    In the 1990s there was a game show where contestants were released "into the wild" and had to make their way across country to a phone box that they had nominated in advance (or had been told to use) by any means (foot, private
    car, public transport) and then had to remain in that phonebox for the
    duration of the live episode. Meanwhile a "chaser" tried to follow them and
    to zap them during the programme. A bit like Interceptor, but *not* that programme. I'm trying to think of terms that I can google to remind myself
    what the programme was called.

    I always wondered how they got the live pictures of the contestants from the phone box to the studio, even with advance setup.

    I remember one episode because the phone box was right outside the building where I worked in Bracknell (the big ICL building). It was tempting to get
    in the car, drive to the box and see myself (afterwards on a recording) as I walked past. ;-) I believe the public was encouraged to phone in and "shop" the contestant to the chaser - maybe there was some sort of financial inducement to people who phoned in with correct information. Grr. What was
    the programme called?

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Thu Oct 20 12:02:55 2022
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 11:20:13 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 20/10/2022 11:07, MB wrote:
    On 20/10/2022 10:14, John Williamson wrote:
    We weren't supposed to notice that.

    For some years, a number of programmes used to do that because it was
    the cheapest way to do an OB insert into a programme.  I think some
    were quite open about them doing it.

    Yes, Saturday morning Swap Shop/Superstore/Going Live etc used to have
    their OB near a football match venue, and in the evening Noel Edmunds
    show did the same

    I believe Songs of Praise usually came from the same town as the
    Saturday football.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 20 11:20:13 2022
    On 20/10/2022 11:07, MB wrote:
    On 20/10/2022 10:14, John Williamson wrote:
    We weren't supposed to notice that.



    For some years, a number of programmes used to do that because it was
    the cheapest way to do an OB insert into a programme.  I think some
    were quite open about them doing it.


    Yes, Saturday morning Swap Shop/Superstore/Going Live etc used to have
    their OB near a football match venue, and in the evening Noel Edmunds
    show did the same

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 23 16:47:57 2022
    On 19/10/2022 11:04, MB wrote:
    I see there are a couple of programmes on beginnings of the BBC this
    weekend and the following weekend.


    Someone asked a few weeks ago about the lack of programmes for the
    centenary. This week BBC Four has virtually every evening full of some
    of the best BBC TV comedy programmes (and Still Game!).

    Some there that are rarely repeated, much better than most current
    'comedy' programmes!

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 25 22:22:46 2022
    It is funny the number of times over the last week when they talked
    about the start of BBC radio in 1922, they have used pictures of the
    Alexandra Palace tower and antenna!

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Oct 26 08:08:56 2022
    In article <tj9k36$27b1f$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    It is funny the number of times over the last week when they talked
    about the start of BBC radio in 1922, they have used pictures of the Alexandra Palace tower and antenna!


    It's a lot more photogenic than Savoy Hill

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 26 09:12:58 2022
    On 26/10/2022 09:01, MB wrote:
    On 26/10/2022 08:08, charles wrote:

    It's a lot more photogenic than Savoy Hill


    Just shows their poor historical knowledge, would not be surprised (particularly after Sunday's Antiques Roadshow) that many of them
    think it all started at Alexandra Palace.


    I remember watching a documentary about Live Aid, that happened in 1985.
    They were banging on about the event being the first to use satellites
    at scale (wrong) but even worse the accompanying footage was of Col.
    Booth at Goonhilly in 1962, trying to tune into Telstar.

    If this is the accuracy and attention to detail regarding their own
    industry, how can we trust anything else we see !

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Oct 26 09:01:06 2022
    On 26/10/2022 08:08, charles wrote:

    It's a lot more photogenic than Savoy Hill


    Just shows their poor historical knowledge, would not be surprised (particularly after Sunday's Antiques Roadshow) that many of them think
    it all started at Alexandra Palace.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Oct 26 09:59:42 2022
    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:tjapg1$2e2g4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 26/10/2022 08:08, charles wrote:

    It's a lot more photogenic than Savoy Hill


    Just shows their poor historical knowledge, would not be surprised (particularly after Sunday's Antiques Roadshow) that many of them think it all started at Alexandra Palace.

    Maybe they confused the start of the BBC with the start of BBC Television.

    Will we get another series of retrospective programmes in a few years' time
    to commemorate the start of BBC Television. We need another showing of The Fools on the Hill.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Wed Oct 26 10:17:21 2022
    On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 09:59:42 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:tjapg1$2e2g4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 26/10/2022 08:08, charles wrote:

    It's a lot more photogenic than Savoy Hill


    Just shows their poor historical knowledge, would not be surprised
    (particularly after Sunday's Antiques Roadshow) that many of them think it >> all started at Alexandra Palace.

    Maybe they confused the start of the BBC with the start of BBC Television.

    The 100 years should have been a clue. There was no public TV service
    in 1922.

    I remember being reprimanded at school for referring to 'the telly'
    (not in 1922!).

    On a separate note, does anyone know about progress with opening the
    BBC exhibition at Alexandra Palace? Last I heard the amount of
    asbestos was so great that the project was running over budget might
    not proceed.


    Will we get another series of retrospective programmes in a few years' time >to commemorate the start of BBC Television. We need another showing of The >Fools on the Hill.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 26 12:18:49 2022
    On 26/10/2022 09:59, NY wrote:
    Will we get another series of retrospective programmes in a few years' time to commemorate the start of BBC Television. We need another showing of The Fools on the Hill.


    We should really have an updated version of Pawley but no chance of that.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 26 13:06:42 2022
    In article <tjasu5$2edu0$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid>
    scribeth thus
    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:tjapg1$2e2g4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 26/10/2022 08:08, charles wrote:

    It's a lot more photogenic than Savoy Hill


    Just shows their poor historical knowledge, would not be surprised
    (particularly after Sunday's Antiques Roadshow) that many of them think it >> all started at Alexandra Palace.

    Maybe they confused the start of the BBC with the start of BBC Television.

    Will we get another series of retrospective programmes in a few years' time >to commemorate the start of BBC Television. We need another showing of The >Fools on the Hill.


    'ere tis:)

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMmZ72uSuYk
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From Mary Wolstenholme@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Oct 26 13:36:28 2022
    On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:18:49 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 09:59, NY wrote:
    Will we get another series of retrospective programmes in a few years' time >> to commemorate the start of BBC Television. We need another showing of The >> Fools on the Hill.


    We should really have an updated version of Pawley but no chance of that.


    Who or what is Pawley?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Mary Wolstenholme on Wed Oct 26 13:54:29 2022
    On 26/10/2022 13:36, Mary Wolstenholme wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:18:49 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 09:59, NY wrote:
    Will we get another series of retrospective programmes in a few years' time >>> to commemorate the start of BBC Television. We need another showing of The >>> Fools on the Hill.

    We should really have an updated version of Pawley but no chance of that.

    Who or what is Pawley?

    In this context it refers to Edward Pawley, and a book he complied in
    1972 (to mark the BBC's 50th anniversary) that catalogues the BBC's
    engineering activity 1922 to 1972

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Oct 26 15:58:14 2022
    On 26/10/2022 13:54, Mark Carver wrote:
    In this context it refers to Edward Pawley, and a book he complied in
    1972 (to mark the BBC's 50th anniversary) that catalogues the BBC's engineering activity 1922 to 1972


    Long out of print though a PDF copy did appear online for a time, I
    thought it was a pirated copy but now on the BBC site so must be legal!


    <https://www.bbc.com/historyofthebbc/documents/edward_pauley_bbc_engineering_1922-1972.pdf>

    It covers the engineering history in some detail and is very readable.
    I often get my copy out to look up something.

    There is Asas Briggs' but that is more about the politics etc and not as readable.

    There are a couple about transmitters and a website, also some on
    studios. Also one on BBC Scotland which does cover some of the
    technical side but not in great detail.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Wed Oct 26 16:33:00 2022
    In article <jrsp06FmibmU1@mid.individual.net>, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 26/10/2022 13:36, Mary Wolstenholme wrote:
    On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 12:18:49 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 26/10/2022 09:59, NY wrote:
    Will we get another series of retrospective programmes in a few
    years' time to commemorate the start of BBC Television. We need
    another showing of The Fools on the Hill.

    We should really have an updated version of Pawley but no chance of
    that.

    Who or what is Pawley?

    In this context it refers to Edward Pawley, and a book he complied in
    1972 (to mark the BBC's 50th anniversary) that catalogues the BBC's engineering activity 1922 to 1972

    BBC Engineering 1922- 1972 ISBN 0 563 12127 0. (according to my copy)

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 31 14:54:53 2022
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 12:02:55 +0100, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    For some years, a number of programmes used to do that because it was
    the cheapest way to do an OB insert into a programme.  I think some
    were quite open about them doing it.

    Yes, Saturday morning Swap Shop/Superstore/Going Live etc used to have >>their OB near a football match venue, and in the evening Noel Edmunds
    show did the same

    I believe Songs of Praise usually came from the same town as the
    Saturday football.

    It didn't when I did it. It was recorded, twice, on subsequent evenings
    with the same people (they were asked to turn up twice and wear the
    same clobber for continuity) and then the better version of each bit
    was selected in the edit.
    We recorded the first programme on Wed/Thu and then moved on and did
    another one on the Sat/Sun.
    This was in the early 90s, in that hot-bed of football, the south of
    Devon and Cornwall.
    A most enjoyable week.

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  • From Chris Youlden@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Mon Oct 31 15:46:32 2022
    On 31/10/2022 14:54, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 12:02:55 +0100, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    For some years, a number of programmes used to do that because it was
    the cheapest way to do an OB insert into a programme.  I think some
    were quite open about them doing it.

    Yes, Saturday morning Swap Shop/Superstore/Going Live etc used to have
    their OB near a football match venue, and in the evening Noel Edmunds
    show did the same

    I believe Songs of Praise usually came from the same town as the
    Saturday football.

    It didn't when I did it. It was recorded, twice, on subsequent evenings
    with the same people (they were asked to turn up twice and wear the
    same clobber for continuity) and then the better version of each bit
    was selected in the edit.
    We recorded the first programme on Wed/Thu and then moved on and did
    another one on the Sat/Sun.
    This was in the early 90s, in that hot-bed of football, the south of
    Devon and Cornwall.
    A most enjoyable week.

    Agreed. My office used to book a DEL for each site in the years before cellphones, and they were as Paul says.

    --

    Chris

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