• BBC Radio 5 Live

    From Pamela@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 25 17:42:16 2022
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting to
    me.

    Has the BBC issed any statement about a change in programme emphasis or
    that it's aiming Radio 5 at a different audience?

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  • From wrightsaerials@f2s.com@21:1/5 to Pamela on Sun Sep 25 11:29:23 2022
    On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 17:46:07 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting to
    me.

    Has the BBC issed any statement about a change in programme emphasis or
    that it's aiming Radio 5 at a different audience?
    It will be part of the BBC's general move towards yoof.
    Bill

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  • From The Other John@21:1/5 to wrightsaerials@aol.com on Sun Sep 25 21:26:55 2022
    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:29:23 -0700, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:

    It will be part of the BBC's general move towards yoof.

    Not forgetting diversity. The other evening I saw a promo on BBC1 and the
    voice over (Afro Caribbean by the sound of it) said it was 'on BBC Free'!

    I fink sumfink should be dun abaht dat!

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Pamela on Mon Sep 26 08:26:36 2022
    On 25/09/2022 17:42, Pamela wrote:
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting to
    me.

    Don't bother with R5.  Times Radio and LBC are good alternatives

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Mon Sep 26 07:50:44 2022
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 25/09/2022 17:42, Pamela wrote:
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting to
    me.

    Don't bother with R5.  Times Radio and LBC are good alternatives


    Don’t know about LBC, but Times Radio has broken its promise of no adverts, just sponsored programmes. The adverts are truly awful.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Pamela on Mon Sep 26 10:12:39 2022
    I think its probably aimed at the mindless person who listens to talk sport now.
    Brian

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    "Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message news:XnsAF1DB4198E5C937B93@88.198.57.247...
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting to
    me.

    Has the BBC issed any statement about a change in programme emphasis or
    that it's aiming Radio 5 at a different audience?

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Tweed on Mon Sep 26 10:21:21 2022
    All adverts are awful, but how else do they pay their bills?

    Brian

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    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 25/09/2022 17:42, Pamela wrote:
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting
    to
    me.

    Don't bother with R5. Times Radio and LBC are good alternatives


    Don't know about LBC, but Times Radio has broken its promise of no
    adverts,
    just sponsored programmes. The adverts are truly awful.


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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to The Other John on Mon Sep 26 10:18:41 2022
    I think the accent that gets me is not the rich afro Caribbean one, but the very fake Estuwery, as it seems to be known. A kind of amalgam of cockney, American rap artist, and laziness of pronunciation, innit.
    Brian

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    "The Other John" <nomail@here.org> wrote in message news:tgqh2v$3g2b3$1@dont-email.me...
    On Sun, 25 Sep 2022 11:29:23 -0700, wrightsaerials@aol.com wrote:

    It will be part of the BBC's general move towards yoof.

    Not forgetting diversity. The other evening I saw a promo on BBC1 and the voice over (Afro Caribbean by the sound of it) said it was 'on BBC Free'!

    I fink sumfink should be dun abaht dat!

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Mon Sep 26 10:20:07 2022
    Both of which seem to me to have a right wing agenda and on phone ins cut people off then spout their correction, without giving the caller a right of reply.
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:jpd2hcFhr4pU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 25/09/2022 17:42, Pamela wrote:
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting to
    me.

    Don't bother with R5. Times Radio and LBC are good alternatives

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 26 10:16:03 2022
    This has never been any different. I distinctly remember Radio 2s complete
    loss of stuff by Frank Sinatra etc, mixed in with nore up to date oldies. As the staff become younger and do not remember the old times somebody makes he decision to move on except for a few specialist programs here and there. I
    mean hearing so called Garage classics on Radio 2 makes me wince.
    Maybe they need a radio 2.5.
    Brian

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    "wrightsaerials@aol.com" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message news:be748bff-1d07-44c1-b64c-cb69baaec08en@googlegroups.com...
    On Sunday, 25 September 2022 at 17:46:07 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:
    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less interesting to
    me.

    Has the BBC issed any statement about a change in programme emphasis or
    that it's aiming Radio 5 at a different audience?
    It will be part of the BBC's general move towards yoof.
    Bill

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Mon Sep 26 10:44:11 2022
    On 26/09/2022 10:16, Brian Gaff wrote:
    This has never been any different. I distinctly remember Radio 2s complete loss of stuff by Frank Sinatra etc, mixed in with nore up to date oldies. As the staff become younger and do not remember the old times somebody makes he decision to move on except for a few specialist programs here and there. I mean hearing so called Garage classics on Radio 2 makes me wince.
    Maybe they need a radio 2.5.
    Brian

    Ever since it was created, the target audience for Radio 2 has been the
    parents of the Radio 1 audience. As result, after doing a few years on
    Radio 1, the presenters and the music they have been playing get moved
    over, and the BBC assume that the old Radio 2 listeners have graduated
    to local radio, Radio 3 or Radio 4,

    The closest thing available now to the Radio 2 of ten to twenty years
    ago are the Golden Oldies commercial stations, which all seem to be
    presented by ex-Radio 2 announcers.

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    John.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Mon Sep 26 11:13:32 2022
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    the very fake Estuwery, as it seems to be known. A kind of amalgam of cockney, American rap artist, and laziness of pronunciation, innit.

    Muwti-cultuwal Lunnun Inglish

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Mon Sep 26 11:38:45 2022
    John Williamson wrote:

    The closest thing available now to the Radio 2 of ten to twenty years
    ago are the Golden Oldies commercial stations, which all seem to be
    presented by ex-Radio 2 announcers.

    When on holiday in Germany a few years ago, we happened across a
    local music station (1) whose playlist I enjoyed. I now sometimes
    choose it, and find that, because I don't really understand the
    adverts, they don't annoy me anything like as much as they would
    if it was an English station.

    I can listen to it via Internet radio, but Alexa's skill will no
    longer play ball with non-UK channels.

    Unless someone know otherwise...

    (1) SWR1 Baden-Württemberg

    Chris
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    Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

    Plant amazing Acers.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Mon Sep 26 12:09:12 2022
    On 26/09/2022 10:20, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Both of which seem to me to have a right wing agenda and on phone ins cut people off then spout their correction, without giving the caller a right of reply.


    I'd hardly call James O'Brien on LBC right wing, and Times Radio don't
    have any public phone in contributions, so I'm not sure what you think
    you've been listening to ?

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to johnwilliamson@btinternet.com on Mon Sep 26 12:34:24 2022
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:44:11 +0100, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    Ever since it was created, the target audience for Radio 2 has been the >parents of the Radio 1 audience. As result, after doing a few years on
    Radio 1, the presenters and the music they have been playing get moved
    over, and the BBC assume that the old Radio 2 listeners have graduated
    to local radio, Radio 3 or Radio 4,

    That's a naive assumption if it's true. I'm the same person I was when
    I was young, so why would I like different music? Over the years I've
    gradually discovered more of it, but it's been mostly the same kind of
    thing because I choose what I like, not what's fashionable, and
    practically none of it is what you would expect to hear on Radio 1 or
    Radio 2.

    I wonder if there's something different about people who like pop
    music, in that they change their tastes as they get older?

    I wonder if radio programme planners are completely wrong?

    Rod.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Mon Sep 26 12:52:37 2022
    On 26/09/2022 12:34, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:44:11 +0100, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    Ever since it was created, the target audience for Radio 2 has been the
    parents of the Radio 1 audience. As result, after doing a few years on
    Radio 1, the presenters and the music they have been playing get moved
    over, and the BBC assume that the old Radio 2 listeners have graduated
    to local radio, Radio 3 or Radio 4,

    That's a naive assumption if it's true. I'm the same person I was when
    I was young, so why would I like different music? Over the years I've gradually discovered more of it, but it's been mostly the same kind of
    thing because I choose what I like, not what's fashionable, and
    practically none of it is what you would expect to hear on Radio 1 or
    Radio 2.

    In which case, you are not their target audience.

    I wonder if there's something different about people who like pop
    music, in that they change their tastes as they get older?

    People do not change their taste in music much as they get older, but
    the Pop music as played on Radio 1 changes to suit the listeners who
    only like to listen to the latest chart music. As a result, they have to
    change the style over time to suit the music. Radio 2 does the same, and
    alters its style to suit the previous generation of pop music radio
    listeners. The "classic garage" mentioned in an earlier post was the
    latest, greatest chart music about a generation ago, and would have only
    been played on Radio 1. Now, it's too old to play on 1, so gets played
    to wrinklies on Radio 2, while Radio 1 plays stuff that makes the likes
    of me have the same reaction to it as my parents had to the stuff I used
    to listen to.


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    John.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Mon Sep 26 13:45:31 2022
    On 26/09/2022 10:18, Brian Gaff wrote:
    I think the accent that gets me is not the rich afro Caribbean one, but the very fake Estuwery, as it seems to be known. A kind of amalgam of cockney, American rap artist, and laziness of pronunciation, innit.


    It is the fake mid-Atlantic one that I hate, heard from many of the
    older "DJ's". They also seem to have to talk at high speed, very
    reminiscent of the stories you hear of the Home Service during WWII
    after the attempted interruptions by Fumph.

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  • From Mary Wolstenholme@21:1/5 to brian1gaff@gmail.com on Mon Sep 26 14:25:16 2022
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:21:21 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    All adverts are awful, but how else do they pay their bills?

    Brian

    I don't remember ever listening to BBC Radio 5 Live.

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  • From Pamela@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Sep 27 13:46:43 2022
    On 08:26 26 Sep 2022, Mark Carver said:
    On 25/09/2022 17:42, Pamela wrote:


    Over the last year or two Radio 5 has become less and less
    interesting to me.

    Don't bother with R5.  Times Radio and LBC are good alternatives

    Those are what I've been listening to. Times Radio especially has quickly
    found its feet.

    I had a feeling that Radio 5 was sliding downhill when it started playing
    music in its late night programmes. This started with one or two
    programmes a few years ago and seems to have spread. Radio 5 was once
    rather good.

    It's a pity TalkRadio and GB News promote some wacky ideas, as they might
    have made a useful fill-in.

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  • From Ashley Booth@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Wed Sep 28 14:20:42 2022
    John Williamson wrote:

    On 26/09/2022 12:34, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:44:11 +0100, John Williamson
    <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    Ever since it was created, the target audience for Radio 2 has
    been the parents of the Radio 1 audience. As result, after doing
    a few years on Radio 1, the presenters and the music they have
    been playing get moved over, and the BBC assume that the old
    Radio 2 listeners have graduated to local radio, Radio 3 or Radio
    4,

    That's a naive assumption if it's true. I'm the same person I was
    when I was young, so why would I like different music? Over the
    years I've gradually discovered more of it, but it's been mostly
    the same kind of thing because I choose what I like, not what's fashionable, and practically none of it is what you would expect to
    hear on Radio 1 or Radio 2.

    In which case, you are not their target audience.

    I wonder if there's something different about people who like pop
    music, in that they change their tastes as they get older?

    People do not change their taste in music much as they get older, but
    the Pop music as played on Radio 1 changes to suit the listeners who
    only like to listen to the latest chart music. As a result, they have
    to change the style over time to suit the music. Radio 2 does the
    same, and alters its style to suit the previous generation of pop
    music radio listeners. The "classic garage" mentioned in an earlier
    post was the latest, greatest chart music about a generation ago, and
    would have only been played on Radio 1. Now, it's too old to play on
    1, so gets played to wrinklies on Radio 2, while Radio 1 plays stuff
    that makes the likes of me have the same reaction to it as my parents
    had to the stuff I used to listen to.

    For us 'wrinklies' I think Boom Radio is the answer. Available on DAM
    and the internet. It's for us baby boomers!

    --

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Ashley Booth on Wed Sep 28 17:15:01 2022
    On 28/09/2022 15:20, Ashley Booth wrote:
    John Williamson wrote:

    People do not change their taste in music much as they get older, but
    the Pop music as played on Radio 1 changes to suit the listeners who
    only like to listen to the latest chart music. As a result, they have
    to change the style over time to suit the music. Radio 2 does the
    same, and alters its style to suit the previous generation of pop
    music radio listeners. The "classic garage" mentioned in an earlier
    post was the latest, greatest chart music about a generation ago, and
    would have only been played on Radio 1. Now, it's too old to play on
    1, so gets played to wrinklies on Radio 2, while Radio 1 plays stuff
    that makes the likes of me have the same reaction to it as my parents
    had to the stuff I used to listen to.

    For us 'wrinklies' I think Boom Radio is the answer. Available on DAM
    and the internet. It's for us baby boomers!

    There's also Smooth, available on FM (102.2 MHz in the SE); DAB and
    Freeview &c.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From wrightsaerials@f2s.com@21:1/5 to Pamela on Wed Sep 28 10:07:40 2022
    On Tuesday, 27 September 2022 at 13:50:44 UTC+1, Pamela wrote:

    It's a pity TalkRadio and GB News promote some wacky ideas, as they might have made a useful fill-in.
    That's how I feel about BBC Radio 4.

    Bill

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  • From Ashley Booth@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Thu Sep 29 08:32:14 2022
    Max Demian wrote:

    On 28/09/2022 15:20, Ashley Booth wrote:
    John Williamson wrote:

    People do not change their taste in music much as they get older,
    but the Pop music as played on Radio 1 changes to suit the
    listeners who only like to listen to the latest chart music. As a
    result, they have to change the style over time to suit the
    music. Radio 2 does the same, and alters its style to suit the
    previous generation of pop music radio listeners. The "classic
    garage" mentioned in an earlier post was the latest, greatest
    chart music about a generation ago, and would have only been
    played on Radio 1. Now, it's too old to play on 1, so gets played
    to wrinklies on Radio 2, while Radio 1 plays stuff that makes the
    likes of me have the same reaction to it as my parents had to the
    stuff I used to listen to.

    For us 'wrinklies' I think Boom Radio is the answer. Available on
    DAM and the internet. It's for us baby boomers!

    There's also Smooth, available on FM (102.2 MHz in the SE); DAB and
    Freeview &c.

    But that doesn't have DJs. Boom has DJs such as David Hamilton, Graham
    Dene, Roger Day, Nicky Horne etc, all working from home.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Ashley Booth on Thu Sep 29 10:06:25 2022
    On 29/09/2022 09:32, Ashley Booth wrote:

    But that doesn't have DJs. Boom has DJs such as David Hamilton, Graham
    Dene, Roger Day, Nicky Horne etc, all working from home.

    I prefer my music wthout idle chit chat, so services such as spotify and
    my large collection of MP3 files come into play.

    Another advantage of my system is that I get to choose what is played to
    match my mood

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Ashley Booth on Thu Sep 29 14:34:10 2022
    On 29/09/2022 09:32, Ashley Booth wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 15:20, Ashley Booth wrote:
    John Williamson wrote:

    People do not change their taste in music much as they get older,
    but the Pop music as played on Radio 1 changes to suit the
    listeners who only like to listen to the latest chart music. As a
    result, they have to change the style over time to suit the
    music. Radio 2 does the same, and alters its style to suit the
    previous generation of pop music radio listeners. The "classic
    garage" mentioned in an earlier post was the latest, greatest
    chart music about a generation ago, and would have only been
    played on Radio 1. Now, it's too old to play on 1, so gets played
    to wrinklies on Radio 2, while Radio 1 plays stuff that makes the
    likes of me have the same reaction to it as my parents had to the
    stuff I used to listen to.

    For us 'wrinklies' I think Boom Radio is the answer. Available on
    DAM and the internet. It's for us baby boomers!

    There's also Smooth, available on FM (102.2 MHz in the SE); DAB and
    Freeview &c.

    But that doesn't have DJs. Boom has DJs such as David Hamilton, Graham
    Dene, Roger Day, Nicky Horne etc, all working from home.

    It does have presenters, though you might not have heard of them.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mary@easynn.com on Thu Sep 29 17:31:34 2022
    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 14:25:16 +0100, Mary Wolstenholme
    <mary@easynn.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:21:21 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    All adverts are awful, but how else do they pay their bills?

    Brian

    I don't remember ever listening to BBC Radio 5 Live.

    This makes you eminently well qualified to comment then :-)

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Fri Sep 30 10:48:26 2022
    On 29/09/2022 14:34, Max Demian wrote:
    On 29/09/2022 09:32, Ashley Booth wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 15:20, Ashley Booth wrote:
    John Williamson wrote:

    People do not change their taste in music much as they get older,
    but the Pop music as played on Radio 1 changes to suit the
    listeners who only like to listen to the latest chart music. As a
    result, they have to change the style over time to suit the
    music. Radio 2 does the same, and alters its style to suit the
    previous generation of pop music radio listeners. The "classic
    garage" mentioned in an earlier post was the latest, greatest
    chart music about a generation ago, and would have only been
    played on Radio 1. Now, it's too old to play on 1, so gets played
    to wrinklies on Radio 2, while Radio 1 plays stuff that makes the
    likes of me have the same reaction to it as my parents had to the
    stuff I used to listen to.

    For us 'wrinklies' I think Boom Radio is the answer. Available on
    DAM and the internet. It's for us baby boomers!

    There's also Smooth, available on FM (102.2 MHz in the SE); DAB and
    Freeview &c.

    But that doesn't have DJs. Boom has DJs such as David Hamilton, Graham
    Dene, Roger Day, Nicky Horne etc, all working from home.

    It does have presenters, though you might not have heard of them.

    Voice-tracked though, so it's all rather a hollow listening experience

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Sep 30 11:49:15 2022
    On 30/09/2022 10:48, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 29/09/2022 14:34, Max Demian wrote:
    On 29/09/2022 09:32, Ashley Booth wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:
    On 28/09/2022 15:20, Ashley Booth wrote:

    For us 'wrinklies' I think Boom Radio is the answer. Available on
    DAM and the internet. It's for us baby boomers!

    There's also Smooth, available on FM (102.2 MHz in the SE); DAB and
    Freeview &c.

    But that doesn't have DJs. Boom has DJs such as David Hamilton, Graham
    Dene, Roger Day, Nicky Horne etc, all working from home.

    It does have presenters, though you might not have heard of them.

    Voice-tracked though, so it's all rather a hollow listening experience

    Jenni Falconer in the morning sounds convincing.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Stephen Wolstenholme@21:1/5 to newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk on Fri Sep 30 13:05:47 2022
    On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 17:31:34 +0100, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 14:25:16 +0100, Mary Wolstenholme
    <mary@easynn.com> wrote:

    On Mon, 26 Sep 2022 10:21:21 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    All adverts are awful, but how else do they pay their bills?

    Brian

    I don't remember ever listening to BBC Radio 5 Live.

    This makes you eminently well qualified to comment then :-)

    No comment.

    --
    Neural Network Software for Windows http://www.npsnn.com

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