• St Pauls

    From Tweed@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 9 17:12:51 2022
    How do they get St Paul’s rigged so quickly for tonight’s service of remembrance? Where does the kit come from at such short notice?

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Tweed on Fri Sep 9 18:49:13 2022
    On 09/09/2022 18:12, Tweed wrote:
    How do they get St Paul’s rigged so quickly for tonight’s service of remembrance? Where does the kit come from at such short notice?


    I suspect the audio is permanently rigged for day to day use, so they
    just take a feed, adding a few room mics for atmosphere, while the kit
    that they would have been using for a football match tomorrow was
    already on an OB truck, and can be very quickly rigged according to the
    plans that were used for the last state occasion they held there. 5 or 6 cameras with wireless links back to the OB truck? The outside shots were
    likely to be a news crew or two.

    The camera location plan has probably been in place for years. A tiny
    part of operation London Bridge, and probably operation Forth Bridge
    before it.

    If they'd had more warning, they could probably have done something
    about the glare from the already fitted internal floodlights.
    (Polarising filters on the cameras and lights come to mind as a simple
    way to do it.)

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Sep 9 17:53:01 2022
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On 09/09/2022 18:12, Tweed wrote:
    How do they get St Paul’s rigged so quickly for tonight’s service of
    remembrance? Where does the kit come from at such short notice?


    I suspect the audio is permanently rigged for day to day use, so they
    just take a feed, adding a few room mics for atmosphere, while the kit
    that they would have been using for a football match tomorrow was
    already on an OB truck, and can be very quickly rigged according to the
    plans that were used for the last state occasion they held there. 5 or 6 cameras with wireless links back to the OB truck? The outside shots were likely to be a news crew or two.

    The camera location plan has probably been in place for years. A tiny
    part of operation London Bridge, and probably operation Forth Bridge
    before it.

    If they'd had more warning, they could probably have done something
    about the glare from the already fitted internal floodlights.
    (Polarising filters on the cameras and lights come to mind as a simple
    way to do it.)


    Well I’m impressed. Presumably all done without rehearsal.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Fri Sep 9 20:33:42 2022
    "John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:jo1cksFks7tU1@mid.individual.net...
    If they'd had more warning, they could probably have done something about
    the glare from the already fitted internal floodlights. (Polarising
    filters on the cameras and lights come to mind as a simple way to do it.)

    A clever solution. And the lights would probably still be sufficiently overexposed that the deep violet tint that you get with crossed polaroids
    would not be noticeable. At least modern solid-state cameras don't produce horrible comet-tails and burn-in if the camera moves slightly and the highlights move cross the field of view.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 9 20:38:48 2022
    In article <tffuht$13kl8$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed
    <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> scribeth thus
    John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
    On 09/09/2022 18:12, Tweed wrote:
    How do they get St Paul’s rigged so quickly for tonight’s service of >>> remembrance? Where does the kit come from at such short notice?


    I suspect the audio is permanently rigged for day to day use, so they
    just take a feed, adding a few room mics for atmosphere, while the kit
    that they would have been using for a football match tomorrow was
    already on an OB truck, and can be very quickly rigged according to the
    plans that were used for the last state occasion they held there. 5 or 6
    cameras with wireless links back to the OB truck? The outside shots were
    likely to be a news crew or two.

    The camera location plan has probably been in place for years. A tiny
    part of operation London Bridge, and probably operation Forth Bridge
    before it.

    If they'd had more warning, they could probably have done something
    about the glare from the already fitted internal floodlights.
    (Polarising filters on the cameras and lights come to mind as a simple
    way to do it.)


    Well I’m impressed. Presumably all done without rehearsal.


    It was excellent it was her public that came to see and mourn for her.

    Like that poor lady who was on camera a bit longer then she might have
    been sobbing into her handkerchief.

    The Flowers lament by the single piper, a lovely touch ..
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Tweed on Sat Sep 10 09:08:45 2022
    I believe many major venues have a lot of kit and infrastructure installed permanently.
    Brian

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    How do they get St Paul's rigged so quickly for tonight's service of remembrance? Where does the kit come from at such short notice?



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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Sat Sep 10 09:12:14 2022
    Don't you think its rather mean cancelling football? Many people like it as almost a social occasion, and surely after the pandemic, that is sorry
    needed. Lets hope some ding bat does not tell all live shows to stop until after the funeral.I know three people coming over from New Zeaand merely to
    see Abba Voyage.
    Who is going to repay them for the air fares??
    Brian

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    "John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:jo1cksFks7tU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 09/09/2022 18:12, Tweed wrote:
    How do they get St Paul's rigged so quickly for tonight's service of
    remembrance? Where does the kit come from at such short notice?


    I suspect the audio is permanently rigged for day to day use, so they just take a feed, adding a few room mics for atmosphere, while the kit that
    they would have been using for a football match tomorrow was already on an
    OB truck, and can be very quickly rigged according to the plans that were used for the last state occasion they held there. 5 or 6 cameras with wireless links back to the OB truck? The outside shots were likely to be a news crew or two.

    The camera location plan has probably been in place for years. A tiny part
    of operation London Bridge, and probably operation Forth Bridge before it.

    If they'd had more warning, they could probably have done something about
    the glare from the already fitted internal floodlights. (Polarising
    filters on the cameras and lights come to mind as a simple way to do it.)

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    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sat Sep 10 10:38:55 2022
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    I know three people coming over from New Zeaand merely to see Abba Voyage. Who is going to repay them for the air fares??

    "In accordance with the wishes of the Royal Household, performances will continue until further notice. Should there be any amendments to the schedule ticket holders will be contacted by their point of purchase."

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Sun Sep 11 09:49:54 2022
    Yes I saw that also, but its not cheap to fly all that way.

    Brian

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    Brian Gaff wrote:

    I know three people coming over from New Zeaand merely to see Abba
    Voyage. Who is going to repay them for the air fares??

    "In accordance with the wishes of the Royal Household, performances will continue until further notice. Should there be any amendments to the
    schedule ticket holders will be contacted by their point of purchase."

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Sun Sep 11 11:22:52 2022
    Brian Gaff wrote:

    its not cheap to fly all that way.

    It'd be cheaper to stream the abbatars down-under ...

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Tweed on Tue Sep 13 13:21:46 2022
    On 09/09/2022 18:53, Tweed wrote:

    If they'd had more warning, they could probably have done something
    about the glare from the already fitted internal floodlights.
    (Polarising filters on the cameras and lights come to mind as a simple
    way to do it.)

    Well I’m impressed. Presumably all done without rehearsal.
    I've just returned from the International Broadcasting Convention in
    Amsterdam. It ran from Friday until  yesterday.
    Just about everyone from the UK OB industry retuned home before the show
    had even opened on Friday morning.

    They were the lucky ones. There was chaos at Schiphol yesterday, Queues
    of 4, 5, 6 hours. Many missing their flights.
    I was lucky, I had a early flight, so only a 2 hr queue, and still
    enough for a cuppa at the gate. Many are trapped there still today.

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Sep 13 14:13:13 2022
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 09/09/2022 18:53, Tweed wrote:

    If they'd had more warning, they could probably have done something
    about the glare from the already fitted internal floodlights.
    (Polarising filters on the cameras and lights come to mind as a simple
    way to do it.)

    Well I’m impressed. Presumably all done without rehearsal.
    I've just returned from the International Broadcasting Convention in Amsterdam. It ran from Friday until  yesterday.
    Just about everyone from the UK OB industry retuned home before the show
    had even opened on Friday morning.

    They were the lucky ones. There was chaos at Schiphol yesterday, Queues
    of 4, 5, 6 hours. Many missing their flights.
    I was lucky, I had a early flight, so only a 2 hr queue, and still
    enough for a cuppa at the gate. Many are trapped there still today.



    https://www.aviation24.be/airports/amsterdam-schiphol-ams/chaos-returns-to-amsterdam-schiphol-as-security-staffers-massively-look-for-jobs-elsewhere/

    Since this morning, chaos has returned at Amsterdam Schiphol in The Netherlands. Passengers anxiously awaiting their turn in a very long queue
    at the security checkpoints rush to social media to complain. Some people
    state that they waited for hours before they could enter the terminal
    building.

    Dutch union FNV, representing airport staff knows the answer for the
    delays: during the busy Summer period, airport staff at Schiphol received
    an hourly extra allowance (zomertoeslag). As the allowance only covered
    July and August, security staff is massively looking for work elsewhere,
    hence the queues at the security screening are back.

    “The extra summer allowance, an extra of €5,25 gross per hour, stopped at the end of August,” FNV unionist Joost van Doesburg explains. “A lot of airport employees already indicated to work elsewhere after the Summer
    period, the scenario now seems to be unfolding. The summer allowance has
    thus helped to cope with the problems, but has not helped to make the
    problems at Schiphol to disappear in a structural way.”

    Airport staffers will still receive an extra pay of €1,40 gross per hour. According to the union member, the outflow at the airport is currently very high, especially among the security staff: “the summer allowance meant a
    bit of appreciation for this particular group. For many of them, it was
    reason to stay, at least until the end of the summer allowance. But they
    can earn the same amount of money elsewhere for less intensive work.”

    A summer season in aviation lasts until October, why it was decided to
    abolish this summer allowance in August is a big question mark. September
    is also still a busy month with the combination of tourists going on their well-deserved holidays and the resumption of business/work related
    passengers.

    Remains of course a very unpleasant situation for the passengers, the
    airport staff and the airport itself, which is clearly suffering from the
    post corona era.

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Sep 13 14:52:02 2022
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/09/2022 15:13, Tweed wrote:

    Remains of course a very unpleasant situation for the passengers, the
    airport staff and the airport itself, which is clearly suffering from the
    post corona era.

    Many gave up and caught trains to Brussels last night, and then the
    Eurostar or other flights from there.
    The problem remains for many of them that their luggage is somewhere in
    a huge pile at Schiphol.

    I decided before flying out last week (given Shit-pole's reputation), to squeeze everything into my little tiny wheelie case, and I never let go
    of it !


    I wonder if Eindhoven Stansted is a viable alternative?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Tweed on Tue Sep 13 15:22:02 2022
    On 13/09/2022 15:13, Tweed wrote:

    Remains of course a very unpleasant situation for the passengers, the
    airport staff and the airport itself, which is clearly suffering from the post corona era.

    Many gave up and caught trains to Brussels last night, and then the
    Eurostar or other flights from there.
    The problem remains for many of them that their luggage is somewhere in
    a huge pile at Schiphol.

    I decided before flying out last week (given Shit-pole's reputation), to squeeze everything into my little tiny wheelie case, and I never let go
    of it !

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Tweed on Tue Sep 13 16:01:37 2022
    On 13/09/2022 15:52, Tweed wrote:
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 13/09/2022 15:13, Tweed wrote:
    Remains of course a very unpleasant situation for the passengers, the
    airport staff and the airport itself, which is clearly suffering from the >>> post corona era.

    Many gave up and caught trains to Brussels last night, and then the
    Eurostar or other flights from there.
    The problem remains for many of them that their luggage is somewhere in
    a huge pile at Schiphol.

    I decided before flying out last week (given Shit-pole's reputation), to
    squeeze everything into my little tiny wheelie case, and I never let go
    of it !

    I wonder if Eindhoven Stansted is a viable alternative?

    Some folk legged it to Rotterdam Airport I gather ?

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