• BBC 4 HD and Cbeebies HD

    From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 6 15:43:02 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on
    PSB 3 ?

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  • From Dave Hill@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Sep 6 15:35:30 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on
    PSB 3 ?

    https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-four-hd-and-cbeebies-hd-restored-on-freeview

    Dave

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Sep 6 18:52:01 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/09/2022 18:38, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mark Carver wrote:

    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched
    on PSB 3 ?

    Yes a re-scan got them for me.

    Although oddly running a manual scan just on the PSB 3 mux, found both
    the channels, but stuck them at 800 and 801. I had (back on June 30th)
    deleted positions 106 and 205, so it's odd they didn't end up on there.
    I'm sure a reset and full scan would have worked. In any case I've
    manually moved BBC 4 HD to 9. And now we're grandparents we may well
    find ourselves punching in 205 !

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Dave Hill on Tue Sep 6 18:37:36 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/09/2022 16:35, Dave Hill wrote:
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on
    PSB 3 ?

    https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-four-hd-and-cbeebies-hd-restored-on-freeview

    When I saw the thread title, I thought for a moment it was going to be
    an announcement that BBC had decided to abandon the broadcast of BBC
    Four HD and CBeebies HD on COM3.

    But they've done it. Not quite as seamless a handover from COM7 to PSB3
    as it should have been and as they'd have liked, but they've got there.
    Well done to the engineers for getting it going. I presume most of the
    delay was in obtaining the equipment, and the actual configuration took
    the expected length of time that it would have done if they'd had the
    equipment when they anticipated.

    Maybe the news about it should have been handled better: if they'd said
    before the closure "we hoped to transfer BBC Four seamlessly from COM7
    to PSB3 but we will not be able to do that because equipment has not yet arrived" and then kept people informed about the progress with expected in-service date (even if it slips) rather than a fairly meaningless "soon".

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Sep 6 18:38:42 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Mark Carver wrote:

    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on PSB 3 ?

    Yes a re-scan got them for me.

    Is it new that there's no active video behind the "retune to 101 for local news"
    banner? I thought they had mountain rescue, sheepdogs and jiving pensioners etc?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Tue Sep 6 18:49:49 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/09/2022 18:38, Andy Burns wrote:
    Mark Carver wrote:

    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched
    on PSB 3 ?

    Yes a re-scan got them for me.

    Is it new that there's no active video behind the "retune to 101 for
    local news" banner?  I thought they had mountain rescue, sheepdogs and jiving pensioners etc?


    Yes, it's been like since the BBC 1 rebrand a few months ago

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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Tue Sep 6 20:52:13 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/09/2022 15:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on
    PSB 3 ?

    Thanks for the alert. Both OK here from CP.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 6 22:19:02 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Amazing, we are getting BBC 4 HD on Freeview Lite!

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Sep 7 06:10:44 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/09/2022 18:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    And now we're grandparents we may well find ourselves punching in 205 !

    Television is the opium of the under-fives!

    Bill

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 06:08:38 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 06/09/2022 18:37, NY wrote:
    I presume most of the delay was in obtaining the equipment, and the
    actual configuration took the expected length of time that it would have
    done if they'd had the equipment when they anticipated.

    You have a curious habit of speculating. You presume quite often!

    Bill

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Sep 7 08:13:42 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 07:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 06:10, williamwright wrote:
    On 06/09/2022 18:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    And now we're grandparents we may well find ourselves punching in 205 !

    Television is the opium of the under-fives!

    Oh, I agree. We'll expose him very very sparingly.

    I stumbled across a new version of The Clangers on there last night,
    what a revelation !

    We were looking after the grandchildren a few years ago and were very
    grateful indeed for Cbeebies! But, to be fair, the real revelation was
    Peppa Pig, which was obviously written with adults in mind too. At one
    time I think I had almost 150 episodes recorded.

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to williamwright on Wed Sep 7 07:43:45 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 06:10, williamwright wrote:
    On 06/09/2022 18:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    And now we're grandparents we may well find ourselves punching in 205 !

    Television is the opium of the under-fives!

    Oh, I agree. We'll expose him very very sparingly.

    I stumbled across a new version of The Clangers on there last night,
    what a revelation !

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed Sep 7 08:45:39 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 08:40, Woody wrote:
    On Wed 07/09/2022 08:13, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 07:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 06:10, williamwright wrote:
    On 06/09/2022 18:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    And now we're grandparents we may well find ourselves punching in
    205 !

    Television is the opium of the under-fives!

    Oh, I agree. We'll expose him very very sparingly.

    I stumbled across a new version of The Clangers on there last night,
    what a revelation !

    We were looking after the grandchildren a few years ago and were very
    grateful indeed for Cbeebies! But, to be fair, the real revelation
    was Peppa Pig, which was obviously written with adults in mind too.
    At one time I think I had almost 150 episodes recorded.


    We all forget that Magic Roundabout was written for two ages -
    youngsters and adults!

    Our sons 20 or so years ago managed to persuade my in-laws to let them
    stay up to watch South Park !

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Sep 7 08:40:36 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Wed 07/09/2022 08:13, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 07:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 06:10, williamwright wrote:
    On 06/09/2022 18:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    And now we're grandparents we may well find ourselves punching in 205 ! >>>
    Television is the opium of the under-fives!

    Oh, I agree. We'll expose him very very sparingly.

    I stumbled across a new version of The Clangers on there last night,
    what a revelation !

    We were looking after the grandchildren a few years ago and were very grateful indeed for Cbeebies! But, to be fair, the real revelation was
    Peppa Pig, which was obviously written with adults in mind too. At one
    time I think I had almost 150 episodes recorded.


    We all forget that Magic Roundabout was written for two ages -
    youngsters and adults!

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 08:39:53 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Tue 06/09/2022 22:19, MB wrote:
    Amazing, we are getting BBC 4 HD on Freeview Lite!




    Why? PSB3 is part of all Freeview Lite stations.

    And note that PSB3 is now the ONLY HD mux on DTTV with the closure of Com7.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed Sep 7 09:23:09 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <tf9htl$69go$2@dont-email.me>,
    Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
    On Wed 07/09/2022 08:13, Jeff Layman wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 07:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 06:10, williamwright wrote:
    On 06/09/2022 18:52, Mark Carver wrote:
    And now we're grandparents we may well find ourselves punching in 205 ! >>>
    Television is the opium of the under-fives!

    Oh, I agree. We'll expose him very very sparingly.

    I stumbled across a new version of The Clangers on there last night,
    what a revelation !

    We were looking after the grandchildren a few years ago and were very grateful indeed for Cbeebies! But, to be fair, the real revelation was Peppa Pig, which was obviously written with adults in mind too. At one
    time I think I had almost 150 episodes recorded.


    We all forget that Magic Roundabout was written for two ages -
    youngsters and adults!

    I didn't forget, indeed, I nearly mentioned it.

    --
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  • From NY@21:1/5 to charles on Wed Sep 7 09:42:48 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    "charles" <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote in message news:5a241a94b0charles@candehope.me.uk...
    In article <tf9htl$69go$2@dont-email.me>,

    We all forget that Magic Roundabout was written for two ages -
    youngsters and adults!

    I didn't forget, indeed, I nearly mentioned it.

    And the original Serge Danot French version was apparently written as a political satire. Eric Thompson worked out completely new stories and
    dialogue, based on what was happening on-screen.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 09:52:00 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On the other hand they probably did not have a shilling for the meter.
    Brian

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    On 06/09/2022 16:35, Dave Hill wrote:
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on
    PSB 3 ?

    https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-four-hd-and-cbeebies-hd-restored-on-freeview

    When I saw the thread title, I thought for a moment it was going to be an announcement that BBC had decided to abandon the broadcast of BBC Four HD
    and CBeebies HD on COM3.

    But they've done it. Not quite as seamless a handover from COM7 to PSB3 as
    it should have been and as they'd have liked, but they've got there. Well done to the engineers for getting it going. I presume most of the delay
    was in obtaining the equipment, and the actual configuration took the expected length of time that it would have done if they'd had the
    equipment when they anticipated.

    Maybe the news about it should have been handled better: if they'd said before the closure "we hoped to transfer BBC Four seamlessly from COM7 to PSB3 but we will not be able to do that because equipment has not yet arrived" and then kept people informed about the progress with expected in-service date (even if it slips) rather than a fairly meaningless
    "soon".


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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed Sep 7 10:00:06 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    I had hoped we might have had fewer shopping channels after the switch, and maybe the god channel could go as well. After all most tvs have smart functions, many people have the internet and all of the current offerings
    plus many more are on web sites or youtube.

    What amazed me the other day was a 'cheap' illuminated magnifier being offered, but then they say please ring the number at the bottom of your screens. Erm, yes well anyone else see the lack of logic here?
    Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:tf9hsa$69go$1@dont-email.me...
    On Tue 06/09/2022 22:19, MB wrote:
    Amazing, we are getting BBC 4 HD on Freeview Lite!




    Why? PSB3 is part of all Freeview Lite stations.

    And note that PSB3 is now the ONLY HD mux on DTTV with the closure of
    Com7.


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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Wed Sep 7 10:09:05 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 08:13, Jeff Layman wrote:
    We were looking after the grandchildren a few years ago and were very grateful indeed for Cbeebies! But, to be fair, the real revelation was
    Peppa Pig, which was obviously written with adults in mind too. At one
    time I think I had almost 150 episodes recorded.



    I ewas reading this morning that Peppa Pig has now gone woke.

    "'I live with my mummy and my other mummy': Peppa Pig introduces
    classmate character who is being brought up by same-sex parents "

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Wed Sep 7 14:03:39 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 13:35, Java Jive wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 10:00, Brian Gaff wrote:

      What amazed me the other day  was a  'cheap' illuminated magnifier 
    being
    offered, but then they say please ring the number at the bottom of your
    screens. Erm, yes well anyone else see the lack of logic here?
      Brian

    LOL!  That's like the famous Tomorrow's World episode of the 1980s
    when Judith Chalmers (I think was her name) was introducing Japanese
    high definition TVs.  Indicating the picture displayed to UK viewers
    on their standard definition TVs, she began: "As you can see ..."

    It was Judith Hann.
    Judith Chalmers was on Thames TV's Wish You Were Here, and consequently
    had a permanent orange glow.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Hann

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Chalmers

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Wed Sep 7 13:35:32 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 10:00, Brian Gaff wrote:

    What amazed me the other day was a 'cheap' illuminated magnifier being offered, but then they say please ring the number at the bottom of your screens. Erm, yes well anyone else see the lack of logic here?
    Brian

    LOL! That's like the famous Tomorrow's World episode of the 1980s when
    Judith Chalmers (I think was her name) was introducing Japanese high
    definition TVs. Indicating the picture displayed to UK viewers on their standard definition TVs, she began: "As you can see ..."

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  • From Java Jive@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Sep 7 14:30:48 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 14:03, Mark Carver wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 13:35, Java Jive wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 10:00, Brian Gaff wrote:

      What amazed me the other day  was a  'cheap' illuminated magnifier
    being
    offered, but then they say please ring the number at the bottom of your
    screens. Erm, yes well anyone else see the lack of logic here?
      Brian

    LOL!  That's like the famous Tomorrow's World episode of the 1980s
    when Judith Chalmers (I think was her name) was introducing Japanese
    high definition TVs.  Indicating the picture displayed to UK viewers
    on their standard definition TVs, she began: "As you can see ..."

    It was Judith Hann.
    Judith Chalmers was on Thames TV's Wish You Were Here, and consequently
    had a permanent orange glow.

    LOL!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Hann

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Chalmers

    Thanks for the correction.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 7 16:58:36 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 10:09, MB wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 08:13, Jeff Layman wrote:

    We were looking after the grandchildren a few years ago and were very
    grateful indeed for Cbeebies! But, to be fair, the real revelation was
    Peppa Pig, which was obviously written with adults in mind too. At one
    time I think I had almost 150 episodes recorded.

    I ewas reading this morning that Peppa Pig has now gone woke.

    "'I live with my mummy and my other mummy': Peppa Pig introduces
    classmate character who is being brought up by same-sex parents "

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/62818670
    "Meet Thomas the Tank Engine's first autistic character"

    "Bruno the Brake Car"

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Sep 7 21:14:20 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 07:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    Oh, I agree. We'll expose him very very sparingly.

    No, the little blighter has to be hardened so he can survive in the
    modern world. He needs a screen in front of him at all times!

    Bill

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Java Jive on Thu Sep 8 10:55:17 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Yes not enough vetting of scripts.
    I also do wonder about adverts sometimes. Orcam keep running there
    commercial for Orcam Read, and though its very clever technically, it is
    both ridiculously expensive and has a short battery life. We have two at our charity and nobody will even take them off our hands.
    Brian

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    "Java Jive" <java@evij.com.invalid> wrote in message news:tfa6e9$85h4$1@dont-email.me...
    On 07/09/2022 14:03, Mark Carver wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 13:35, Java Jive wrote:

    On 07/09/2022 10:00, Brian Gaff wrote:

    What amazed me the other day was a 'cheap' illuminated magnifier being >>>> offered, but then they say please ring the number at the bottom of your >>>> screens. Erm, yes well anyone else see the lack of logic here?
    Brian

    LOL! That's like the famous Tomorrow's World episode of the 1980s when
    Judith Chalmers (I think was her name) was introducing Japanese high
    definition TVs. Indicating the picture displayed to UK viewers on their
    standard definition TVs, she began: "As you can see ..."

    It was Judith Hann.
    Judith Chalmers was on Thames TV's Wish You Were Here, and consequently
    had a permanent orange glow.

    LOL!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Hann

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Chalmers

    Thanks for the correction.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to williamwright on Thu Sep 8 10:27:51 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 07/09/2022 21:14, williamwright wrote:
    On 07/09/2022 07:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    Oh, I agree. We'll expose him very very sparingly.

    No, the little blighter has to be hardened so he can survive in the
    modern world. He needs a screen in front of him at all times!
    He giggles every-time we ask Alexa to do something.

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to Dave Hill on Thu Sep 8 09:47:03 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <1845935966.684171278.997305.nospam-hillcroft.org.uk.invalid@news.individual.net>,
    Dave Hill <nospam@hillcroft.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on
    PSB 3 ?

    https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-four-hd-and-cbeebies-hd-restored-on-freeview

    As yet I've not actually seen BBC Four HD reappear here, and my Tv hasn't promted a re-scan as it usually does when a channel comes/goes/moves. The
    106 here mentions BBC Four (no HD). Hasn't shown the 'back soon' either. So this may be 'in transit' in some way or my TV is confused by the deckchair suffling that's been going on.

    I'll check again today. Hope it reappears before the LNOTP!

    Jim

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Thu Sep 8 12:34:11 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 08/09/2022 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
    In article <1845935966.684171278.997305.nospam-hillcroft.org.uk.invalid@news.individual.net>,
    Dave Hill <nospam@hillcroft.org.uk.invalid> wrote:
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    It looks to me as if BBC 4 HD and CBeebies HD have finally launched on
    PSB 3 ?

    https://rxtvinfo.com/2022/bbc-four-hd-and-cbeebies-hd-restored-on-freeview

    As yet I've not actually seen BBC Four HD reappear here, and my Tv hasn't promted a re-scan as it usually does when a channel comes/goes/moves. The
    106 here mentions BBC Four (no HD). Hasn't shown the 'back soon' either. So this may be 'in transit' in some way or my TV is confused by the deckchair suffling that's been going on.

    I'll check again today. Hope it reappears before the LNOTP!

    I wonder if you need to get your TV to do an explicit scan. As far as I
    can tell, when BBC Four HD first appeared in the list of channels on
    PSB3, just after COM7 closed down, the entry quoted the stream IDs for
    the video, audio and subtitles, but there was no data being transmitted
    on those IDs. Now there is data. So I'd expect the TV *not* to need a
    rescan - but I could be wrong. Maybe the IDs have changed from the ones
    that were initially quoted when BBC Four HD was first added to the PSB3
    list.

    Would all transmitters (main and relay) have started to transmit BBC
    Four HD at the same time a few days ago, or could there be a
    transitional phase when the main transmitters have the video etc streams
    but the Freeview Lite transmitters don't yet?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Thu Sep 8 13:29:40 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 08/09/2022 09:47, Jim Lesurf wrote:
    As yet I've not actually seen BBC Four HD reappear here, and my Tv hasn't promted a re-scan as it usually does when a channel comes/goes/moves. The
    106 here mentions BBC Four (no HD). Hasn't shown the 'back soon' either. So this may be 'in transit' in some way or my TV is confused by the deckchair suffling that's been going on.


    The same with mine, I wonder if it was because they have had a caption
    up and that was on BBC 4 HD channel number so perhaps the TV sets have
    not noticed a change?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Woody on Thu Sep 8 19:07:31 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Woody wrote:

    PSB3 is now the ONLY HD mux on DTTV with the closure of Com7.

    I wondered how the statmuxers would cope with identical versions the news special on BBC1/BBC2/BBC3 and BBC4, but the latter two have banners saying tune to BBC1 for a major news story.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Fri Sep 9 14:25:29 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 08/09/2022 19:07, Andy Burns wrote:
    Woody wrote:

    PSB3 is now the ONLY HD mux on DTTV with the closure of Com7.

    I wondered how the statmuxers would cope with identical versions the
    news special on BBC1/BBC2/BBC3 and BBC4, but the latter two have banners saying tune to BBC1 for a major news story.

    I don't know how "statmuxing" works, but I would have thought if it was
    clever it could see that the channels are showing the same stuff and
    just transmit one channel and duplicate it for the others.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 9 15:15:48 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:X6GdnemiZqtUo4b-nZ2dnZfqnPudnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
    On 08/09/2022 19:07, Andy Burns wrote:
    Woody wrote:

    PSB3 is now the ONLY HD mux on DTTV with the closure of Com7.

    I wondered how the statmuxers would cope with identical versions the news
    special on BBC1/BBC2/BBC3 and BBC4, but the latter two have banners
    saying tune to BBC1 for a major news story.

    I don't know how "statmuxing" works, but I would have thought if it was clever it could see that the channels are showing the same stuff and just transmit one channel and duplicate it for the others.

    Is there a mechanism in the DVB standard to do that. When a TV is "tuned"/scanned, it creates its own local list of channels (name and LCN)
    with a corresponding list of stream IDs: BBC One video, BBC One main sound,
    BBC One AD sound, BBC Two video etc. It uses those in preference to the versions of those tables which are repeated periodically (how often?) in the broadcast stream.

    In theory, a mux could contain an instruction which said "use the broadcast version rather than the local stored version" and then it could transmit a single video stream that was shared by several channels, so no matter
    whether the TV was tuned to BBC One or BBC Two they got exactly the same
    data (not two separate copies of the same data) which would reduce the bandwidth requirements considerable and would allow greater bandwidth to be devoted to the one shared copy.

    But I doubt very much whether this is possible in practice. Is is a
    situation that was thought sufficiently likely that the standard caters for
    it?

    I have seen a few duplicate channels sharing the same PID on *satellite*.
    For example 10773H has an channel ETV1 which shares video and audio PIDs
    with those for BBC One London. There are a few other ETV<n> channels which share PIDs with other channels on the same mux.

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  • From Jim Lesurf@21:1/5 to me@privacy.net on Fri Sep 9 10:09:45 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <uYydnfsy78GuToT-nZ2dnZfqnPXNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:
    As yet I've not actually seen BBC Four HD reappear here, and my Tv
    hasn't promted a re-scan as it usually does when a channel comes/goes/moves. The 106 here mentions BBC Four (no HD).

    Hasn't shown the 'back soon' either. So this may be 'in transit' in
    some way or my TV is confused by the deckchair suffling that's been
    going on.


    I'll check again today. Hope it reappears before the LNOTP!

    I wonder if you need to get your TV to do an explicit scan.

    No HD last night. So I forced a scan this morning. Know more this evening. However 'events' may mean no LNOTP anyway. Or at least one that is far from
    the norm given the sad event.

    Jim

    --
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    Armstrong Audio http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/Armstrong/armstrong.html
    biog http://jcgl.orpheusweb.co.uk/history/ups_and_downs.html
    Audio Misc http://www.audiomisc.co.uk/index.html

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to me@privacy.net on Sat Sep 10 20:34:01 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 12:34:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    Maybe the IDs have changed from the ones that were initially quoted when
    BBC Four HD was first added to the PSB3 list.

    They haven't.

    Would all transmitters (main and relay) have started to transmit BBC
    Four HD at the same time a few days ago, or could there be a
    transitional phase when the main transmitters have the video etc streams
    but the Freeview Lite transmitters don't yet?

    The definition of a relay is one that re-transmits the main.
    The conclusion is obvious.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Sat Sep 10 23:20:55 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    "Paul Ratcliffe" <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote in message news:slrnthpt5p.5qtg.abuse@news.pr.network...
    On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 12:34:11 +0100, NY <me@privacy.net> wrote:

    Maybe the IDs have changed from the ones that were initially quoted when
    BBC Four HD was first added to the PSB3 list.

    They haven't.

    OK. So if people had retuned when PSB3 first included BBC Four in the header tables, they should just be able to receive that channel when its video and audio streams started to be broadcast recently.

    Would all transmitters (main and relay) have started to transmit BBC
    Four HD at the same time a few days ago, or could there be a
    transitional phase when the main transmitters have the video etc streams
    but the Freeview Lite transmitters don't yet?

    The definition of a relay is one that re-transmits the main.
    The conclusion is obvious.

    Ah, I wasn't sure whether there were any Freeview Lite transmitters that
    didn't receive off-air from a main transmitter, and which might in theory
    not have got the BBC Four streams when the main transmitter started.
    Clutching at straws to think of a reason for the problem that people were experiencing.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Jim Lesurf on Tue Sep 13 13:09:16 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 09/09/2022 10:09, Jim Lesurf wrote:

    No HD last night. So I forced a scan this morning. Know more this evening.

    If you still haven't got it, you may find it at Ch 800. That's where I
    found it on one of our tellies where I ran a manual scan on for PSB 3 to
    add it.

    I was able to manually re-map it to Ch 9 (to replace BBC 4 SD). If you
    can't do that, you might need to reset and run a brand new full scan

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Wed Sep 14 10:20:30 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 23:20:55 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    Maybe the IDs have changed from the ones that were initially quoted when >>> BBC Four HD was first added to the PSB3 list.

    They haven't.

    OK. So if people had retuned when PSB3 first included BBC Four in the header tables, they should just be able to receive that channel when its video and audio streams started to be broadcast recently.

    Yep. That's what I did and it just worked when the data started arriving
    last week.

    Would all transmitters (main and relay) have started to transmit BBC
    Four HD at the same time a few days ago, or could there be a
    transitional phase when the main transmitters have the video etc streams >>> but the Freeview Lite transmitters don't yet?

    The definition of a relay is one that re-transmits the main.
    The conclusion is obvious.

    Ah, I wasn't sure whether there were any Freeview Lite transmitters that didn't receive off-air from a main transmitter, and which might in theory
    not have got the BBC Four streams when the main transmitter started.

    Maybe there are. I expect Mark knows. I don't.
    Freeview Lite does not necessarily mean relay though.

    Clutching at straws to think of a reason for the problem that people were experiencing.

    I can't explain it either.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Wed Sep 14 12:42:55 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 14/09/2022 11:20, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    On Sat, 10 Sep 2022 23:20:55 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

    Ah, I wasn't sure whether there were any Freeview Lite transmitters that didn't receive off-air from a main transmitter, and which might in theory
    not have got the BBC Four streams when the main transmitter started.
    Maybe there are. I expect Mark knows. I don't.
    Freeview Lite does not necessarily mean relay though.

    There are a smattering of three mux relays that are fibre fed.

    Countisbury (that serves Lynton and Lynmouth) is a good example.

    PSB 1 and 3 are fibre fed, because that site has always suffered
    problems receiving a decent off air feed from Mendip, (stretching back
    into the analogue era).
    However, even the main stations are largely 'dumb terminals'. What comes
    in on the fibre feeds to all txs is the mux more or less pre-assembled
    with its channels, so if something is missing from one transmitter,
    it'll be missing from all within the regional group.

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