• Crediting music tracks

    From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 29 22:33:31 2022
    I have noticed that radio stations often do not name the tracks they
    play (Gold never does, at least during its automated programming). In
    the old days they used to name the artist and title, either before or
    after (back announcing) playing the record, which I thought was for
    copyright reasons. Was this ever a requirement, and has this changed?

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to Scott on Tue Aug 30 08:29:43 2022
    Not that I know of, they only need to keep a record of the things they play, sometimes you can see it scroll on the display, but you are correct, they obviously don't give a hoot about blind listeners. It is perfectly possible using software like play station radio for anyone to make a voice tracked program in a very short time as they only need to ehear the start and ends
    of the tracks and even get a countdown till the vocals if the database of tracks is kept updated.
    In my view its merely cheapskate behaviour

    Brian

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    "Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:40cqgh1ibrb1ea9hfnko29at266b0qrls8@4ax.com...
    I have noticed that radio stations often do not name the tracks they
    play (Gold never does, at least during its automated programming). In
    the old days they used to name the artist and title, either before or
    after (back announcing) playing the record, which I thought was for
    copyright reasons. Was this ever a requirement, and has this changed?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Brian Gaff on Tue Aug 30 08:45:50 2022
    On 30/08/2022 08:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Not that I know of, they only need to keep a record of the things they play, sometimes you can see it scroll on the display, but you are correct, they obviously don't give a hoot about blind listeners. It is perfectly possible using software like play station radio for anyone to make a voice tracked program in a very short time as they only need to ehear the start and ends
    of the tracks and even get a countdown till the vocals if the database of tracks is kept updated.
    In my view its merely cheapskate behaviour

    I thought the track being played was on RDS and DAB. Not really
    anything the broadcasters can do about the equipment being used by
    listeners.

    I notice that "Please note, the radio will not speak the station name,
    as this feature is not currently compatible with digital radios."

    So someone needs to produce a radio that speaks the track being played
    but it would be expensive and would there be sufficient market to make
    viable so would need a grant or subsidy.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 30 08:58:52 2022
    On 30/08/2022 08:45, MB wrote:
    On 30/08/2022 08:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Not that I know of, they only need to keep a record of the things they
    play,
    sometimes you can see it scroll on the display, but you are correct, they
    obviously don't give a hoot about blind listeners. It is perfectly
    possible
    using software like play station radio for anyone to make a voice tracked
    program in a very short time as they only need to ehear the start and
    ends
    of the tracks and even get a countdown till the vocals if the database of
    tracks is kept updated.
    In my view its merely cheapskate behaviour

    I thought the track being played was on RDS and DAB. Not really
    anything the broadcasters can do about the equipment being used by
    listeners.

    Not all stations bother using the RDS or DAB data stream to show the
    track names.

    I notice that "Please note, the radio will not speak the station name,
    as this feature is not currently compatible with digital radios."

    So someone needs to produce a radio that speaks the track being played
    but it would be expensive and would there be sufficient market to make
    viable so would need a grant or subsidy.

    As DAB radios are basically a computer attached to an aerial it is
    matter of making sure there is enough processing power and the correct programming of the computer. As DAB is pretty much a worldwide standard,
    and the text to speech bit only needs programming once...

    In a related note, I use a watch that speaks the time, only cost me
    fifteen quid, and has a battery life of about six months, so it can be done.


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    John.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Tue Aug 30 09:36:02 2022
    On Tue, 30 Aug 2022 08:45:50 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 30/08/2022 08:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Not that I know of, they only need to keep a record of the things they play, >> sometimes you can see it scroll on the display, but you are correct, they
    obviously don't give a hoot about blind listeners. It is perfectly possible >> using software like play station radio for anyone to make a voice tracked
    program in a very short time as they only need to ehear the start and ends >> of the tracks and even get a countdown till the vocals if the database of
    tracks is kept updated.
    In my view its merely cheapskate behaviour

    I thought the track being played was on RDS and DAB. Not really
    anything the broadcasters can do about the equipment being used by
    listeners.

    Remind me - what percentage of radio listening takes place in cars?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Tue Aug 30 10:28:01 2022
    On 30/08/2022 08:58, John Williamson wrote:
    Not all stations bother using the RDS or DAB data stream to show the
    track names.

    I never listen to commercial radio stations so not noticed.

    Should not be difficult to make it a condition of their licence.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Scott on Tue Aug 30 15:10:39 2022
    On 29/08/2022 22:33, Scott wrote:

    I have noticed that radio stations often do not name the tracks they
    play (Gold never does, at least during its automated programming). In
    the old days they used to name the artist and title, either before or
    after (back announcing) playing the record, which I thought was for
    copyright reasons. Was this ever a requirement, and has this changed?

    When records started to be broadcast on radio the record companies
    insisted that the presenters quote the record label (e.g. Decca) and
    record number. I don't know when the requirement ended, but I recall
    that some long term presenters continued with the practice (on the Light Programme) into the 60s.

    Record labels soon discovered that hearing a record on the radio
    increased the chance that people would want to buy it, not reduce it.

    (Incidentally, with regard to spoken song names, I am told that
    phonograph cylinder recordings once started with an announcement of the
    title and artist.)

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    Max Demian

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Tue Aug 30 21:52:05 2022
    Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote:

    [...]
    (Incidentally, with regard to spoken song names, I am told that
    phonograph cylinder recordings once started with an announcement of the
    title and artist.)

    That was because cylinders had nowhere to put the label. They often
    announced the name of the company too (to prevent copying or re-boxing
    and passing-off as a different make).


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  • From Ashley Booth@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed Aug 31 07:57:34 2022
    Max Demian wrote:

    On 29/08/2022 22:33, Scott wrote:

    I have noticed that radio stations often do not name the tracks they
    play (Gold never does, at least during its automated programming).
    In the old days they used to name the artist and title, either
    before or after (back announcing) playing the record, which I
    thought was for copyright reasons. Was this ever a requirement,
    and has this changed?

    When records started to be broadcast on radio the record companies
    insisted that the presenters quote the record label (e.g. Decca) and
    record number. I don't know when the requirement ended, but I recall
    that some long term presenters continued with the practice (on the
    Light Programme) into the 60s.

    Record labels soon discovered that hearing a record on the radio
    increased the chance that people would want to buy it, not reduce it.

    (Incidentally, with regard to spoken song names, I am told that
    phonograph cylinder recordings once started with an announcement of
    the title and artist.)

    I remember, on Radio London (The pirate station), the DJ annoucing that
    the record he was playing 'was waxed on Stax'!

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Aug 31 11:20:45 2022
    It is being worked on, but I was mostly referring to the overnights
    automation. it seems to me that they just don't want a presenter, even if
    they are only engaged for an hour for a multi hour program recorded in
    advance.
    Brian

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    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:tekf7e$1e105$1@dont-email.me...
    On 30/08/2022 08:29, Brian Gaff wrote:
    Not that I know of, they only need to keep a record of the things they
    play,
    sometimes you can see it scroll on the display, but you are correct, they
    obviously don't give a hoot about blind listeners. It is perfectly
    possible
    using software like play station radio for anyone to make a voice tracked
    program in a very short time as they only need to ehear the start and
    ends
    of the tracks and even get a countdown till the vocals if the database of
    tracks is kept updated.
    In my view its merely cheapskate behaviour

    I thought the track being played was on RDS and DAB. Not really anything
    the broadcasters can do about the equipment being used by listeners.

    I notice that "Please note, the radio will not speak the station name, as this feature is not currently compatible with digital radios."

    So someone needs to produce a radio that speaks the track being played but
    it would be expensive and would there be sufficient market to make viable
    so would need a grant or subsidy.



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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to brian1gaff@gmail.com on Wed Aug 31 11:31:07 2022
    On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 11:20:45 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
    <brian1gaff@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is being worked on, but I was mostly referring to the overnights >automation. it seems to me that they just don't want a presenter, even if >they are only engaged for an hour for a multi hour program recorded in >advance.
    Brian

    Do they need a presenter? Could they not add the artist and title to
    the same database as the track itself in the way that Network Rail
    create station announcements? Instead of 'This is Gold' it could say
    'This is Elvis Presley on Gold with Wooden Heart'.

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