• New Stellarium

    From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 28 13:39:33 2021
    Many here will know the excellent skywatching software "Stellarium",
    which just had an update today.

    For some reason, every time it updates, I have to set the default
    location again. No big deal, but a curious change has been made.
    Previously when I typed Liverpool it would offer a choice between
    Liverpool UK or Liverpool Australia, but in today's version the nearer
    one is now Liverpool Northern Europe.

    Are we in Europe again, or does it it just mean brexit wasn't written
    in the stars?

    Rod.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Tue Sep 28 16:41:24 2021
    On 28/09/2021 13:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    Many here will know the excellent skywatching software "Stellarium",
    which just had an update today.

    For some reason, every time it updates, I have to set the default
    location again. No big deal, but a curious change has been made.
    Previously when I typed Liverpool it would offer a choice between
    Liverpool UK or Liverpool Australia, but in today's version the nearer
    one is now Liverpool Northern Europe.

    Are we in Europe again, or does it it just mean brexit wasn't written
    in the stars?


    We have never been and are not out of Europe - which is the name of a
    land mass.

    We ARE out of the European Union which is a very different matter.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Wed Sep 29 09:08:35 2021
    I'd think the latter, but maybe we are in Europe from the geography point of view, not the market point of view.
    Brian

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    "Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message news:4l26lg55hfk76tk5739dosvl66dnkcjn7i@4ax.com...
    Many here will know the excellent skywatching software "Stellarium",
    which just had an update today.

    For some reason, every time it updates, I have to set the default
    location again. No big deal, but a curious change has been made.
    Previously when I typed Liverpool it would offer a choice between
    Liverpool UK or Liverpool Australia, but in today's version the nearer
    one is now Liverpool Northern Europe.

    Are we in Europe again, or does it it just mean brexit wasn't written
    in the stars?

    Rod.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed Sep 29 09:09:48 2021
    I believe there is a Liverpool also in America as well, but its not such a
    big place.
    Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sivd32$6bu$1@dont-email.me...
    On 28/09/2021 13:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    Many here will know the excellent skywatching software "Stellarium",
    which just had an update today.

    For some reason, every time it updates, I have to set the default
    location again. No big deal, but a curious change has been made.
    Previously when I typed Liverpool it would offer a choice between
    Liverpool UK or Liverpool Australia, but in today's version the nearer
    one is now Liverpool Northern Europe.

    Are we in Europe again, or does it it just mean brexit wasn't written
    in the stars?


    We have never been and are not out of Europe - which is the name of a land mass.

    We ARE out of the European Union which is a very different matter.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed Sep 29 11:04:33 2021
    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sivd32$6bu$1@dont-email.me...
    On 28/09/2021 13:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    Many here will know the excellent skywatching software "Stellarium",
    which just had an update today.

    For some reason, every time it updates, I have to set the default
    location again. No big deal, but a curious change has been made.
    Previously when I typed Liverpool it would offer a choice between
    Liverpool UK or Liverpool Australia, but in today's version the nearer
    one is now Liverpool Northern Europe.

    Are we in Europe again, or does it it just mean brexit wasn't written
    in the stars?


    We have never been and are not out of Europe - which is the name of a land mass.

    We ARE out of the European Union which is a very different matter.

    Well said. I feel part of Europe, both geographically and culturally. I have
    no real problem with any of our neighbouring countries. It's only the malign influence of the EU ("greater *political* and *legal* union") that I object
    to.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Wed Sep 29 11:21:42 2021
    In article <sj1dnb$9hm$1@dont-email.me>,
    NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sivd32$6bu$1@dont-email.me...

    We have never been and are not out of Europe - which is the name
    of a land mass.

    We ARE out of the European Union which is a very different matter.

    Well said. I feel part of Europe, both geographically and
    culturally. I have no real problem with any of our neighbouring
    countries. It's only the malign influence of the EU ("greater
    *political* and *legal* union") that I object to.

    +1

    Bob.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Woody on Wed Sep 29 13:17:42 2021
    On 28/09/2021 16:41, Woody wrote:
    On 28/09/2021 13:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    Many here will know the excellent skywatching software "Stellarium",
    which just had an update today.

    For some reason, every time it updates, I have to set the default
    location again. No big deal, but a curious change has been made.
    Previously when I typed Liverpool it would offer a choice between
    Liverpool UK or Liverpool Australia, but in today's version the nearer
    one is now Liverpool Northern Europe.

    Are we in Europe again, or does it it just mean brexit wasn't written
    in the stars?


    We have never been and are not out of Europe - which is the name of a
    land mass.

    That's "continental Europe" or "The Continent". If we hadn't been in
    Europe we wouldn't have been allowed to join the EEC (though it was
    discussed whether Turkey could join - which is clearly in Asia - and, historically, *was* Asia).

    --
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  • From NY@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 29 15:13:03 2021
    "Max Demian" <max_demian@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:M7KdnR1784H0xMn8nZ2dnUU78aPNnZ2d@brightview.co.uk...
    On 28/09/2021 16:41, Woody wrote:
    On 28/09/2021 13:39, Roderick Stewart wrote:

    Many here will know the excellent skywatching software "Stellarium",
    which just had an update today.

    For some reason, every time it updates, I have to set the default
    location again. No big deal, but a curious change has been made.
    Previously when I typed Liverpool it would offer a choice between
    Liverpool UK or Liverpool Australia, but in today's version the nearer
    one is now Liverpool Northern Europe.

    Are we in Europe again, or does it it just mean brexit wasn't written
    in the stars?


    We have never been and are not out of Europe - which is the name of a
    land mass.

    That's "continental Europe" or "The Continent". If we hadn't been in
    Europe we wouldn't have been allowed to join the EEC (though it was
    discussed whether Turkey could join - which is clearly in Asia - and, historically, *was* Asia).

    I preferred the EEC when it was a trading alliance of western European countries, before they widened the scope to bring in eastern European
    countries with different standards of living and economies. That paved the
    way for "economic tourism" where people from a country with a low standard
    of living (low wages, low prices) come to countries where they can earn
    more, but then send the money home where it will buy more than in the
    country where they are working.

    That's not necessarily just an EU problem. They same could happen if people from (for example) the UK chose to work in Norway (which isn't even in the
    EU) where wages and prices are higher, but then chose to exchange their NOK into GBP and send it home where it will buy more than in Norway. Leads to resentment no matter who the two countries are.


    I wish we could go back to the days of the EEC (as we voted for in the 1975 referendum) which was mainly a trading "Common Market" without the malign attempts to unify political, taxation and legal processes, taking away some
    of those sovereign rights. Apparently the EU dictated a minimum (not a maximum!) level of VAT which all countries must charge: if the UK had wanted
    to reduce VAT temporarily for party-political advantage, the EU would would have forbidden it. As I understand it - I could be wrong.

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  • From Sn!pe@21:1/5 to Bob Latham on Wed Sep 29 20:41:31 2021
    Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

    In article <sj1dnb$9hm$1@dont-email.me>,
    NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sivd32$6bu$1@dont-email.me...

    We have never been and are not out of Europe - which is the name
    of a land mass.

    We ARE out of the European Union which is a very different matter.

    Well said. I feel part of Europe, both geographically and
    culturally. I have no real problem with any of our neighbouring
    countries. It's only the malign influence of the EU ("greater
    *political* and *legal* union") that I object to.

    +1

    Bob.

    +2

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  • From Vir Campestris@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Thu Sep 30 21:49:00 2021
    On 29/09/2021 13:17, Max Demian wrote:

    That's "continental Europe" or "The Continent". If we hadn't been in
    Europe we wouldn't have been allowed to join the EEC (though it was
    discussed whether Turkey could join - which is clearly in Asia - and, historically, *was* Asia).

    We can sit down with a map, and pretty easily agree where Africa joins
    on (Suez Canal? - maybe 100 miles) and where North and South America
    meet (Panama? Maybe 40 miles)

    Europe/Asia?

    How about Odessa - Gdansk. 750 miles.

    Geographically there is no such continent as Europe, any more than there
    is one called India.

    It's a political distinction, and shouldn't worry astronomers.

    Andy

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