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  • BBC 4 HD and Cbeebies HD to move to PSB 3

    From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 2 10:58:15 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Jun 2 11:48:31 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 02/06/2022 11:45, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:58:15 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7
    Thank goodness. Life would not be the same without Bob the Builder.

    What about CBBC? I thought I read it was going online only. There
    were also reports of BBC Four going online only.

    The idea of CBBC and BBC 4 going on line only, so far is only a
    *_suggestion_* and even it happens, is still 3 or 4 years away.

    Anyway, CBBC HD is on PSB 3 already

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Thu Jun 2 11:45:13 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:58:15 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7

    Thank goodness. Life would not be the same without Bob the Builder.

    What about CBBC? I thought I read it was going online only. There
    were also reports of BBC Four going online only.

    If Radio 4 Extra moves online, will this improve the bitrate for other
    BBC stations?

    Can we fix it - yes we can.

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Jun 2 11:31:08 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/06/2022 11:45, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:58:15 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7
    Thank goodness. Life would not be the same without Bob the Builder.

    What about CBBC? I thought I read it was going online only. There
    were also reports of BBC Four going online only.

    The idea of CBBC and BBC 4 going on line only, so far is only a *_suggestion_* and even it happens, is still 3 or 4 years away.

    Anyway, CBBC HD is on PSB 3 already


    What’s the “newly identified capacity” on PSB3? Have they been carelessly wasting bits until now….?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to Tweed on Thu Jun 2 16:08:15 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 11:31:08, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/06/2022 11:45, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:58:15 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7

    They obviously slipped up with that web page; it displayed fine on my
    old Firefox. I thought it was BBC policy that all webpages require a bleeding-edge browser (and even then often malfunction).


    Thank goodness. Life would not be the same without Bob the Builder.

    (-:


    What about CBBC? I thought I read it was going online only. There
    were also reports of BBC Four going online only.

    Yes, I'd heard that - and it seemed odd to do that, having brought BBC3
    back to FreeView; I'd have thought the demographics of the target
    audiences were the other way round. But it seems only the HD version of
    BBC4 might be affected, which perhaps suits the demographic better.

    The idea of CBBC and BBC 4 going on line only, so far is only a
    *_suggestion_* and even it happens, is still 3 or 4 years away.

    Anyway, CBBC HD is on PSB 3 already


    What’s the “newly identified capacity” on PSB3? Have they been carelessly
    wasting bits until now….?

    Yes, I wondered that! (Of course, they could save a _lot_ of capacity -
    but only at certain times - by using the "red button" mechanism,
    whenever they're simulcasting across channels - as they were this
    morning for example between 1 and News.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe
    the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Thu Jun 2 16:26:16 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:08:15 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 11:31:08, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote (my >responses usually FOLLOW):
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/06/2022 11:45, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:58:15 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7

    They obviously slipped up with that web page; it displayed fine on my
    old Firefox. I thought it was BBC policy that all webpages require a >bleeding-edge browser (and even then often malfunction).


    Thank goodness. Life would not be the same without Bob the Builder.

    (-:


    What about CBBC? I thought I read it was going online only. There
    were also reports of BBC Four going online only.

    Yes, I'd heard that - and it seemed odd to do that, having brought BBC3
    back to FreeView; I'd have thought the demographics of the target
    audiences were the other way round. But it seems only the HD version of
    BBC4 might be affected, which perhaps suits the demographic better.

    The idea of CBBC and BBC 4 going on line only, so far is only a
    *_suggestion_* and even it happens, is still 3 or 4 years away.

    Anyway, CBBC HD is on PSB 3 already


    Whats the newly identified capacity on PSB3? Have they been carelessly >>wasting bits until now.?

    Yes, I wondered that! (Of course, they could save a _lot_ of capacity -
    but only at certain times - by using the "red button" mechanism,
    whenever they're simulcasting across channels - as they were this
    morning for example between 1 and News.)

    Would they have to match the programme timings so as not to
    reconfigure during a programme? (I don't think the DAB bitrate is
    changed during programmes?) Would changing the configuration cause
    problems for PVRs?

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Tweed on Thu Jun 2 16:57:11 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 02/06/2022 12:31, Tweed wrote:
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/06/2022 11:45, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:58:15 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7
    Thank goodness. Life would not be the same without Bob the Builder.

    What about CBBC? I thought I read it was going online only. There
    were also reports of BBC Four going online only.

    The idea of CBBC and BBC 4 going on line only, so far is only a
    *_suggestion_* and even it happens, is still 3 or 4 years away.

    Anyway, CBBC HD is on PSB 3 already


    What’s the “newly identified capacity” on PSB3? Have they been carelessly
    wasting bits until now….?

    CBBC HD timeshares with BBC3 HD so there's no extra bandwidth required.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 2 16:48:22 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 16:26:16, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:08:15 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 11:31:08, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote (my >>responses usually FOLLOW):
    []
    What’s the “newly identified capacity” on PSB3? Have they been carelessly
    wasting bits until now….?

    Yes, I wondered that! (Of course, they could save a _lot_ of capacity -
    but only at certain times - by using the "red button" mechanism,
    whenever they're simulcasting across channels - as they were this
    morning for example between 1 and News.)

    Would they have to match the programme timings so as not to
    reconfigure during a programme? (I don't think the DAB bitrate is
    changed during programmes?)

    I don't know. Certainly if I'm watching one of the channels that
    switches to just a card (usually Smithsonian), the card is displayed
    without any action on my part. Though there is a _long_ pause.

    Would changing the configuration cause
    problems for PVRs?

    Almost certainly in some cases.

    Is it even _possible_ to tell receivers to switch to a different
    bitstream? I presume not, otherwise - you'd hope, anyway! - they'd have
    done it by now. Maybe it is, but it's the switching _back_ that can't be automated (maybe you can tell receivers "watching" the brown channel to
    switch to the purple channel, but then when it comes time to switch
    back, telling receivers "watching" the purple channel "switch to the
    brown channel - but only those of you that came here from there" isn't possible). It'd need just about a byte of memory, but I wouldn't be at
    all surprised if that hadn't been built into the standard.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Religion often uses faith as a blindfold, saying anyone who doesn't believe
    the same as us must be wiped out. It's not God saying that. It's people, which is so dangerous. - Jenny Agutter, RT 2015/1/17-23

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 2 18:52:47 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 16:57:11 +0100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
    wrote:

    On 02/06/2022 12:31, Tweed wrote:
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 02/06/2022 11:45, Scott wrote:
    On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 10:58:15 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7
    Thank goodness. Life would not be the same without Bob the Builder.

    What about CBBC? I thought I read it was going online only. There
    were also reports of BBC Four going online only.

    The idea of CBBC and BBC 4 going on line only, so far is only a
    *_suggestion_* and even it happens, is still 3 or 4 years away.

    Anyway, CBBC HD is on PSB 3 already


    Whats the newly identified capacity on PSB3? Have they been carelessly
    wasting bits until now.?

    CBBC HD timeshares with BBC3 HD so there's no extra bandwidth required.

    I think the question being asked is where does the bandwidth for BBC
    Four HD come from?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Sat Jun 4 09:58:19 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Scott wrote:

    I think the question being asked is where does the bandwidth for BBC Four HD come from?

    Maybe 5select and/or TBN get the boot?

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Scott on Sat Jun 4 10:18:40 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Scott wrote:

    I don't think the DAB bitrate is changed during programmes?

    AFAIK it only changes at programme junctions and on some radios it causes an audible dropout.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 4 12:03:40 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat, 4 Jun 2022 10:18:40 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:


    Scott wrote:

    I don't think the DAB bitrate is changed during programmes?

    AFAIK it only changes at programme junctions and on some radios it causes an >audible dropout.

    Would the same principle apply to TV then? This would mean the
    earlier suggestion to reallocate the red button bandwidth during
    programmes is a non-starter.

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  • From Brian G@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Jun 4 12:42:51 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Ho long do we give terrestrial freeview other than the main channels I
    wonder?

    Seems everything except some repeats and the odd soap will be either axed
    or behind pay walls or maybe on Sky. which amounts to the same thing.
    Why not just go back to the 70s and have done with it. grin.
    Brian

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    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Wed Jun 15 12:07:22 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 02/06/2022 10:58, Mark Carver wrote:
    Seems that when COM 7 closes at the end of this month, BBC 4 HD and
    Cbeebies HD will move to PSB 3 (aka the 'main' HD mux)

    BBC News HD on DTT will close

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/waw-com7

    And also on June 30th Forces TV (currently using COM 7) is closing on
    all platforms anyway

    https://twitter.com/forces_tv/status/1537019135573499904

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