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  • The Early Years of Television and the BBC

    From MB@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 10:26:29 2022
    This book has been published by EUP but rather expensive!


    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 4 21:39:58 2022
    On 04/05/2022 10:26, MB wrote:
    This book has been published by EUP but rather expensive!


    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html



    Eighty-five quid? I think I'll wait for the movie.

    Bill

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to williamwright on Mon May 9 15:36:11 2022
    That seems a little steep.
    What does the audio version cost. grin.

    You know I do miss the old days when itv regions did their own thing, and
    one could build vhf aerials out of scrap bits and get multiple itv regions fairly easily. Now what do we have, loads of channels of dross, and not just that but the same dross being passed from channel to channel for ever.

    The radio spectrum is basically the same since most of the commercial big players own most of the stations and the bbc seems to have lost the
    entirely.
    Incidentally, the New Dr Who is about as an aspiring as a can of old paint.
    Brian

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    On 04/05/2022 10:26, MB wrote:
    This book has been published by EUP but rather expensive!


    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html
    Eighty-five quid? I think I'll wait for the movie.

    Bill

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to briang1@blueyonder.co.uk on Mon May 9 21:21:32 2022
    On Mon, 9 May 2022 15:36:11 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    Incidentally, the New Dr Who is about as an aspiring as a can of old paint.

    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read
    somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    <sarcasm>Nice to see the BBC serving the public. </sarcasm>

    Rod.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Tue May 10 03:07:35 2022
    On 09/05/2022 21:21, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Mon, 9 May 2022 15:36:11 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    Incidentally, the New Dr Who is about as an aspiring as a can of old paint.

    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    <sarcasm>Nice to see the BBC serving the public. </sarcasm>

    Rod.

    The BBC is a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I just don't watch even promising-sounding stuff because I fear I'll be annoyed by wokery. I
    watch telly to relax, not to be aggravated.

    Bill

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to wrightsaerials@f2s.com on Tue May 10 06:52:48 2022
    On Tue, 10 May 2022 03:07:35 +0100, williamwright
    <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

    On 09/05/2022 21:21, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Mon, 9 May 2022 15:36:11 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
    <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    Incidentally, the New Dr Who is about as an aspiring as a can of old paint. >>
    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read
    somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    <sarcasm>Nice to see the BBC serving the public. </sarcasm>

    Rod.

    The BBC is a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I just don't watch even >promising-sounding stuff because I fear I'll be annoyed by wokery. I
    watch telly to relax, not to be aggravated.

    Bill

    Whether it becomes apparent that they might abandon the BBC licence
    after 2027 or it doesn't, I reckon it's only a matter of time before I
    abandon it myself. Since January 1st this year, absolutely all, that
    is 100%, of my TV viewing has been online, and only a few items on
    iPlayer. I haven't even switched the Freeview box on, and haven't
    missed it yet. I'll give it a bit more time to assess whether I find
    myself drawn to enough BBC items to justify spending more for the BBC
    than any other streaming service, and then make a decision.

    Rod.

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  • From Bob Latham@21:1/5 to williamwright on Tue May 10 07:56:19 2022
    In article <jdtvn6Fjeh3U1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

    The BBC is a lost cause as far as I'm concerned. I just don't watch
    even promising-sounding stuff because I fear I'll be annoyed by
    wokery. I watch telly to relax, not to be aggravated.

    Indeed but to add insult to injury we have to pay for this woke
    drivel.

    "At its heart, wokeness is divisive, exclusionary and hateful. It
    basically gives mean people a shield to be mean and cruel, armoured
    in false virtue."

    I believe these are the words of Elon Musk.

    Bob.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Roderick Stewart on Tue May 10 17:33:25 2022
    On 09/05/2022 21:21, Roderick Stewart wrote:
    On Mon, 9 May 2022 15:36:11 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

    Incidentally, the New Dr Who is about as an aspiring as a can of old paint.

    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    He's an alien, so he could be anything. In Hitch-hiker's Guide Zaphod Beeblebrox has two heads. There's a two-headed girl in America; I wonder whether she/they can act?

    Hey, that's an idea! As well as being a different sex, people could
    claim to be two, three or more people in one body! No need for extra
    heads, just say you are! (Multiple personalities used to be all the rage.)

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From Paul Ratcliffe@21:1/5 to rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk on Tue May 10 22:03:39 2022
    On Mon, 09 May 2022 21:21:32 +0100, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    Wheelchair user?
    "Roll for yer life..."

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  • From Robin@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Wed May 11 08:28:40 2022
    On 10/05/2022 23:03, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    On Mon, 09 May 2022 21:21:32 +0100, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read
    somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    Wheelchair user?
    "Roll for yer life..."

    easy: regenerates as Davros (revealing the Doctor created the Daleks in
    a period of madness induced by eating meat...)

    --
    Robin
    reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

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  • From steve@swingnn.com@21:1/5 to abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78 on Wed May 11 15:45:44 2022
    On Tue, 10 May 2022 22:03:39 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:

    On Mon, 09 May 2022 21:21:32 +0100, Roderick Stewart ><rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read
    somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    Wheelchair user?
    "Roll for yer life..."

    I'm in a wheelchair but I don't want to share the technology used to
    produce such an advanced transport system. It's a very advanced model.
    I've found how to control forwards and backwards in space but I'm
    still looking for the time travel switch!

    Steve

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Paul Ratcliffe on Thu May 12 16:50:20 2022
    On 10/05/2022 23:03, Paul Ratcliffe wrote:
    On Mon, 09 May 2022 21:21:32 +0100, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

    I stopped watching from one episode after the sex change. In case
    no-one has told you aready, the new one is black, and I'm sure I read
    somewhere that he's gay as well. What on earth will they choose for
    the next one?

    Wheelchair user?

    It'll give the Daleks a sporting chance.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 15 12:59:33 2022
    Bit expensive for most of us but this was promoted on the BBC History list.


    Please forgive the self-promotion (and cross-posting), but my book on
    the early years of television and the BBC has just been published.
    Details at https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html.


    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 15 18:09:47 2022
    On 15/06/2022 12:59, MB wrote:
    Bit expensive for most of us but this was promoted on the BBC History list.


    Please forgive the self-promotion (and cross-posting), but my book on
    the early years of television and the BBC has just been published.
    Details at https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html.



    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html


    Congratulations on the book! I'm astonished at the price!

    Bill

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to williamwright on Thu Jun 16 08:31:45 2022
    williamwright wrote:

    MB wrote:

    Bit expensive for most of us but this was promoted on the BBC History list. >>
    Please forgive the self-promotion (and cross-posting), but my book on the
    early years of television and the BBC has just been published. Details at
    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html.

    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html

    Congratulations on the book!

    I don't think MB is saying he's the author

    I'm astonished at the price!

    Especially that the ebook is no cheaper than the hardback?

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Jun 16 11:50:29 2022
    Andy Burns wrote:

    williamwright wrote:

    MB wrote:

    Bit expensive for most of us but this was promoted on the BBC History list. >>>
    Please forgive the self-promotion (and cross-posting), but my book on the >>> early years of television and the BBC has just been published. Details at >>> https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html.

    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html

    Congratulations on the book!

    I don't think MB is saying he's the author

    I must admit I thought the same, then re-read the original post,
    and it is somewhat ambiguous. Perhaps MB would have made it
    clearer if he had formatted his copied text as Quoted, unless it
    is actually his work.

    Chris
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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Andy Burns on Thu Jun 16 11:40:38 2022
    On 16/06/2022 08:31, Andy Burns wrote:
    Especially that the ebook is no cheaper than the hardback?

    I don't think that is uncommon, the cost and value is in the research
    and writing of a book. Printing costs are a small part.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Thu Jun 16 15:46:46 2022
    On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 11:40:38 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 16/06/2022 08:31, Andy Burns wrote:
    Especially that the ebook is no cheaper than the hardback?

    I don't think that is uncommon, the cost and value is in the research
    and writing of a book. Printing costs are a small part.

    If you look at books on Amazon, you'll see that it *is* uncommon for
    the Kindle price to be the same as the dead tree price.

    Nevertheless, I think that even if the Kindle version was cheaper, for
    a textbook it might be worth paying the extra for a physical book,
    because Kindle probably isn't the best medium for that kind of
    material, but that's another story.

    Rod.

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  • From Brian Gaff@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Fri Jun 17 12:18:24 2022
    Bit expensive. I'd have accepted half that price. If they did that they
    would undoubtedly sell far more, I'd imagine.
    Brian

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    Bit expensive for most of us but this was promoted on the BBC History
    list.


    Please forgive the self-promotion (and cross-posting), but my book on the early years of television and the BBC has just been published. Details at https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html.


    https://edinburghuniversitypress.com/book-the-early-years-of-television-and-the-bbc.html


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  • From Theo@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Jun 18 18:07:06 2022
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 16/06/2022 08:31, Andy Burns wrote:
    Especially that the ebook is no cheaper than the hardback?

    I don't think that is uncommon, the cost and value is in the research
    and writing of a book. Printing costs are a small part.

    It's pretty standard in academic publishing. The author is possibly not getting paid by the publisher much if at all to write it (they're employed
    as an academic and research/writing is what they do in between teaching and admin), but the cover price basically covers the publisher's costs in terms
    of editing, typesetting, any promotion etc.

    They know they will sell at least X library copies and that's enough to
    recoup their costs. Any others are a bonus. The libraries will buy the hardback, and they might get a deal where they get electronic access as
    well.

    Printing costs are minimal compared with their overheads and there's no
    reason to offer a cheaper way to get the book, since that will mean they
    don't recoup their expenses from the libraries.

    So, if you want to read it, wait a few months and then see if you can get it from your library on inter-library loan.

    Theo

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