There was a comment here (I think) recently about having to register on
the BBC website.

I see they now have some pages that have a big banner saying that "We've updated our Privacy and Cookies Policy" though this is not appearing
every time?

You are asked to agree with no other option, this is becoming too common
online though most have a link to change cookies settings but with a
list of many dozens of cookies, each of which needs checking and
approving or changing individually.

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 12:06:26, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses
usually FOLLOW):
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You are asked to agree with no other option, this is becoming too
common online though most have a link to change cookies settings but
with a list of many dozens of cookies, each of which needs checking and >approving or changing individually.

I haven't tried with that particular website, but I often find turning javascript off then hitting reload gets rid of the forced agreement
overlay, but the page still loads. Presumably this (the page still
loading) will become rarer as companies become wise to it.



--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"Look, if it'll help you to do what I tell you, baby, imagine that I've got a blaster ray in my hand." "Uh - you _have_ got a blaster ray in your hand." "So you shouldn't have to tax your imagination too hard." (Link episode)

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MB wrote:

this is becoming too common online though most have a link to change cookies settings but with a list of many dozens of cookies, each of which needs checking
and approving or changing individually.

Many sites have a "reject all" button for permissions, but lookout they sometimes have a separate "object all" button for so-called legitimate interest from 3rd parties, and of course they use dark patterns (different colour "allow all" and "save my choices") to trick you into saying yes anyway.

One of the worst ones is for the Metro website, it seemingly goes on for thousands of individual tickboxs, I get bored even trying to scroll to the end of the list at warp factor 5

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MB wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Many sites have a "reject all" button for permissions,

But many do not.

So those are the ones where I tend to pause and think "do I really need to read this?" and click BACK instead.

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On 26/04/2022 14:09, Andy Burns wrote:

Many sites have a "reject all" button for permissions,

But many do not.

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In article <jcqghvFpu09U1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Many sites have a "reject all" button for permissions,

But many do not.

So those are the ones where I tend to pause and think "do I really
need to read this?" and click BACK instead.

Or if you really need to see it, open it in a private browsing
window and accept all the cookies.

-- Richard

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J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

On Tue, 26 Apr 2022 at 12:06:26, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
[]

You are asked to agree with no other option, this is becoming too
common online though most have a link to change cookies settings but
with a list of many dozens of cookies, each of which needs checking and >approving or changing individually.

I haven't tried with that particular website, but I often find turning javascript off then hitting reload gets rid of the forced agreement
overlay, but the page still loads. Presumably this (the page still
loading) will become rarer as companies become wise to it.

If you are really quick and Select-All followed by Copy, you can grab
the page contents before the overlay appears. Then you can Paste it
into another program and read it.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

MB wrote:

this is becoming too common online though most have a link to change cookies settings but with a list of many dozens of cookies, each of
which needs checking and approving or changing individually.

Many sites have a "reject all" button for permissions,...

...but they have already dumped the cookies on your browser by the time
that button appears.


--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

If you are really quick and Select-All followed by Copy, you can grab
the page contents before the overlay appears. Then you can Paste it
into another program and read it.

If you want to do that sort if trick, some adblockers have an "element hiding" mod, you can pick with a wand to hide the translucent overlay.

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Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Many sites have a "reject all" button for permissions,...

...but they have already dumped the cookies on your browser by the time
that button appears.

No, I don't believe so ...

If I disable all my cookie protection add-ons, and visit a "cookie heavy" site, and then see what cookies I have for that site, it's only 3 or 4 which they probably consider as "required" for site functionality and they're only session cookies.

If I click on their "allow the lot" button I get a dozen more, and they probably
accrue from there if I keep browsing their site, of course after testing I just nuke all their cookies.

So sensible sites (newspapers etc) do follow GDPR.

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Liz Tuddenham wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Many sites have a "reject all" button for permissions,...

...but they have already dumped the cookies on your browser by the time
that button appears.

No, I don't believe so ...

If I disable all my cookie protection add-ons, and visit a "cookie heavy" site,
and then see what cookies I have for that site, it's only 3 or 4 which they probably consider as "required" for site functionality and they're only session
cookies.

If I click on their "allow the lot" button I get a dozen more, and they probably
accrue from there if I keep browsing their site, of course after testing I just
nuke all their cookies.

So sensible sites (newspapers etc) do follow GDPR.

I’m not sure why there’s all the angst about cookies. I don’t particularly
care if I’m tracked since I always run an ad blocker. I almost never see adverts, targeted or not.

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Tweed wrote:

I’m not sure why there’s all the angst about cookies. I don’t particularly
care if I’m tracked since I always run an ad blocker. I almost never see adverts, targeted or not.

On a desktop/laptop, I "arm" my browser to
reject 3rd party cookies
convert all cookies to session-only,
hide cookie warning dialogs, unanswered
regularly close the browser to flush cookies
hide adverts

But where they annoy the hell out of me is on phone/tablets where fewer browser add-ons are available

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Tweed wrote:

I’m not sure why there’s all the angst about cookies. I don’t particularly
care if I’m tracked since I always run an ad blocker. I almost never see >> adverts, targeted or not.

On a desktop/laptop, I "arm" my browser to
reject 3rd party cookies
convert all cookies to session-only,
hide cookie warning dialogs, unanswered
regularly close the browser to flush cookies
hide adverts

But where they annoy the hell out of me is on phone/tablets where fewer browser
add-ons are available

I’ve got an adblocker on my iOS devices, and like I said, I don’t see the adverts, so I don’t really care what the cookies are getting up to.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 at 06:26:43, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

Tweed wrote:

I’m not sure why there’s all the angst about cookies. I don’t >>>particularly
care if I’m tracked since I always run an ad blocker. I almost never see >>> adverts, targeted or not.

(See below.)

On a desktop/laptop, I "arm" my browser to
reject 3rd party cookies

I think that's a setting in most browsers.

convert all cookies to session-only,

That sounds like an add-on; sounds potentially useful (though I think
I'd find it tedious if it did it to _all_ cookies; I'm happy with _some_
e. g. settings being kept between sessions, and would probably find
maintaining a whitelist/blacklist - if such is offered - too much
effort).

hide cookie warning dialogs, unanswered

Now that I'd _really_ like.

If the above two are add-ons, care to mention which (and for which
browser[s])?

regularly close the browser to flush cookies

I have one of many add-ons that lets me flush individual ones or all the
ones for a given site.

hide adverts

I do that mostly by a HOSTS file.

But where they annoy the hell out of me is on phone/tablets where
fewer browser
add-ons are available

I’ve got an adblocker on my iOS devices, and like I said, I don’t see the >adverts, so I don’t really care what the cookies are getting up to.

I hardly see any ad.s, other than the ones YouTube insert before or
after (and occasionally during) their clips, which _are_ annoying
(especially gambling and quack-medicine ones), but I tolerate them as I
presume they're what funds YouTube. I don't think most of the
ad-blockers - including use of the hosts file - will block those. But I
don't see many other ad.s.

Cookies do a lot more than just help with the delivery of ad.s though -
they can track your browsing, preferences, etc., in such a way that
companies can know quite a lot about you (and sell that information to
others). I'm not too worried (in particular, this laptop doesn't have
GPS and the location trackers mostly think I'm at the HQ of my ISP or
something similar), but some here (perhaps especially 'phone users) are concerned, possibly in some cases justifiably.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"The right to be heard does not include the right to be taken seriously."
- Hubert H. Humphrey

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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I "arm" my browser to reject 3rd party cookies

I think that's a setting in most browsers.

Probably it is a default now, wasn't at the time I configured it

convert all cookies to session-only

That sounds like an add-on;

It's a setting in firefox, which used to be exposed in the settings GUI, now you
have to enter the "here be dragons" section to alter it

network.cookie.lifetimepolicy=2

sounds potentially useful (though I think I'd find
it tedious if it did it to _all_ cookies; I'm happy with _some_ e. g. settings
being kept between sessions, and would probably find maintaining a whitelist/blacklist - if such is offered - too much effort).

hide cookie warning dialogs, unanswered

Now that I'd _really_ like.

<https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu>

It used to work in firefox for android too, but now mozilla only allow "blessed"
add-ons

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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

<https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu>

"In most cases, it just blocks or hides cookie related pop-ups.

At the time I installed it, fairly sure that's all it did.

When it's needed
for the website to work properly, it will automatically accept the cookie policy
for you (sometimes it will accept all and sometimes only necessary cookie categories, depending on what's easier to do).

Didn't know it had altered over time to do that.

It doesn't delete cookies."

I don't expect it to delete cookies, really.

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On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 at 13:50:53, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote
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hide cookie warning dialogs, unanswered

Now that I'd _really_ like.

<https://www.i-dont-care-about-cookies.eu>

It used to work in firefox for android too, but now mozilla only allow >"blessed" add-ons

(I use such an old Firefox that it actually says it needs a later one!
But in Chrome:)

"In most cases, it just blocks or hides cookie related pop-ups. When
it's needed for the website to work properly, it will automatically
accept the cookie policy for you (sometimes it will accept all and
sometimes only necessary cookie categories, depending on what's easier
to do). It doesn't delete cookies."

So it _doesn't_ "hide cookie warning dialogs, unanswered" - it (in some
cases) accepts them. I'm a lot less happy about that - legally, you'd
probably be deemed to have accepted them, by installing an add-on that
does so.

But I've installed it anyway. Getting too old to worry about such things
... (-:
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

"quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur". ("Anything is more impressive if you say it in Latin")

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J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

So it _doesn't_ "hide cookie warning dialogs, unanswered" - it (in some cases)
accepts them.

There is an option to use the I-dont-care list as an adblock element hiding filter, then it can only hide popups, never answer them ...

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