The media have "discovered" Wood Norton though they were shown around in >about 1965 and it was in most national newspapeers!
Inside the secret Gloucestershire bunker owned by the BBC
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/whats-on/inside-secret-gloucestershire-bunker-owned-6960827
On 24/04/2022 09:25, Roderick Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 17:03:41 +0100, MB
<MB@nospam.net> wrote:
The media have "discovered" Wood Norton though
they were shown around in
about 1965 and it was in most national
newspapeers!
Inside the secret Gloucestershire bunker owned
by the BBC
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/whats-on/inside-secret-gloucestershire-bunker-owned-6960827
When I was there I'm pretty sure it was in
Worcestershire.
Details, details!
On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 17:03:41 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
The media have "discovered" Wood Norton though they were shown around in
about 1965 and it was in most national newspapeers!
Inside the secret Gloucestershire bunker owned by the BBC
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/whats-on/inside-secret-gloucestershire-bunker-owned-6960827
When I was there I'm pretty sure it was in Worcestershire.
On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 17:03:41 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
The media have "discovered" Wood Norton though they were shown around in >>about 1965 and it was in most national newspapeers!
Inside the secret Gloucestershire bunker owned by the BBC
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/whats-on/inside-secret-gloucester >>shire-bunker-owned-6960827
When I was there I'm pretty sure it was in Worcestershire.
Rod.
Written by a work-experience teenager?
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 at 09:25:54, Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 17:03:41 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
The media have "discovered" Wood Norton though they were shown around in >>> about 1965 and it was in most national newspapeers!
Inside the secret Gloucestershire bunker owned by the BBC
https://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/whats-on/inside-secret-gloucester
shire-bunker-owned-6960827
When I was there I'm pretty sure it was in Worcestershire.
Rod.
Is it anywhere near the edge? There were a lot of border changes in,
IIRR, 1974. Were you there before that? (That was when a lot of the new counties - like Tyne and Wear, Cleveland, and Avon - were created, but
also lots of borders tweaked. There was a Great Undoing a bit later,
when for example Rutland came back into existence, but most of the
changes remained.)
(Assuming there actually _is_ a Glos./Worcs. border; my English
geography is appalling.)
Aren't all local rag articles? Inspiration seems to come mainly from
... (That was when a lot of the new
counties - like Tyne and Wear, Cleveland, and Avon - were created,
On Sun 24/04/2022 16:35, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... (That was when a lot of the new
counties - like Tyne and Wear, Cleveland, and Avon - were created,
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a
lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had
to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
.........except by the fuzz - they are still Avon and Somerset, and the fire-bobbies who are Avon Fire.
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... (That was when a lot of the new
counties - like Tyne and Wear, Cleveland, and Avon - were created,
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a
lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had
to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
Whatever happened to Strathclyde I wonder?
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
... (That was when a lot of the new
counties - like Tyne and Wear, Cleveland, and Avon - were created,
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a
lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had
to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a
lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had
to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
It bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham ><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a
lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had
to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
It bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the >address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:27:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe ><abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham >><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a
lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had
to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
It bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the >>address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not
been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:02:09 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:27:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe >><abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham >>><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a >>>> lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had >>>> to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
It bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the >>>address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not
been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
Parts of North Yorkshire have a LA post code - LANCASTER.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:02:09 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:27:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe >><abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham >>><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a >>>> lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had >>>> to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
It bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the >>>address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not
been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
Parts of North Yorkshire have a LA post code - LANCASTER.
"BrightsideS9" <reply_to_address_is_not@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >news:camk6hlhuuc8n16vne5nth0g56c3htsth9@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:02:09 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:27:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe >>><abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham >>>><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a >>>>> lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had >>>>> to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
It bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the >>>>address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not >>>been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
Parts of North Yorkshire have a LA post code - LANCASTER.
Most famously (at one time) the offices of the Yorkshire-focussed magazine >The Dalesman, which also had "Clapham via Lancaster" in its official address >at one time.
I can sympathise with people who use obsolete counties. You use what you
were born and brought up to use, and when a change happens, you resist it
for a long time and then start to adopt it - maybe just about the time it >changes yet again.
I'm a very firm believer in "do the job right - once - and then do not
change after that" - unless there is a damn good reason (*). Change for the >sake of change, or because people think it avoids complacency, is something >to be avoided. Snickers/Marathon, Starburst/Opal Fruits.
One of the things that I find conceptually very hard to accept with modern >counties and unitary authorities is enclaves: one county (eg City of >Leicester) which is totally surrounded by another (Leicestershire) such that >the county town of the overall county has to be something other than the >town/city which gave the county its name.
Yorkshire is a weird one. Even in the days of the Ridings, York was in its >own county. more or less at the junction of North, West and East Ridings,
and was not in any of the Ridings. That situation still exists to this day: >York is not in any of North, South, East Riding or West Yorkshire, although
I think most people regard it as being more closely allied with North than >any other county.
I live in the East Riding of Yorkshire (to give it its "Sunday name") but >some letters (with addresses validated from the postcode) use that county, >some use "East Riding", some use "East Yorkshire", and some use
"Humberside". I'm not sure how East was allowed to keep the "Riding" in the >name when none of the other Ridings were allowed to do this. Maybe its >boundaries were changed least, so the modern county is more closely related >to the old Riding than West Yorkshire / West Riding, North Yorkshire / North >Riding - and of course South Riding only existed in the mind of our local >author Winifred Holtby. When I first read "South Riding" I was misled by the >"South" into thinking that it was set in the Sheffield/Rotherham/Doncaster >area - until I saw the references to the sea, and the thinly-veiled >equivalence between her fictitious place names and the real places. I do >wonder what was going through her mind when she made up the names "Ledsea >Buttock" and "Pidsea Buttock" ;-) Is there a place mid-way between the >Buttocks which is the arsehole of the world? I'm surprised that none of her >characters made any derisory comments about the names of the Buttocks - it >was a real elephant-in-the-room.
(*) With all the negative publicity, I wonder how long it will be before P&O >Cruises decides to ditch the "P&O" or else P&O Ferries is forced by P&O >Cruises to ditch it. I notice that P&O Cruises have a big banner on their >website explaining that they have no connection with P&O Ferries. I'm >surprised that the two companies were both allowed to keep the brandname
when they separated, and that one company didn't insist on the other
choosing a new name to avoid any confusion. I wonder whether Companies House >will now change their rules to avoid the negative-publicity problem of the >misdeeds of one company tarnishing the name of the other company.
I can sympathise with people who use obsolete counties.
I can sympathise with people who use obsolete counties. You use what
you were born and brought up to use, and when a change happens, you
resist it for a long time and then start to adopt it - maybe just about
the time it changes yet again.
I'm a very firm believer in "do the job right - once - and then do not
change after that" - unless there is a damn good reason (*). Change for
the sake of change, or because people think it avoids complacency, is
something to be avoided. Snickers/Marathon, Starburst/Opal Fruits.
One of the things that I find conceptually very hard to accept with
modern counties and unitary authorities is enclaves: one county (eg
City of Leicester) which is totally surrounded by another
(Leicestershire) such that the county town of the overall county has to
be something other than the town/city which gave the county its name.
Yorkshire is a weird one. Even in the days of the Ridings, York was in
its own county. more or less at the junction of North, West and East
Ridings, and was not in any of the Ridings. That situation still exists
to this day: York is not in any of North, South, East Riding or West >Yorkshire, although I think most people regard it as being more closely >allied with North than any other county.
I live in the East Riding of Yorkshire (to give it its "Sunday name")
but some letters (with addresses validated from the postcode) use that >county, some use "East Riding", some use "East Yorkshire", and some use >"Humberside". I'm not sure how East was allowed to keep the "Riding" in
the name when none of the other Ridings were allowed to do this. Maybe
its boundaries were changed least, so the modern county is more closely >related to the old Riding than West Yorkshire / West Riding, North
Yorkshire / North Riding - and of course South Riding only existed in
the mind of our local author Winifred Holtby. When I first read "South >Riding" I was misled by the "South" into thinking that it was set in
the Sheffield/Rotherham/Doncaster area - until I saw the references to
the sea, and the thinly-veiled equivalence between her fictitious place
names and the real places. I do wonder what was going through her mind
when she made up the names "Ledsea Buttock" and "Pidsea Buttock" ;-) Is
there a place mid-way between the Buttocks which is the arsehole of the >world? I'm surprised that none of her characters made any derisory
comments about the names of the Buttocks - it was a real >elephant-in-the-room.
forced by P&O Cruises to ditch it. I notice that P&O Cruises have a big >banner on their website explaining that they have no connection with
P&O Ferries. I'm surprised that the two companies were both allowed to
keep the brandname when they separated, and that one company didn't
insist on the other choosing a new name to avoid any confusion. I
wonder whether Companies House will now change their rules to avoid the >negative-publicity problem of the misdeeds of one company tarnishing
the name of the other company.
NY wrote:
I can sympathise with people who use obsolete counties.
Counties are no longer a part of a postal address (someone tell various ecommerce websites)
NY wrote:
I can sympathise with people who use obsolete counties.
Counties are no longer a part of a postal address (someone tell various >ecommerce websites)
"Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message >news:jcve2dFo62pU1@mid.individual.net...
NY wrote:
I can sympathise with people who use obsolete counties.
Counties are no longer a part of a postal address (someone tell various
ecommerce websites)
Doesn't stop people using them unofficially...
The subject of counties in postal addresses brings back memories of lessons >at primary school about how to lay out and format an address on an envelope.
- indent each line by "a finger space" (probably 1/4-1/2") from the line >above it, to give a ruler-straight diagonal line down the left-hand side of >the address
- add a comma at the end of each line
- add a full stop after every abbreviation
- add a full stop at the end of the address (usually after the county, since >post codes, as opposed to postal districts, were only just being introduced)
The impact of rules 3 and 4 was that if the county was abbreviated, it
should be followed by *two* full stops: one because it was an abbreviation >and one because it was the end of the address.
So you got:
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith,
14, High St.,
Leeds 8,
West Riding,
Yorks..
We used to have boxes of envelopes that my grandparents had had printed in >the 1950s with their address on (goodness knows why) and they conformed to >that addressing standard.
That "Mr and Mrs John Smith" reminds me of an incident that took place >shortly after my parents got married. My mum came from a family who thought >that Mum's father's profession as an insurance loss-adjuster made them >superior to Dad's family in which his father was a headmaster. (I'd say that >they were pretty much equal in professional terms!). Mum's aunt and uncle >really looked down on Dad, whom they thought was "common". That Christmas, >Mum and Dad were writing Christmas cards: Mum was writing them and Dad was >addressing the envelopes. They were planning to deliver the cards to her >parents and her aunt/uncle by hand, so Dad addressed their envelope to Uncle >Richard and Auntie Mary, which is what Mum had written inside. Nothing was >said when everyone gathered for Christmas dinner. But a few days later when >Mum was out shopping at the local parade, she was accosted in the queue by >her aunt who blew her top and started lecturing Mum about the correct way to >address an envelope: that even if a letter is being delivered by hand it
must always be addressed to "Mr. and Mrs. John Smith" with the full postal >address, and if it is addressed to the woman only, only a "peasant" would >address it to "Mrs. Mary Smith" - it must always be addressed to "Mrs. >Richard Smith" using the husband's name (*). And this was as late as the mid >1960s. Mum apparently called her aunt a very rude word (she still won't say >what"!) and walked off, leaving her shopping. The whole shop cheered,
because no-one liked her aunt, whom they thought was "a nasty witch" - even >her daughter said (after he mum's death) that she was a foul-tempered woman >who delighted in humiliating people at every opportunity.
We moved away from the house in Leeds in 1972, and I can still remember the >postcode, so postcodes had evidently been introduced by then. But the much >older cast-iron road signs with embossed letters (sign in white, letters in >black) all had a red digit after the road name, and this was the postal >district (eg "8" for "Leeds 8" which later became the "LS8" postal district >as the first part of the postcode), so postal districts evidently pre-dated >postcodes by many decades.
(*) I *think* the etiquette was that "Mrs. Richard Smith" became "Mrs. Mary >Smith" only if she was widowed.
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith,
  14, High St.,
      Leeds 8,
          West Riding,
              Yorks..
The subject of counties in postal addresses brings back memories of
lessons at primary school about how to lay out and format an address on
an envelope.
- indent each line by "a finger space" (probably 1/4-1/2") from the
line above it, to give a ruler-straight diagonal line down the
left-hand side of the address
- add a comma at the end of each lineYes - and after the house number ("572, Yarm Road,")
- add a full stop after every abbreviationI still do after Mr. and Mrs. (Not sure if I do for Ms - maybe my mind
- add a full stop at the end of the address (usually after the county,Yes; it's sort of the end of a "sentence". Though it bugs most automated websites if you add it at the end of the postcode, which I learnt as the
since post codes, as opposed to postal districts, were only just being >introduced)
The impact of rules 3 and 4 was that if the county was abbreviated, it
should be followed by *two* full stops: one because it was an
abbreviation and one because it was the end of the address.
So you got:
Mr. and Mrs. John Smith,
14, High St.,
Leeds 8,
West Riding,
Yorks..
We used to have boxes of envelopes that my grandparents had had printed
in the 1950s with their address on (goodness knows why) and they
conformed to that addressing standard.
That "Mr and Mrs John Smith" reminds me of an incident that took place >shortly after my parents got married. My mum came from a family who
thought that Mum's father's profession as an insurance loss-adjuster
made them superior to Dad's family in which his father was a
headmaster. (I'd say that they were pretty much equal in professional >terms!). Mum's aunt and uncle really looked down on Dad, whom they
thought was "common". That Christmas, Mum and Dad were writing
Christmas cards: Mum was writing them and Dad was addressing the
envelopes. They were planning to deliver the cards to her parents and
her aunt/uncle by hand, so Dad addressed their envelope to Uncle
Richard and Auntie Mary, which is what Mum had written inside. Nothing
was said when everyone gathered for Christmas dinner. But a few days
later when Mum was out shopping at the local parade, she was accosted
in the queue by her aunt who blew her top and started lecturing Mum
about the correct way to address an envelope: that even if a letter is
being delivered by hand it must always be addressed to "Mr. and Mrs.
John Smith" with the full postal address, and if it is addressed to the
woman only, only a "peasant" would address it to "Mrs. Mary Smith" - it
must always be addressed to "Mrs. Richard Smith" using the husband's
name (*). And this was as late as the mid 1960s. Mum apparently called
her aunt a very rude word (she still won't say what"!) and walked off, >leaving her shopping. The whole shop cheered, because no-one liked her
aunt, whom they thought was "a nasty witch" - even her daughter said
(after he mum's death) that she was a foul-tempered woman who delighted
in humiliating people at every opportunity.
We moved away from the house in Leeds in 1972, and I can still remember
the postcode, so postcodes had evidently been introduced by then. But
the much older cast-iron road signs with embossed letters (sign in
white, letters in black) all had a red digit after the road name, and
this was the postal district (eg "8" for "Leeds 8" which later became
the "LS8" postal district as the first part of the postcode), so postal >districts evidently pre-dated postcodes by many decades.
(*) I *think* the etiquette was that "Mrs. Richard Smith" became "Mrs.
Mary Smith" only if she was widowed.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:08:24 +0100, BrightsideS9 <reply_to_address_is_not@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:02:09 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:27:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe >><abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham >>><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was >>>> a lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were toldIt bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the >>>address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
we had to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about. >>>
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not >>been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
Parts of North Yorkshire have a LA post code - LANCASTER.
I believe Isle of Harris used to have Paisley (PA) postcodes until they
were changed to HS following discontent amongst residents.
In article <sqnk6hhc8db0832j1aqlrnhaj0ejgb84i8@4ax.com>, Scott ><newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
I believe Isle of Harris used to have Paisley (PA) postcodes until they
were changed to HS following discontent amongst residents.
and that was because the mail (generaly) came by Glsagow airport which is >just outside Paisley. Post Codes were GPO routing instructions
Ah, you mean where the enclosed entity is unique. I was going to say
the concept of enclaves - where one part of one entity is isolated
within (usually a neighbouring) entity - has been around for centuries,
at both county and nation level: usually for obscure historical[]
reasons, though some for reasons of practical convenience (e. g. there
are parts of Austria only available from Germany [and maybe vice versa, Accessible.
not sure], though I guess those aren't enclaves in the strictest
sense). But where the enclave isn't part of anything else, yes, they've >always bugged me.
"BrightsideS9" <reply_to_address_is_not@invalid.invalid> wrote in message >news:camk6hlhuuc8n16vne5nth0g56c3htsth9@4ax.com...
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:02:09 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:27:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe >>><abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham >>>><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There was a >>>>> lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told we had >>>>> to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about.
It bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the >>>>address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not >>>been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
Parts of North Yorkshire have a LA post code - LANCASTER.
Most famously (at one time) the offices of the Yorkshire-focussed magazine >The Dalesman, which also had "Clapham via Lancaster" in its official address >at one time.
I can sympathise with people who use obsolete counties. You use what you
were born and brought up to use, and when a change happens, you resist it
for a long time and then start to adopt it - maybe just about the time it >changes yet again.
In article <sqnk6hhc8db0832j1aqlrnhaj0ejgb84i8@4ax.com>, Scott ><newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:08:24 +0100, BrightsideS9
<reply_to_address_is_not@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 10:02:09 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 00:27:03 GMT, Paul Ratcliffe
<abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:35:00 +0100, Liz Tuddenham
<liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
Avon was never a county, just an administrative district. There wasIt bloody well hasn't. I continually get mail with Avon as part of the
a lot of bad feeling when it was enforced upon us and we were told
we had to call it a county. It has now been quietly forgotten about. >> >>>
address even though it's been defunct for about 25 years.
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not
been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
Parts of North Yorkshire have a LA post code - LANCASTER.
I believe Isle of Harris used to have Paisley (PA) postcodes until they
were changed to HS following discontent amongst residents.
and that was because the mail (generaly) came by Glsagow airport which is >just outside Paisley. Post Codes were GPO routing instructions
I refuse to include the name of the nearby large town in my address,
though sometimes give in when using websites that insist on doing so. I accepted the principle of the "post town" when that was the case, but that necessity was removed with postcodes.
One of the things that I find conceptually very hard to accept with modern >>counties and unitary authorities is enclaves: one county (eg City of >>Leicester) which is totally surrounded by another (Leicestershire) such >>that the county town of the overall county has to be something other than >>the town/city which gave the county its name.
Ah, you mean where the enclosed entity is unique. I was going to say the concept of enclaves - where one part of one entity is isolated within (usually a neighbouring) entity - has been around for centuries, at both county and nation level: usually for obscure historical reasons, though
some for reasons of practical convenience (e. g. there are parts of
Austria only available from Germany [and maybe vice versa, not sure],
though I guess those aren't enclaves in the strictest sense). But where
the enclave isn't part of anything else, yes, they've always bugged me.
Yorkshire is a weird one. Even in the days of the Ridings, York was in its >>own county. more or less at the junction of North, West and East Ridings, >>and was not in any of the Ridings. That situation still exists to this
day: York is not in any of North, South, East Riding or West Yorkshire, >>although I think most people regard it as being more closely allied with >>North than any other county.
I remember being told that Nottingham was not part of Nottinghamshire. And Newcastle (the Geordie one) has sometimes been shown on documents (e. g. birth certificates) as a county in its own right. (And that's _before_
Tyne & Wear. Whose creation has left several entities with
"Northumberland" in their name, in Newcastle, which is now not part of
it.)
I think I've seen somewhere that "riding" came from "thirding".
the mind of our local author Winifred Holtby. When I first read "South >>Riding" I was misled by the "South" into thinking that it was set in the >>Sheffield/Rotherham/Doncaster area - until I saw the references to the
sea, and the thinly-veiled equivalence between her fictitious place names >>and the real places. I do wonder what was going through her mind when she >>made up the names "Ledsea Buttock" and "Pidsea Buttock" ;-) Is
Old crude joke: what's the last thing to go through the mind of an insect when it hits your windscreen? It's backside.
there a place mid-way between the Buttocks which is the arsehole of the >>world? I'm surprised that none of her characters made any derisoryIndeed!
comments about the names of the Buttocks - it was a real >>elephant-in-the-room.
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message news:VsVlsPKRHpaiFwSh@a.a...
I refuse to include the name of the nearby large town in my address,
though sometimes give in when using websites that insist on doing so. I accepted the principle of the "post town" when that was the case, but
that necessity was removed with postcodes.
I am now cautious about using my postal town - or at least if it present,
I double check that my village name is also included somewhere, because
there is a road of the same name as ours in the town. One time when I
forgot to check and the village had been omitted, an item got returned
by the courier because he ignored the postcode and tried to deliver to a non-existent house *name* in the street in the town.
The subject of counties in postal addresses brings back memories of
lessons
at primary school about how to lay out and format an address on an >>envelope.
- indent each line by "a finger space" (probably 1/4-1/2") from the line >>above it, to give a ruler-straight diagonal line down the left-hand side
of
the address
- add a comma at the end of each line
- add a full stop after every abbreviation
Would it not be a full stop after every letter, as in U.S.A.
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message news:VsVlsPKRHpaiFwSh@a.a...
I refuse to include the name of the nearby large town in my address,
though sometimes give in when using websites that insist on doing so. I
accepted the principle of the "post town" when that was the case, but that >> necessity was removed with postcodes.
I am now cautious about using my postal town - or at least if it present, I double check that my village name is also included somewhere, because there is a road of the same name as ours in the town. One time when I forgot to check and the village had been omitted, an item got returned by the courier because he ignored the postcode and tried to deliver to a non-existent house *name* in the street in the town.
One of the things that I find conceptually very hard to accept with modern >>> counties and unitary authorities is enclaves: one county (eg City of
Leicester) which is totally surrounded by another (Leicestershire) such
that the county town of the overall county has to be something other than >>> the town/city which gave the county its name.
Ah, you mean where the enclosed entity is unique. I was going to say the
concept of enclaves - where one part of one entity is isolated within
(usually a neighbouring) entity - has been around for centuries, at both
county and nation level: usually for obscure historical reasons, though
some for reasons of practical convenience (e. g. there are parts of
Austria only available from Germany [and maybe vice versa, not sure],
though I guess those aren't enclaves in the strictest sense). But where
the enclave isn't part of anything else, yes, they've always bugged me.
When I was a child I had a wall-mounted map of Great Britain, with the pre-1974 counties. And it always used to intrigue me that in the middle of Cheshire (I think) there was a little blob of a different colour, marked "Part of Flint". I'm sure there used to be other ones.
But I was referring to a unique enclave: Leicestershire containing and completely surrounding another county called "City of Leicester", and that the "capital" or county town of Leicestershire was no longer Leicester.
Yorkshire is a weird one. Even in the days of the Ridings, York was in its >>> own county. more or less at the junction of North, West and East Ridings, >>> and was not in any of the Ridings. That situation still exists to this
day: York is not in any of North, South, East Riding or West Yorkshire,
although I think most people regard it as being more closely allied with >>> North than any other county.
I remember being told that Nottingham was not part of Nottinghamshire. And >> Newcastle (the Geordie one) has sometimes been shown on documents (e. g.
birth certificates) as a county in its own right. (And that's _before_
Tyne & Wear. Whose creation has left several entities with
"Northumberland" in their name, in Newcastle, which is now not part of
it.)
Ah I didn't know about Nottingham not being "in" Nottinghamshire. Nice and illogical, like Leicestershire.
I often wondered at the origin of the final two letters. The number before the space tended to be areas, and further out towns and villages,
spiralling out from the centre of the place shown by the first letter(s) (usually staring at 1, but they did include 0 - usually after 9, so - was some way out!), and the number(s) after the space were just subdivisions
of that; but the final two letters seemed to me to follow no discernible pattern (they don't seem to be sequential). For a long time I have entertained the notion that they might have been the initials of the
postman whose beat they were in when they were introduced, but I have no evidence of that!
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
It is complete loose-stool-water, it is arse-gravy of the worst kind
- Stephen Fry on "The Da Vinci Code"
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message news:VsVlsPKRHpaiFwSh@a.a...
I refuse to include the name of the nearby large town in my address,
though sometimes give in when using websites that insist on doing so.
I accepted the principle of the "post town" when that was the case,
but that necessity was removed with postcodes.
I am now cautious about using my postal town - or at least if it
present, I double check that my village name is also included
somewhere, because there is a road of the same name as ours in the
town. One time when I forgot to check and the village had been
omitted, an item got returned by the courier because he ignored the postcode and tried to deliver to a non-existent house *name* in the
street in the town.
One of the things that I find conceptually very hard to accept with
modern counties and unitary authorities is enclaves: one county (eg
City of Leicester) which is totally surrounded by another
(Leicestershire) such that the county town of the overall county has
to be something other than the town/city which gave the county its
name.
Ah, you mean where the enclosed entity is unique. I was going to say
the concept of enclaves - where one part of one entity is isolated
within (usually a neighbouring) entity - has been around for
centuries, at both county and nation level: usually for obscure
historical reasons, though some for reasons of practical convenience
(e. g. there are parts of Austria only available from Germany [and
maybe vice versa, not sure], though I guess those aren't enclaves in
the strictest sense). But where the enclave isn't part of anything
else, yes, they've always bugged me.
When I was a child I had a wall-mounted map of Great Britain, with the pre-1974 counties. And it always used to intrigue me that in the middle
of Cheshire (I think) there was a little blob of a different colour,
marked "Part of Flint". I'm sure there used to be other ones.
But I was referring to a unique enclave: Leicestershire containing and completely surrounding another county called "City of Leicester", and
that the "capital" or county town of Leicestershire was no longer Leicester.
Yorkshire is a weird one. Even in the days of the Ridings, York was
in its own county. more or less at the junction of North, West and
East Ridings, and was not in any of the Ridings. That situation
still exists to this day: York is not in any of North, South, East
Riding or West Yorkshire, although I think most people regard it as
being more closely allied with North than any other county.
I remember being told that Nottingham was not part of Nottinghamshire.
And Newcastle (the Geordie one) has sometimes been shown on documents
(e. g. birth certificates) as a county in its own right. (And that's
_before_ Tyne & Wear. Whose creation has left several entities with
"Northumberland" in their name, in Newcastle, which is now not part of
it.)
Ah I didn't know about Nottingham not being "in" Nottinghamshire. Nice
and illogical, like Leicestershire.
Try Berwickshire and Berwick upon Tweed. The county and its natural
county town are in different countries.
https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/18814343.dave-berry-column-time-bring-berwick-back-berwickshire/
name (*). And this was as late as the mid 1960s. Mum apparently called her >>aunt a very rude word (she still won't say what!) and walked off, leaving >>her shopping. The whole shop cheered, because no-one liked her
It's nice to get a public reaction like that. (Though I hope she got her shopping back. Unless she hadn't paid for it.)
the much older cast-iron road signs with embossed letters (sign in white, >>letters in black) all had a red digit after the road name, and this wasI think they did in the larger cities - certainly London (cue jokes about
the postal district (eg "8" for "Leeds 8" which later became the "LS8" >>postal district as the first part of the postcode), so postal districts >>evidently pre-dated postcodes by many decades.
one part only having one toilet), but I think others too. I do also
remember seeing such signs with the number painted white same as the background - whether that meant the zoning (?) had changed, which I
assumed, or just that the expense of using the red paint was being cut
(which I now think more likely), I'm not sure.
Whatever, at least it's better (IMO) than the American practice of
referring to a widow by both her married and maiden surname, which I find very confusing. (One of the surnames - I forget which, which is why I find
it confusing - is presented as if it is an extra forename.) I think they
keep adding them if she remarries, too.
In article <t4eg9j$2kv$1@dont-email.me>, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in messageTry Berwickshire and Berwick upon Tweed. The county and its natural
news:VsVlsPKRHpaiFwSh@a.a...
I refuse to include the name of the nearby large town in my address,
though sometimes give in when using websites that insist on doing so.
I accepted the principle of the "post town" when that was the case,
but that necessity was removed with postcodes.
I am now cautious about using my postal town - or at least if it
present, I double check that my village name is also included
somewhere, because there is a road of the same name as ours in the
town. One time when I forgot to check and the village had been
omitted, an item got returned by the courier because he ignored the
postcode and tried to deliver to a non-existent house *name* in the
street in the town.
One of the things that I find conceptually very hard to accept with
modern counties and unitary authorities is enclaves: one county (eg
City of Leicester) which is totally surrounded by another
(Leicestershire) such that the county town of the overall county has >>>>> to be something other than the town/city which gave the county its
name.
Ah, you mean where the enclosed entity is unique. I was going to say
the concept of enclaves - where one part of one entity is isolated
within (usually a neighbouring) entity - has been around for
centuries, at both county and nation level: usually for obscure
historical reasons, though some for reasons of practical convenience
(e. g. there are parts of Austria only available from Germany [and
maybe vice versa, not sure], though I guess those aren't enclaves in
the strictest sense). But where the enclave isn't part of anything
else, yes, they've always bugged me.
When I was a child I had a wall-mounted map of Great Britain, with the
pre-1974 counties. And it always used to intrigue me that in the middle
of Cheshire (I think) there was a little blob of a different colour,
marked "Part of Flint". I'm sure there used to be other ones.
But I was referring to a unique enclave: Leicestershire containing and
completely surrounding another county called "City of Leicester", and
that the "capital" or county town of Leicestershire was no longer
Leicester.
Yorkshire is a weird one. Even in the days of the Ridings, York was
in its own county. more or less at the junction of North, West and
East Ridings, and was not in any of the Ridings. That situation
still exists to this day: York is not in any of North, South, East
Riding or West Yorkshire, although I think most people regard it as
being more closely allied with North than any other county.
I remember being told that Nottingham was not part of Nottinghamshire. >>>> And Newcastle (the Geordie one) has sometimes been shown on documents
(e. g. birth certificates) as a county in its own right. (And that's
_before_ Tyne & Wear. Whose creation has left several entities with
"Northumberland" in their name, in Newcastle, which is now not part of >>>> it.)
Ah I didn't know about Nottingham not being "in" Nottinghamshire. Nice
and illogical, like Leicestershire.
county town are in different countries.
https://www.eastlothiancourier.com/news/18814343.dave-berry-column-time-bring-berwick-back-berwickshire/
But while the town has been called that for many centuries, the county was
a Victorian creation. Perhaps they hoped that the town would be returned to Scotland,
Lots of places in Lincolnshire have DN (Doncaster Yorkshire) postcodes.
Americans like their middle names. Whenever you see an official sign on someone's desk or office door, or below their signature on a letter,
it's always "John H Smith", not just "John Smith".
Parts of North Yorkshire have a LA post code - LANCASTER.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:43:29 +0100, NY wrote:
Americans like their middle names. Whenever you see an official sign on
someone's desk or office door, or below their signature on a letter,
it's always "John H Smith", not just "John Smith".
What I find strange is people who use their 2nd name but keep their first initial in front of it, like J Edgar Hoover and F Scott Fitzgerald. Weird.
I forgot to say, not_always_ neighbouring: I think there's a bit of -
or near - the City of London that is actually part of Cambridgeshire.
(One street, or something like that. I think for ecclesiastical
reasons.)
Worse are the ones using US software that insist on the address
containing a "city". (I've even seem Americans objecting to that.)
I believe Isle of Harris used to have Paisley (PA) postcodes until
they were changed to HS following discontent amongst residents.
Here I get mail for 'Glasgow, Lanarkshire' even though Glasgow has not
been in Lanarkshire since 1895 or something.
Once deliveries started being made by firms other than Royal Mail, post
towns became a connfusion.
What I find strange is people who use their 2nd name but keep their first initial in front of it, like J Edgar Hoover and F Scott Fitzgerald. Weird.
Very, but I suppose it ties in with the idea that every American must have three names/initials, either as John E Hoover or J Edgar Hoover.
my code changed from xxx 3UZ to xxx 0UZ. It took a long time to correct
the postcode in all the addresses that various companies had for me.
There are some like bank, DVLA, etc which you think of immediately, but
for many I had to wait until I next received a letter with the old
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf
It is complete loose-stool-water, it is arse-gravy of the worst kind
- Stephen Fry on "The Da Vinci Code"
I don't think he liked it ;-) It takes skill to be funny at the same
time as insulting.
By the way, how should the geek code in your signature be decoded? Is
there a Wikipedia-type page with the algorithm?
I discovered not long after I moved in here (2007) that this home
(number 5) had somehow been omitted from the postcode database.
On 28/04/2022 14:41, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I forgot to say, not_always_ neighbouring: I think there's a bit of -
or near - the City of London that is actually part of Cambridgeshire.
(One street, or something like that. I think for ecclesiastical
reasons.)
Many counties had parts separate from the rest of the county, I think
they were removed in one of the revisions of counties
On 28/04/2022 14:09, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Worse are the ones using US software that insist on the address
containing a "city". (I've even seem Americans objecting to that.)
Lots of UK website will not accept a Postcode with a space between the
two two halves of the postcode and I think some insist on a space.
Almost as bad as the ones that do not accept credit card numbers
entered as groups of number (as displayed on the card). Just sloppy >programming.
On 28/04/2022 21:57, NY wrote:
Very, but I suppose it ties in with the idea that every American must have >> three names/initials, either as John E Hoover or J Edgar Hoover.
It can be a nice family tradition my first forename comes from my
father and Great Grandfather.
There were people in my family in the 19th Century who used my Great
Great Grandmother's surname as a second forename because her first son
(born in the 1820s) was illegitimate and so Christened under her name
then her husband's surname added after marriage (quite a common
occurence). One line continues the tradition to the present day.
I downloaded the complete postcode / OS grid reference / lat-long database a while ago to check what grid reference was associated with our postcode (*), so I'll see if there is any discernable logic. I asked the question many years ago - did the letters encode the OS grid reference in any way - and[...]
the consensus was that they were allocated sequentially along a long road
(eg low numbered end might have AB and high numbered end might have AC) and you could *probably* infer that adjacent codes BC and BD were closer
together by road than non-adjacent codes BC and DE. But basically it's a lookup table rather than an algorithm.
I forgot to say, not _always_ neighbouring: I think there's a bit of -
or near - the City of London that is actually part of Cambridgeshire.
(One street, or something like that. I think for ecclesiastical reasons.)
Very, but I suppose it ties in with the idea that every American must have >> three names/initials, either as John E Hoover or J Edgar Hoover.
It can be a nice family tradition my first forename comes from my father
and Great Grandfather.
On 28/04/2022 14:09, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Worse are the ones using US software that insist on the address
containing a "city". (I've even seem Americans objecting to that.)
Lots of UK website will not accept a Postcode with a space between the two two halves of the postcode and I think some insist on a space. Almost as
bad as the ones that do not accept credit card numbers entered as groups
of number (as displayed on the card). Just sloppy programming.
It can be a nice family tradition my first forename comes from my father >>and Great Grandfather.
There were people in my family in the 19th Century who used my Great Great >>Grandmother's surname as a second forename because her first son (born in >>the 1820s) was illegitimate and so Christened under her name then her >>husband's surname added after marriage (quite a common occurence). One
line continues the tradition to the present day.
Some vicars/registrars would not record the father's name on the documentation if a child was born out of wedlock, so including the
father's surname as a second forename for the child was often the only way the mother _could_ record the name of the father; it was thus not
uncommon.
In my daughter's
case, she ended up with the initials IRMS, which is not a problem, and
would have been even neater if she'd decided to become an electrical engineer, though this was not to be.
On 28/04/2022 17:53, charles wrote:
Once deliveries started being made by firms other than Royal Mail, post towns became a connfusion.
Don't most non-Royal Mail postal service stick to Royal Mail's
conventions because they mostly use Royal Mail for the actual delivery.
"The Other John" <nomail@home.org> wrote in message news:t4eoil$vsm$1@dont-email.me...
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 18:43:29 +0100, NY wrote:
Americans like their middle names. Whenever you see an official sign on
someone's desk or office door, or below their signature on a letter,
it's always "John H Smith", not just "John Smith".
What I find strange is people who use their 2nd name but keep their first initial in front of it, like J Edgar Hoover and F Scott Fitzgerald. Weird.
Very, but I suppose it ties in with the idea that every American must have three names/initials, either as John E Hoover or J Edgar Hoover.
My dad is one of those people who is known by his middle name, but ended up living a "double life", known by two different names to different people.
I've just recently formally changed my name (to reflect my gender
identity) and have run into all sorts of problems:
One company is refusing to accept my Deed Poll because it is not
endorsed (endorsement is a purely personal thing for those who want it published in the London Gazette and has no bearing on the legality of
the document). Another company said they wanted the Deed Poll signed by
a solicitor when they actually just wanted the copy verified - so I sent
them an original.
NatWest Bank sent back my Deed Poll with no covering letter, then sent
me a letter saying they couldn't accept my name change until they had
seen my Deed Poll (The local branch staff have finally sorted it out for
me.)
I sent my documents (including driving licence and birth certificate)
off to DVLC by Tracked Delivery, but the tracking number just produces
"We are currently unable to confirm the status of your item ... Please
try again tomorrow".
Several authorities simply haven't replied at all and the Passport
Office is happy to issue a passport in a false name (my old one) but
won't issue one in my true name for another two years.
Kudos points to anyone who remembers the 1970s cop show where that phrase was used by the leading character as he resigned.
I was thinkng of Amazon, Hermes, DPD, etc who do their own deliveries.
Tht's why I wrote "deliveries started being made by firms other than Royal Mail"
NY wrote:
Kudos points to anyone who remembers the 1970s cop show where that phrase
was used by the leading character as he resigned.
Had he had his breakfast?
(though "your call is important to us"/"why not try to
sort out your problem on our website"
On 29/04/2022 11:08, charles wrote:
I was thinkng of Amazon, Hermes, DPD, etc who do their own deliveries. Tht's why I wrote "deliveries started being made by firms other than Royal Mail"
But those all seem to use the Royal Mail postcodes though Hermes has a
new name now which I cannot remember.
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:57:55 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
Very, but I suppose it ties in with the idea that every American must have >>> three names/initials, either as John E Hoover or J Edgar Hoover.
It can be a nice family tradition my first forename comes from my father >>and Great Grandfather.
For one of my daughters, we just gave her a name that we liked to
call her by, and two middle names which were the first names of her
two grandmothers. If you want a tradition for such things, that seems
a reasonable one because it preserves family names for as long as the >individuals they honour are likely to be remembered, and also allows
the introduction of new ones.
The downside is that you have less control over any four letter word
formed by the initials, and might want to break the tradition if they >happened to spell something awkward. You couldn't completely escape
the awkwardness either, because to anyone who knew the family naming >tradition, the expunged word would be easy to calculate and thereby >conspicuous by its avoidance. You might need another tradition to
limit the choice of names in some way to avoid this. In my daughter's
case, she ended up with the initials IRMS, which is not a problem, and
would have been even neater if she'd decided to become an electrical >engineer, though this was not to be.
Rod.
On 28/04/2022 14:41, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I forgot to say, not _always_ neighbouring: I think there's a bit of -
or near - the City of London that is actually part of Cambridgeshire.
(One street, or something like that. I think for ecclesiastical reasons.)
If it's ecclesiastical it's called a peculiar.
Bill
I sent my documents (including driving licence and birth certificate)
off to DVLC by Tracked Delivery, but the tracking number just produces
"We are currently unable to confirm the status of your item ... Please
try again tomorrow".
Another one, Jenny Taylor ...
In article <jd0vp1F2uj1U1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> scribeth thus
On 28/04/2022 14:41, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I forgot to say, not _always_ neighbouring: I think there's a bit of -
or near - the City of London that is actually part of Cambridgeshire.
(One street, or something like that. I think for ecclesiastical
reasons.)
If it's ecclesiastical it's called a peculiar.
Bill
Is that where the odd Theakstones ale got its name from?...
On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:00:06 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
I sent my documents (including driving licence and birth certificate)
off to DVLC by Tracked Delivery, but the tracking number just produces
"We are currently unable to confirm the status of your item ... Please
try again tomorrow".
I wanted to get a new driving license when I reached 70 so I sent them
my license and all my previous addresses. I'm now 73 and still waiting
for them to process my details. The last time I got through on the
phone I spoke to someone who told me that they did not have my license
or any details about me. As it happens I haven't had a car for a long
time. I depend on my carers to take me out.
Yes, to Post Codes _ I was referring to Post Towns,
Is that where the odd Theakstones ale got its name from?...
I've just recently formally changed my name (to reflect my gender
identity) and have run into all sorts of problems:
One company is refusing to accept my Deed Poll because it is not
endorsed (endorsement is a purely personal thing for those who want it published in the London Gazette and has no bearing on the legality of
the document). Another company said they wanted the Deed Poll signed by
a solicitor when they actually just wanted the copy verified - so I sent
them an original.
NatWest Bank sent back my Deed Poll with no covering letter, then sent
me a letter saying they couldn't accept my name change until they had
seen my Deed Poll (The local branch staff have finally sorted it out for
me.)
I sent my documents (including driving licence and birth certificate)
off to DVLC by Tracked Delivery, but the tracking number just produces
"We are currently unable to confirm the status of your item ... Please
try again tomorrow".
Several authorities simply haven't replied at all and the Passport
Office is happy to issue a passport in a false name (my old one) but
won't issue one in my true name for another two years.
If it's ecclesiastical it's called a peculiar.Is that where the odd Theakstones ale got its name from?...
Bill
--
"Roderick Stewart" <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message >news:4cum6hd7vkbtbtdtvm3dvi47c72babpiqd@4ax.com...
In my daughter's
case, she ended up with the initials IRMS, which is not a problem, and
would have been even neater if she'd decided to become an electrical
engineer, though this was not to be.
The head of department where I worked in my first job, in an electronics >department, was (John) William Taylor (known as Bill). But he was referred
to as "j-omega" because of the common mathematical term j-omaga-t in >electronic formulae. Definite nominative determinism.
In article <4cum6hd7vkbtbtdtvm3dvi47c72babpiqd@4ax.com>, Roderick
Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 22:57:55 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
Very, but I suppose it ties in with the idea that every American must have >>>> three names/initials, either as John E Hoover or J Edgar Hoover.
It can be a nice family tradition my first forename comes from my father >>>and Great Grandfather.
For one of my daughters, we just gave her a name that we liked to
call her by, and two middle names which were the first names of her
two grandmothers. If you want a tradition for such things, that seems
a reasonable one because it preserves family names for as long as the >>individuals they honour are likely to be remembered, and also allows
the introduction of new ones.
The downside is that you have less control over any four letter word
formed by the initials, and might want to break the tradition if they >>happened to spell something awkward. You couldn't completely escape
the awkwardness either, because to anyone who knew the family naming >>tradition, the expunged word would be easy to calculate and thereby >>conspicuous by its avoidance. You might need another tradition to
limit the choice of names in some way to avoid this. In my daughter's
case, she ended up with the initials IRMS, which is not a problem, and >>would have been even neater if she'd decided to become an electrical >>engineer, though this was not to be.
Rod.
Former girlfriend , Heather Ann Gordon (HAG)
Another one, Jenny Taylor ...
... though Hermes has a new name now which I cannot remember.
"tony sayer" <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote in message >news:STdHasNl2+aiFwBa@bancom.co.uk...
Another one, Jenny Taylor ...
I had to think about that one for a second. Whoops! Her parents didn't
think that one through.
In article <JQfiDhb7AxaiFwyc@a.a>,
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
(though "your call is important to us"/"why not try to
sort out your problem on our website"
"... because my problem *is* your website, the badly designed piece
of crap that it is ..." :)
In article <t4gmtg$qo7$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
... though Hermes has a new name now which I cannot remember.
A triumph of advertising and rebranding then :) ...
Everyone will still remember how bad Hermes are, even though they
are now known as Evri ...
"MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:t4f1i3$9c5$3@dont-email.me...
On 28/04/2022 14:09, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Worse are the ones using US software that insist on the address
containing a "city". (I've even seem Americans objecting to that.)
Lots of UK website will not accept a Postcode with a space between
the two two halves of the postcode and I think some insist on a
space. Almost as bad as the ones that do not accept credit card
numbers entered as groups of number (as displayed on the card). Just >>sloppy programming.
Yes I would say that the first rule of writing software that accepts >postcodes or credit card numbers is that it must immediately remove
spaces (*) and the process the result. This *allows* spaces for easier >checking by a person as they are typing, but does not *mandate* them.
Best of both worlds. Credit card entry on websites very often mandates
no spaces, so making it more difficult to compare the number with
spaces (as on the card) against the number without spaces (as the web
site requires it).
(*) Postcodes can be ambiguous if you start to process from the
beginning: is it "RG12 xxx" or "RG1 2xx"? It's better to parse it from
the end, counting backwards, because all postcodes contain dll (digit, >letter, letter) as the "inward" part, and once you have accounted for
those, what remains is the "outward" part, and therefore it becomes
obvious whether it's "RG12", or "RG1" (with the 2 being the digit in
the inward part).
NY wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
Another one, Jenny Taylor ...
I had to think about that one for a second.
I haven't worked that one out yet ...
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
NY wrote:
tony sayer wrote:
Another one, Jenny Taylor ...
I had to think about that one for a second.
I haven't worked that one out yet ...
dʒen.ɪˈteɪ.li.ə
... was originally called
Windscale, but eventually that got such a bad reputation ...
they started calling it Sellafield ...
[I might have got those two the wrong way round ...]
On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:00:06 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
I sent my documents (including driving licence and birth certificate)
off to DVLC by Tracked Delivery, but the tracking number just produces
"We are currently unable to confirm the status of your item ... Please
try again tomorrow".
I wanted to get a new driving license when I reached 70 so I sent them
my license and all my previous addresses. I'm now 73 and still waiting
for them to process my details. The last time I got through on the
phone I spoke to someone who told me that they did not have my license
or any details about me. As it happens I haven't had a car for a long
time. I depend on my carers to take me out.
<steve@swingnn.com> wrote:
On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 11:00:06 +0100, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
(Liz Tuddenham) wrote:
I sent my documents (including driving licence and birth certificate)
off to DVLC by Tracked Delivery, but the tracking number just produces
"We are currently unable to confirm the status of your item ... Please
try again tomorrow".
I wanted to get a new driving license when I reached 70 so I sent them
my license and all my previous addresses. I'm now 73 and still waiting
for them to process my details. The last time I got through on the
phone I spoke to someone who told me that they did not have my license
or any details about me. As it happens I haven't had a car for a long
time. I depend on my carers to take me out.
The DVLA has just returned my application for a new licence becauae they
say my old licence wasn't returned with the application form and I
hadn't ticked the boxes to say whether it had been lost or stolen. I
had sent it - but the form and the cheque they returned to me were both
torn where the paper clip that had held them and the licence together
had been ripped off. Presumably someone in their office had torn off
the second page of the application form and thrown it away, complete
with the licence paper-clipped to it.
I have returned it with both the 'lost' and 'stolen' boxes ticked and a
note to say I don't know which of those occurred after it left me by
Tracked Delivery.
I photograph everything I send to Ebay buyers, both before and after packaging, just in case of problems or disputes. Maybe it's a good
idea to do this with anything important that you send to anyone?
On 25/05/2022 08:52, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
The DVLA has just returned my application for a new licence becauae they say my old licence wasn't returned with the application form and I
hadn't ticked the boxes to say whether it had been lost or stolen.
I renewsed mine online, very quick and no problems.
The DVLA has just returned my application for a new licence becauae they
say my old licence wasn't returned with the application form and I
hadn't ticked the boxes to say whether it had been lost or stolen.
Roderick Stewart wrote:
I photograph everything I send to Ebay buyers, both before and after
packaging, just in case of problems or disputes. Maybe it's a good
idea to do this with anything important that you send to anyone?
Last week I cashed in some Centrica shares from my father's estate, I photographed the share certificate I sent in with the request, didn't
stop them trying to charge a £60 fee for "lost share certificate", quite
a cost-effective photo ...
On 25/05/2022 08:52, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
The DVLA has just returned my application for a new licence becauae they
say my old licence wasn't returned with the application form and I
hadn't ticked the boxes to say whether it had been lost or stolen.
I renewsed mine online, very quick and no problems.
But the much older cast-iron road signs with embossed letters (sign
in white, letters in black) all had a red digit after the road name,
and this was the postal district (eg "8" for "Leeds 8" which later
became the "LS8" postal district as the first part of the postcode)
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:54:29 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
But the much older cast-iron road signs with embossed letters (sign
in white, letters in black) all had a red digit after the road name,
and this was the postal district (eg "8" for "Leeds 8" which later
became the "LS8" postal district as the first part of the postcode)
I found this quite odd when I moved to Leeds.
People would refer to where they lived by the number rather than the name, certainly for 6, 7, 10 and 11.
Did this happen anywhere else?
Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 13:54:29 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
But the much older cast-iron road signs with embossed letters (sign
in white, letters in black) all had a red digit after the road name,
and this was the postal district (eg "8" for "Leeds 8" which later
became the "LS8" postal district as the first part of the postcode)
I found this quite odd when I moved to Leeds.
People would refer to where they lived by the number rather than the name, >> certainly for 6, 7, 10 and 11.
Did this happen anywhere else?
In Bath there is a half-joking divide between the residents of BA1 (the
posh bit) and those of BA2 (the common bit). The residents of BA3 have >declared independence and now omit "Bath" from their address altogether.
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