• I think Classic FM play vinyl records

    From SimonM@21:1/5 to jon on Sat Sep 4 09:34:11 2021
    On 07/07/2021 10:49, jon wrote:
    Keep hearing rumble on certain pieces of music.


    Was this close to lunchtime by any chance?

    Seriously, some of their stuff _must_ be off
    vinyl, as they play ages-old recordings of things
    from famous conductors etc.

    Otherwise it's mood-music library versions,
    mostly, or new CDs they are plugging.

    But they can't be playing vinyl live these days -
    everything is digitised and off a server (a laptop
    would do!) for playout.

    So the question is what filtration is applied at
    "ingest". I don't hear clicks and pops, but those
    are pretty easy to deal with digitally. So is
    rumble, but they might not filter the LF.

    Might you do a spectrum analysis in Audacity or
    similar, to see if there is consistency?

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to somewhere@large.in.the.world on Sat Sep 4 11:08:12 2021
    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:34:11 +0100, SimonM
    <somewhere@large.in.the.world> wrote:

    On 07/07/2021 10:49, jon wrote:
    Keep hearing rumble on certain pieces of music.


    Was this close to lunchtime by any chance?

    Seriously, some of their stuff _must_ be off
    vinyl, as they play ages-old recordings of things
    from famous conductors etc.

    Otherwise it's mood-music library versions,
    mostly, or new CDs they are plugging.

    But they can't be playing vinyl live these days -
    everything is digitised and off a server (a laptop
    would do!) for playout.

    So the question is what filtration is applied at
    "ingest". I don't hear clicks and pops, but those
    are pretty easy to deal with digitally. So is
    rumble, but they might not filter the LF.

    Might you do a spectrum analysis in Audacity or
    similar, to see if there is consistency?

    Interesting. Can you still get hearing tests during the Covid?

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Scott on Sat Sep 4 11:32:42 2021
    In article <7bh6jgtltha3765relad9lle5tjahd5b9l@4ax.com>,
    Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 09:34:11 +0100, SimonM
    <somewhere@large.in.the.world> wrote:

    On 07/07/2021 10:49, jon wrote:
    Keep hearing rumble on certain pieces of music.


    Was this close to lunchtime by any chance?

    Seriously, some of their stuff _must_ be off
    vinyl, as they play ages-old recordings of things
    from famous conductors etc.

    Otherwise it's mood-music library versions,
    mostly, or new CDs they are plugging.

    But they can't be playing vinyl live these days -
    everything is digitised and off a server (a laptop
    would do!) for playout.

    So the question is what filtration is applied at
    "ingest". I don't hear clicks and pops, but those
    are pretty easy to deal with digitally. So is
    rumble, but they might not filter the LF.

    Might you do a spectrum analysis in Audacity or
    similar, to see if there is consistency?

    Interesting. Can you still get hearing tests during the Covid?

    I had 0one last October

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to charles on Sat Sep 4 11:58:45 2021
    On 04/09/2021 11:32, charles wrote:
    I had 0one last October

    I suspect that it depends on the area. I keep hearing / reading that it
    is difficult / impossible to get a GP appointment or even see them face
    to face but I have had no problem. I rang after 1600h a week or so ago
    and got an appointment for next morning at 1015.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Sep 4 12:45:39 2021
    In article <sgvjfk$k9q$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 04/09/2021 11:32, charles wrote:
    I had 0one last October

    I suspect that it depends on the area. I keep hearing / reading that it
    is difficult / impossible to get a GP appointment or even see them face
    to face but I have had no problem. I rang after 1600h a week or so ago
    and got an appointment for next morning at 1015.

    Indeed so. I wanted to see a doctor but got a telephone appointment
    followed by an "in person" blood test. (dificult to do those on the phone).
    Interstingly the bruising from the blood test is still there, just, after
    3 weeks. Perhaps that's a sign of old age ;-)

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Scott on Sat Sep 4 12:55:32 2021
    On 04/09/2021 11:08, Scott wrote:
    Interesting. Can you still get hearing tests during the Covid?

    Eh?

    Bill

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  • From Stephen Wolstenholme@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Sep 4 14:46:26 2021
    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 11:58:45 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    I keep hearing / reading that it
    is difficult / impossible to get a GP appointment or even see them face
    to face but I have had no problem.

    I could not get an appointment with my GP so he came to see me on his
    way home. That was easier for both of us. I think the no "face to
    face" news was in the Daily Mail. I don't read that paper.

    Steve

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Stephen Wolstenholme on Sat Sep 4 15:39:28 2021
    On 04/09/2021 14:46, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:
    I could not get an appointment with my GP so he came to see me on his
    way home. That was easier for both of us. I think the no "face to
    face" news was in the Daily Mail. I don't read that paper.


    There seem to be a range of newspapers making the claim but always easy
    to blame it on the Daily Mail.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to charles on Sat Sep 4 15:34:52 2021
    On 04/09/2021 12:45, charles wrote:
    Indeed so. I wanted to see a doctor but got a telephone appointment
    followed by an "in person" blood test. (dificult to do those on the phone).
    Interstingly the bruising from the blood test is still there, just, after
    3 weeks. Perhaps that's a sign of old age

    They always say that nurses are better at taking blood samples or giving injection than doctors. :-)

    I have a blood test every month or so and the doctor usually has to try
    several times before she gets enough blood.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to steve@easynn.com on Sat Sep 4 16:28:25 2021
    On Sat, 04 Sep 2021 14:46:26 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
    <steve@easynn.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 11:58:45 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    I keep hearing / reading that it
    is difficult / impossible to get a GP appointment or even see them face
    to face but I have had no problem.

    I could not get an appointment with my GP so he came to see me on his
    way home. That was easier for both of us. I think the no "face to
    face" news was in the Daily Mail. I don't read that paper.

    My information is that it's somewhere in between. There is an
    informal triage system and if the situation can be dealt with over the
    phone it will be but if a face to face appointment is needed this will
    be arranged.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Sep 4 16:22:30 2021
    In article <sh004r$4dq$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 04/09/2021 12:45, charles wrote:
    Indeed so. I wanted to see a doctor but got a telephone appointment followed by an "in person" blood test. (dificult to do those on the
    phone). Interstingly the bruising from the blood test is still there,
    just, after 3 weeks. Perhaps that's a sign of old age

    They always say that nurses are better at taking blood samples or giving injection than doctors. :-)

    I have a blood test every month or so and the doctor usually has to try several times before she gets enough blood.

    I had my blood sample taken by a "Phlebotomist". I assumed she was a
    specialist in taking blood samples.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to wrightsaerials@f2s.com on Sat Sep 4 16:59:49 2021
    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 12:55:32 +0100, williamwright
    <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

    On 04/09/2021 11:08, Scott wrote:
    Interesting. Can you still get hearing tests during the Covid?

    Eh?

    I was commenting on the ability of others to hear sounds on Classic FM
    that I am not aware of.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to SimonM on Sat Sep 4 22:47:26 2021
    SimonM <somewhere@large.in.the.world> wrote:

    On 07/07/2021 10:49, jon wrote:
    Keep hearing rumble on certain pieces of music.


    Was this close to lunchtime by any chance?

    Seriously, some of their stuff _must_ be off
    vinyl, as they play ages-old recordings of things
    from famous conductors etc.

    A lot of famous conductors were recorded on 78s, so the playback could
    be of CDs made from shellac pressings if the historic metalwork has gone
    AWOL. Processing these is a complex art and science, there is a lot
    more to it than just throwing software at the problem.

    Sometimes older recordings had a number of bass-cut time constants in
    the various stages of the recording process, so these have to be
    compenstaed with complimentary bass boost time constants at playback.
    This can result in up to 20dB boost and any unevenness in the record
    surface then shows up as rumble. The quietest 'shellac' surfaces were laminated Columbias, but unfortunately they had a slight 'orange peel' appearance, which manifests itself as a higher rumble level than the
    grittier 'solid stock' material.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Stephen Wolstenholme@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sun Sep 5 12:52:18 2021
    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 15:34:52 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 04/09/2021 12:45, charles wrote:
    Indeed so. I wanted to see a doctor but got a telephone appointment
    followed by an "in person" blood test. (dificult to do those on the phone). >> Interstingly the bruising from the blood test is still there, just, after >> 3 weeks. Perhaps that's a sign of old age

    They always say that nurses are better at taking blood samples or giving >injection than doctors. :-)

    I have a blood test every month or so and the doctor usually has to try >several times before she gets enough blood.

    In my experience my GP is the best at taking blood. He gets the
    location first time. I've found that one of the district nurses is
    just as good as my GP but I've also had experience with one who had to
    try a few times before she found a suitable vein.

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to Stephen Wolstenholme on Sun Sep 5 13:58:21 2021
    "Stephen Wolstenholme" <steve@easynn.com> wrote in message news:39b9jgd1vcjsptvmau6pe2lutmsaqcv65r@4ax.com...
    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 15:34:52 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 04/09/2021 12:45, charles wrote:
    Indeed so. I wanted to see a doctor but got a telephone appointment
    followed by an "in person" blood test. (dificult to do those on the
    phone).
    Interstingly the bruising from the blood test is still there, just,
    after
    3 weeks. Perhaps that's a sign of old age

    They always say that nurses are better at taking blood samples or giving >>injection than doctors. :-)

    I have a blood test every month or so and the doctor usually has to try >>several times before she gets enough blood.

    In my experience my GP is the best at taking blood. He gets the
    location first time. I've found that one of the district nurses is
    just as good as my GP but I've also had experience with one who had to
    try a few times before she found a suitable vein.

    My veins are apparently unusually deep or small, so doctors and nurses often have to hunt around to find a suitable one. Several times when a blood
    sample is taken, they will start with the needle in one vein and end up
    using one from the other arm (with a new needle).

    The only time it's *really* hurt was when I used to give blood as a donor.
    The doctor on one occasion was a squat, dumpy women with a foreign accent
    and an attitude problem (think of Rosa Klebb!). She stabbed around without success and was getting more and more impatient. A young nurse, very courageously, asked her if she was having problems. and Rosa was so relieved
    to be rid of me that she handed me over rather than biting the nurse's head
    off for impudence. The young nurse did it first time and apologised for the pain I'd quite clearly suffered. It was as close an admission of "that
    doctor's useless" as I was going to get ;-)

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  • From SimonM@21:1/5 to Scott on Sun Sep 5 13:18:28 2021
    On 04/09/2021 16:28, Scott wrote:
    On Sat, 04 Sep 2021 14:46:26 +0100, Stephen Wolstenholme
    <steve@easynn.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 4 Sep 2021 11:58:45 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    I keep hearing / reading that it
    is difficult / impossible to get a GP appointment or even see them face
    to face but I have had no problem.

    I could not get an appointment with my GP so he came to see me on his
    way home. That was easier for both of us. I think the no "face to
    face" news was in the Daily Mail. I don't read that paper.

    My information is that it's somewhere in between. There is an
    informal triage system and if the situation can be dealt with over the
    phone it will be but if a face to face appointment is needed this will
    be arranged.

    Practices vary, but that's pretty much it.

    GPs are not themselves immune to Covid, nor to
    gummermint apps telling them to self-isolate. So
    they are trying to cope with rising levels of
    demand alongside reduced manpower.

    I know one GP "quite well". About half her
    colleagues have had Covid and a few have
    long-Covid issues too. She isn't supposed to see
    patients, because of the Covid risk to her (and
    her husband, who is on immunosuppressant drugs).
    Her usual working day is 11-12 hours, lunch taken
    at her desk.

    Their biggest frustration is appointments missed
    or deliberately ignored:

    She recently had a patient demanding to see a
    specific GP in the practice (and face-to-face),
    urgently, and refusing the help offered by 'phone.
    So she set up an appointment for the following day
    (involved juggling other appointments for just
    this. The patient didn't show up. It's far from
    uncommon.

    In a different vein(!), a fortnight ago, someone
    cut the network cable to the practice, which took
    BT until 6PM to fix, meaning they could do almost
    nothing all day (no access to patient records,
    etc). The entire gang stayed late that night to
    try to catch up on calls, etc., but oddly many
    patients don't want to talk to their doctors
    out-of-hours.

    We know an entire cohort from the 1980s who either
    have or can't wait to retire. Almost none of them
    will be doing anything medical part time after
    they quit.

    One reason is medical insurance: hospitals cover
    their clinical staff, but GPs fund themselves. The
    insurance for part-time work is prohibitively
    expensive. I know several people who still do a
    bit of out-of-hours cover, but they gain little
    from it financially, and they are talking about
    stopping.

    Several retired friends tried to volunteer for
    Covid work during the worst parts of the pandemic,
    only to be told they had to provide their own
    insurance, and do several training courses on
    subjects such as handwashing and diversity (yup,
    really).

    So not a happy crew these days.

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  • From Stephen Wolstenholme@21:1/5 to somewhere@large.in.the.world on Sun Sep 5 15:21:56 2021
    On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 13:18:28 +0100, SimonM
    <somewhere@large.in.the.world> wrote:

    We know an entire cohort from the 1980s who either
    have or can't wait to retire. Almost none of them
    will be doing anything medical part time after
    they quit.

    My wife is medically qualified and one of my helpers has surgical
    experience. Since retirement both have been asked to do Covid work.
    It's all been by phone calls from hospital staff. One of the callers
    is obviously a machine responding to yes/no answers. It sounds like a appointment conformation and reminder machine with modified text.

    Steve

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  • From SimonM@21:1/5 to Stephen Wolstenholme on Sun Sep 5 21:55:18 2021
    On 05/09/2021 15:21, Stephen Wolstenholme wrote:

    My wife is medically qualified and one of my helpers has surgical
    experience. Since retirement both have been asked to do Covid work.
    It's all been by phone calls from hospital staff. One of the callers
    is obviously a machine responding to yes/no answers. It sounds like a appointment conformation and reminder machine with modified text.

    I've heard of this, but it doesn't directly affect
    us because mine isn't retired quite yet. She is
    counting the days however (literally).

    She doesn't do Covid vaccinations either, but I
    think that's because the practice's nurses don't
    want her getting in the way and slowing everything
    up.;-)

    I have to provide regular blood samples, usually
    every two months but sometimes more frequently.
    The trick is to be seen by the phlebotomist in the
    treatment room, as they are usually excellent.

    That said, our phlebotomist tells me that the
    ability to find a vein varies by time of day, the
    patient's emotional state and other factors. I'm
    well used to it so don't get worked up, which
    seems to help. Can't say it's ever enjoyable though.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 5 23:34:32 2021
    On Sun, 5 Sep 2021 at 13:18:28, SimonM <somewhere@large.in.the.world>
    wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
    []
    In a different vein(!), a fortnight ago, someone cut the network cable
    to the practice, which took BT until 6PM to fix, meaning they could do
    almost nothing all day (no access to patient records, etc). The entire

    If patient records are _only_ in the cloud, that's worrying.
    []
    Several retired friends tried to volunteer for Covid work during the
    worst parts of the pandemic, only to be told they had to provide their
    own insurance, and do several training courses on subjects such as >handwashing and diversity (yup, really).

    That beggars belief. I know "PC gone mad" is a cliché and usually _can_
    see the intent, but that does seem a bit OTT (not to mention insulting
    in the case of the former).

    So not a happy crew these days.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Actors are fairly modest...A lot of us have quite a lot to be modest about. - Simon Greenall (voice of Aleksandr the "Simples!" Meerkat), RT 11-17 Dec 2010

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  • From SimonM@21:1/5 to charles on Mon Sep 6 12:34:07 2021
    On 14/07/2021 18:59, charles wrote:
    Star Trek would probaly have been in tv aspect ratio,

    It was shot on 35mm in 4:3, I presume at 30fps, as
    it was made for US TV, (but might have been 24)

    If anyone is interested there was a really good
    re-xfer (digitization) / restoration done a few
    years ago, and the entire original series were
    available on Netflix recently (around 2018).

    It was done very well, by CBS Paramount Domestic
    Television in the USA, with sumptuous colours, and
    to a high resolution - far better than the
    original broadcast standards of the day.

    Obviously the low-budget nature of the series was
    rather apparent, but it's worth watching,
    especially for those of us who never saw it in
    colour as children.

    They have done digital versions of some of the
    opticals though, for example the exteriors of the
    Enterprise under way that are used as establishing
    shots, the backdrops of alien planets, the screen
    on the Enterprise bridge, etc. They aren't as
    intrusive as I feared before watching the series.

    Details here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_The_Original_Series#Remastered_edition

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to SimonM on Mon Sep 6 12:48:42 2021
    "SimonM" <somewhere@large.in.the.world> wrote in message news:sh4ubg$fae$1@dont-email.me...
    On 14/07/2021 18:59, charles wrote:
    Star Trek would probaly have been in tv aspect ratio,

    It was shot on 35mm in 4:3, I presume at 30fps, as it was made for US TV, (but might have been 24)

    Was it normal practice for US TV to shoot film (on made-for-TV programmes)
    at 30 fps, or did they use standard cinema rate of 24 fps and show it at 30
    fps using 3:2 pulldown?

    I know that film for UK/European film was shot at 25 rather than 24 fps and shown at that speed, and cinema film is shown at 25 fps - which is why there are no motion artefacts on 625/25 TV (unlike on 525/30 TV in US) because
    there is no alternating 2 and 3 TV fields per film frame.

    Given the lack of motion artefacts on Star Trek, I presume it was shot at 24 fps and shown (in the UK) at 25 fps, rather than being shot at 30 and shown
    at 25 using some weird pulldown (30 to 25 isn't a nice easy ratio of alternating 2 and 3 fields per film frame like 30 to 24 is).

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Mon Sep 6 12:50:15 2021
    "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
    news:sh4v7b$kqc$1@dont-email.me...
    "SimonM" <somewhere@large.in.the.world> wrote in message news:sh4ubg$fae$1@dont-email.me...
    On 14/07/2021 18:59, charles wrote:
    Star Trek would probaly have been in tv aspect ratio,

    It was shot on 35mm in 4:3, I presume at 30fps, as it was made for US TV,
    (but might have been 24)

    Was it normal practice for US TV to shoot film (on made-for-TV programmes)
    at 30 fps, or did they use standard cinema rate of 24 fps and show it at
    30 fps using 3:2 pulldown?

    I know that film for UK/European film was shot at 25 rather than 24 fps
    and shown at that speed, and cinema film is shown at 25 fps - which is why there are no motion artefacts on 625/25 TV (unlike on 525/30 TV in US) because there is no alternating 2 and 3 TV fields per film frame.

    Given the lack of motion artefacts on Star Trek, I presume it was shot at
    24 fps and shown (in the UK) at 25 fps, rather than being shot at 30 and shown at 25 using some weird pulldown (30 to 25 isn't a nice easy ratio of alternating 2 and 3 fields per film frame like 30 to 24 is).

    Sorry, when I said " film for UK/European film" (para 2) I meant " film for UK/European TV".

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to SimonM on Mon Sep 6 12:44:18 2021
    On 06/09/2021 12:34, SimonM wrote:
    On 14/07/2021 18:59, charles wrote:
    Star Trek would probaly have been in tv aspect ratio,

    It was shot on 35mm in 4:3, I presume at 30fps, as it was made for US
    TV, (but might have been 24)

    I think all US 'Made for TV' productions on film were 24 fps.

    As long as we had the native celluloid versions they looked a lot better
    here, than there (where they'd have had 3-2 pull down applied)

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