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  • S.O.T. Why am I being asked to sign in to BBC News Android App?

    From The Other John@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 12 16:59:25 2022
    Since a recent update on my Fire tablet I now get this message whenever I
    open the news app: You will soon need to sign in / Register now.
    Why? What will I or BBC gain from this? I already have to sign in for iPlayer.

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    TOJ.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to The Other John on Wed Apr 13 06:01:40 2022
    On 12/04/2022 17:59, The Other John wrote:
    Since a recent update on my Fire tablet I now get this message whenever I open the news app: You will soon need to sign in / Register now.
    Why? What will I or BBC gain from this? I already have to sign in for iPlayer.

    Is it so they have better data on how many using the website?

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 11:00:54 2022
    On 13/04/2022 06:01, MB wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 17:59, The Other John wrote:

    Since a recent update on my Fire tablet I now get this message whenever I
    open the news app:  You will soon need to sign in / Register now.
    Why?  What will I or BBC gain from this?  I already have to sign in for
    iPlayer.

    Is it so they have better data on how many using the website?

    The BBC are really annoying with their silly sign-on messages.

    I expect it will put a lot of people off. Reminds me of a local library
    that stopped putting magazines up on racks so you had to go to the desk
    and request them. The idea was to see how many people were reading them
    I suppose, but it must have had the effect of reducing use, especially
    if there was a queue at the desk or it was unmanned. And they would miss
    casual readers.

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    Max Demian

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed Apr 13 11:38:23 2022
    On 13/04/2022 11:00, Max Demian wrote:

    The BBC are really annoying with their silly sign-on messages.

    True.
    I expect it will put a lot of people off. Reminds me of a local library
    that stopped putting magazines up on racks so you had to go to the desk
    and request them. The idea was to see how many people were reading them
    I suppose, but it must have had the effect of reducing use, especially
    if there was a queue at the desk or it was unmanned. And they would miss casual readers.

    Probably introduced when the magazines started walking out of the door.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Wed Apr 13 11:36:53 2022
    On 13/04/2022 11:00, Max Demian wrote:
    On 13/04/2022 06:01, MB wrote:
    On 12/04/2022 17:59, The Other John wrote:

    Since a recent update on my Fire tablet I now get this message
    whenever I
    open the news app: You will soon need to sign in / Register now.
    Why? What will I or BBC gain from this? I already have to sign in for
    iPlayer.

    Is it so they have better data on how many using the website?

    The BBC are really annoying with their silly sign-on messages.

    I expect it will put a lot of people off. Reminds me of a local library
    that stopped putting magazines up on racks so you had to go to the desk
    and request them. The idea was to see how many people were reading them
    I suppose, but it must have had the effect of reducing use, especially
    if there was a queue at the desk or it was unmanned. And they would miss casual readers.

    The good thing is that you only have to sign on once per device.

    Still a PITA, though.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Wed Apr 13 17:56:10 2022
    On 13/04/2022 11:36, John Williamson wrote:


    The BBC are really annoying with their silly sign-on messages.

    They obviously don't look at people's passwords, because mine are really
    rude.

    Bill

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to williamwright on Wed Apr 13 19:06:39 2022
    williamwright wrote:

    John Williamson wrote:

    The BBC are really annoying with their silly sign-on messages.

    They obviously don't look at people's passwords, because mine are really rude.

    My username and my password are rude.

    They don't even store useful settings in your user account, so they have to ask *every* time have I got a licence, *every* time do I want to enable parental controls, and then most times they start showing me a trailer which I always click skip and would like to permanently opt-out of.

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  • From Dave W@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 22:01:02 2022
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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to Dave W on Wed Apr 13 22:18:34 2022
    Dave W wrote:

    Andy Burns wrote:

    They don't even store useful settings in your user account, so they have to ask
    *every* time have I got a licence

    That's strange - I only get asked if I have a licence if I use a new
    device.

    You probably don't clear cookies very often?

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  • From Dave W@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 15 23:11:53 2022
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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Dave W on Fri Apr 15 23:27:15 2022
    On 15/04/2022 23:11, Dave W wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 22:18:34 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    You probably don't clear cookies very often?

    Indeed. Why would I want to?

    Cookies are a known security risk, especially those linked to a third
    party website.

    The BBC one that keeps you logged in to their streaming services is not
    a third party one, so can safely be left in place.

    My browsers are set to clear all third party cookies when I close the
    browser, but retain cookies which connect only to the owner of the page
    I downloaded. As a result, I only ever have to log on to the BBC once
    per device.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Sat Apr 16 09:27:22 2022
    On 15/04/2022 23:27, John Williamson wrote:
    Cookies are a known security risk, especially those linked to a third
    party website.

    The BBC one that keeps you logged in to their streaming services is not
    a third party one, so can safely be left in place.

    My browsers are set to clear all third party cookies when I close the browser, but retain cookies which connect only to the owner of the page
    I downloaded. As a result, I only ever have to log on to the BBC once
    per device.

    At least you can opt out of the cookies. I went to use another TV
    stations streaming service a few days ago, you cannot access with an Ad
    Blocker and the "manage cookies" link takes you to a page that lists ALL
    the cookies and then each one has to opted out on the cookies owners'
    websites. You might think they are trying to discourage you from opting
    out!

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to johnwilliamson@btinternet.com on Sat Apr 16 09:34:10 2022
    On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 23:27:15 +0100, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:

    On 15/04/2022 23:11, Dave W wrote:
    On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 22:18:34 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
    wrote:

    You probably don't clear cookies very often?

    Indeed. Why would I want to?

    Cookies are a known security risk, especially those linked to a third
    party website.

    The BBC one that keeps you logged in to their streaming services is not
    a third party one, so can safely be left in place.

    My browsers are set to clear all third party cookies when I close the >browser, but retain cookies which connect only to the owner of the page
    I downloaded. As a result, I only ever have to log on to the BBC once
    per device.

    The popular computer tidying-up application CCleaner (Formerly "Crap
    Cleaner" until they decided somebody might think it was rude) has a
    very handy cookie clearing system. There's a screen with two panels,
    the left one listing all cookies accumulated since the last time you
    cleared them, and the right panel showing all the cookies you want to
    keep, and you can just move items from one list to the other according
    to preference. If a website you use a lot keeps annoying you by
    requiring a new login or data input the first time you use it every
    day, you can just find its name in the left hand list and move it to
    the right, and then CCleaner will leave it alone.

    Rod.

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 16 10:13:20 2022
    On 16/04/2022 09:27, MB wrote:
    On 15/04/2022 23:27, John Williamson wrote:
    Cookies are a known security risk, especially those linked to a third
    party website.

    The BBC one that keeps you logged in to their streaming services is not
    a third party one, so can safely be left in place.

    My browsers are set to clear all third party cookies when I close the
    browser, but retain cookies which connect only to the owner of the page
    I downloaded. As a result, I only ever have to log on to the BBC once
    per device.

    At least you can opt out of the cookies.

    I use a proper browser. Iron on Windows and Chrome on Android. When it
    deletes the third party cookies, it doesn't ask the website for
    permission. A few web sites ask me to log on again next time I download
    them, because they use a third party login utility, but pages that do
    that tend to be dodgy anyway.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Apr 16 20:10:50 2022
    On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 at 09:27:22, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses
    usually FOLLOW):
    On 15/04/2022 23:27, John Williamson wrote:
    Cookies are a known security risk, especially those linked to a third
    party website.
    The BBC one that keeps you logged in to their streaming services is
    not
    a third party one, so can safely be left in place.
    My browsers are set to clear all third party cookies when I close
    the
    browser, but retain cookies which connect only to the owner of the page
    I downloaded. As a result, I only ever have to log on to the BBC once
    per device.

    At least you can opt out of the cookies. I went to use another TV
    stations streaming service a few days ago, you cannot access with an Ad >Blocker and the "manage cookies" link takes you to a page that lists
    ALL the cookies and then each one has to opted out on the cookies
    owners' websites. You might think they are trying to discourage you
    from opting out!

    Yes, those sorts of sites are most irritating. I generally find those
    ones, if you turn off Javascript and then press reload, don't bring up
    the cookie dialogue at all, but mostly still work - though I expect that
    won't remain the case for long.

    _Sometimes_ there's a "reject all" button/function/whatever, but it's
    often hard to see. And also they seem to talk about "legitimate"; it's
    _my_ decision what's legitimate and what's not, so any that do that
    definitely get given the no!
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Often at work I wish they'd pay me what I'm worth, but sometimes I'm glad they don't. (BrritSki, in uk.media.radio.archers, on 2000-12-25.)

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