• OT: how insensitive can you edit?

    From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 8 18:23:42 2022
    18:21 on 2022-4-8 - the half-way-through headline summary:

    Rocket hits station in Ukraine. Many killed.
    Grand National Weekend.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Mon Apr 11 20:57:23 2022
    On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 18:23:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    18:21 on 2022-4-8 - the half-way-through headline summary:

    Rocket hits station in Ukraine. Many killed.
    Grand National Weekend.

    Summary of what, by whom and in what context? If it was the subtitles
    on BBC News Channel or Sky News, it could be perfectly reasonable.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 11 21:45:15 2022
    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 20:57:23, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 18:23:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    18:21 on 2022-4-8 - the half-way-through headline summary:

    Rocket hits station in Ukraine. Many killed.
    Grand National Weekend.

    Summary of what, by whom and in what context? If it was the subtitles
    on BBC News Channel or Sky News, it could be perfectly reasonable.

    Half way through (OK, a bit more than half way that day) the 6 p. m.
    news, they put headlines on screen, just like they do at the start of
    the prog.; I assume it's for the parts of the world that have an ad.
    break there, and it's how they come back after the break. Pictures of devastation with "Ukraine station bombed" or similar words over them
    (and a voice saying more or less the same, adding many killed), followed immediately - I mean after between 2 and 5 seconds - with shots of the racecourse, and on-screen and voiceover words about that.

    Well, _I_ thought it was insensitive. (Even in "normal" times, I
    wouldn't have considered a horse race to really be a news headline, but certainly not there.)
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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    - 03-22-97 Dave Beecham <dave.beecham@pandbox.demon.co.uk> (quoted by
    Gene Wirchenko, in alt.windows7.general, 2012-10-16.)

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Mon Apr 11 21:59:41 2022
    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:45:15 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
    <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 20:57:23, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 18:23:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    18:21 on 2022-4-8 - the half-way-through headline summary:

    Rocket hits station in Ukraine. Many killed.
    Grand National Weekend.

    Summary of what, by whom and in what context? If it was the subtitles
    on BBC News Channel or Sky News, it could be perfectly reasonable.

    Half way through (OK, a bit more than half way that day) the 6 p. m.
    news, they put headlines on screen, just like they do at the start of
    the prog.; I assume it's for the parts of the world that have an ad.
    break there, and it's how they come back after the break. Pictures of >devastation with "Ukraine station bombed" or similar words over them
    (and a voice saying more or less the same, adding many killed), followed >immediately - I mean after between 2 and 5 seconds - with shots of the >racecourse, and on-screen and voiceover words about that.

    Well, _I_ thought it was insensitive. (Even in "normal" times, I
    wouldn't have considered a horse race to really be a news headline, but >certainly not there.)

    Which news programme, which broadcaster? What are you on about?

    I would expect a summary to include each of the items in the news
    broadcast in a shortened form. A clue lies in the name.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 11 23:24:11 2022
    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 21:59:41, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
    wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 21:45:15 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" ><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 at 20:57:23, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> >>wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 18:23:42 +0100, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" >>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

    18:21 on 2022-4-8 - the half-way-through headline summary:

    Rocket hits station in Ukraine. Many killed.
    Grand National Weekend.

    Summary of what, by whom and in what context? If it was the subtitles
    on BBC News Channel or Sky News, it could be perfectly reasonable.

    Half way through (OK, a bit more than half way that day) the 6 p. m.
    news, they put headlines on screen, just like they do at the start of
    the prog.; I assume it's for the parts of the world that have an ad.
    break there, and it's how they come back after the break. Pictures of >>devastation with "Ukraine station bombed" or similar words over them
    (and a voice saying more or less the same, adding many killed), followed >>immediately - I mean after between 2 and 5 seconds - with shots of the >>racecourse, and on-screen and voiceover words about that.

    Well, _I_ thought it was insensitive. (Even in "normal" times, I
    wouldn't have considered a horse race to really be a news headline, but >>certainly not there.)

    Which news programme, which broadcaster? What are you on about?

    I would expect a summary to include each of the items in the news
    broadcast in a shortened form. A clue lies in the name.

    The 6 p. m. news as shown on BBC1 and BBC News Channel. (Sorry, "BBC
    ONE".)

    Yes, it would indeed be reasonable to expect a summary to list the items
    coming up. I just thought the running order - of the headlines - was
    rather unfeeling (as well as thinking the latter was too specific -
    "we'll have sports headlines" maybe; but that's just symptomatic of monostoryism). I can't remember if the subsequent _features_ ran the
    station disaster feature right next to the Grand National one - I don't
    _think_ they did.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    You make it from scratch?
    Yep.
    Do you make your own scratch?
    --
    "pyotr filipivich" in alt.windows7.general 2017-5-20

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  • From NY@21:1/5 to G6JPG@255soft.uk on Tue Apr 12 09:55:27 2022
    "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message news:7p8+9BSLqKViFw+0@a.a...

    Yes, it would indeed be reasonable to expect a summary to list the items coming up. I just thought the running order - of the headlines - was
    rather unfeeling (as well as thinking the latter was too specific -
    "we'll have sports headlines" maybe; but that's just symptomatic of monostoryism). I can't remember if the subsequent _features_ ran the
    station disaster feature right next to the Grand National one - I don't _think_ they did.

    What was it that you found insensitive? The fact that it was *any* horse
    race, or *any* sport, or the fact that it was specifically the Grand
    National which tends to be particularly gruelling for horses and may lead to injuries that require horses to be put down?

    Would a story about *any* sport, immediately following one about the Ukraine War, be insensitive? Should there be a "buffer zone" of a fairly neutral
    story - maybe something political that doesn't involve scandal - in between?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to me@privacy.invalid on Tue Apr 12 18:28:05 2022
    On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 09:55:27, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote (my
    responses usually FOLLOW):
    []
    Would a story about *any* sport, immediately following one about the
    Ukraine War, be insensitive?

    Yes, I think so. Certainly in the headlines.

    Should there be a "buffer zone" of a fairly neutral story - maybe
    something political that doesn't involve scandal - in between?

    Is there anything political that doesn't involve scandal? (-:
    [Of course there is, but you'd never know it these days )-:.]
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Practicall every British actor with a bus pass is in there ...
    Barry Norman (on "The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel" [2011]), RT 2015/12/12-18

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