So why is it? There must be a reason.
It's obvious that the proportion of black people in TV adverts doesn't >represent the population as a whole. So many mixed marriages! So why is it? >If a manufacturer wants to have an advert on the telly --
-- does he actually want to have a disproportionate number of black
people in it?
-- what thoughts does he have about the effectiveness of the advert if
it has a disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the ad agency insists on the ad having a
disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the TV companies insist on the ad having a >disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the trades unions insist on the ad having a >disproportionate number of black people in it?
So why is it? There must be a reason.
Bill
On 06/04/2022 21:31, williamwright wrote:
So why is it? There must be a reason.
It is not that long since they used to worry about young black people
not having enough role models seen on TV. Now the opposite way around.
And of course much lower number of Asian people are seen even though I
think they outnumber black people in the UK.
Is it perhaps because many of those making the programmes and adverts
live in the inner London and other inner cities and think the rest of
the UK has the same mix?
The policy seems to be counterproductive and just annoys a lot of people.
It's obvious that the proportion of black people in TV adverts doesn't >represent the population as a whole. So many mixed marriages! So why is it? >If a manufacturer wants to have an advert on the telly --
-- does he actually want to have a disproportionate number of black
people in it?
-- what thoughts does he have about the effectiveness of the advert if
it has a disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the ad agency insists on the ad having a
disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the TV companies insist on the ad having a >disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the trades unions insist on the ad having a >disproportionate number of black people in it?
So why is it? There must be a reason.
Bill
I can't say I have noticed how many black people are in TV adverts.
That's mainly because I always skip over advertising breaks with my
recorder.
The number of black people in the actual programs seems nearly correct
for the country or location the programs.
On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 21:31:13 +0100, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
It's obvious that the proportion of black people in TV adverts
doesn't represent the population as a whole. So many mixed marriages!
So why is it? If a manufacturer wants to have an advert on the telly
-- -- does he actually want to have a disproportionate number of
black people in it?
-- what thoughts does he have about the effectiveness of the advert
if it has a disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the ad agency insists on the ad having a >>disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the TV companies insist on the ad having a >>disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the trades unions insist on the ad having a >>disproportionate number of black people in it?
So why is it? There must be a reason.
Bill
I can't say I have noticed how many black people are in TV adverts.
That's mainly because I always skip over advertising breaks with my
recorder.
The number of black people in the actual programs seems nearly
correct for the country or location the programs.
Steve
Programmes vary but you can just about guarantee that if there is a
couple in an TV advert then they will either be mixed race or both
black. Some adverts only use black actors and just about always way
about the 3% in the UK population and also in Scotland where there are
only about 1% black.
"Positive discrimination" directed at one group is just another name for >widesperad negative discrimination, which generates widespread
resentment.
It's obvious that the proportion of black people in TV adverts doesn't represent the population as a whole. So many mixed marriages! So why is it? If a manufacturer wants to have an advert on the telly --
-- does he actually want to have a disproportionate number of black
people in it?
-- what thoughts does he have about the effectiveness of the advert if
it has a disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the ad agency insists on the ad having a
disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the TV companies insist on the ad having a disproportionate number of black people in it?
-- is it that that the trades unions insist on the ad having a disproportionate number of black people in it?
So why is it? There must be a reason.
Thank you for your audience, Mr. Wright. I am positive you enjoyed my thoughts.
There is an advert for some insurrance company or another (!) which is ostensibly
set in the UK, but there's something just not right about it all. That's because it's
filmed in South Africa somewhere. So whilst they paid attention to certain things
like street signs, the car registration plates are crappy attempts at UK ones, and
the traffic lights just look a bit too different to what we are used to.
On 12/04/2022 14:41, David Paste wrote:
South African traffic lights (they call them 'Robots' there) are
There is an advert for some insurrance company or another (!) which is
ostensibly
set in the UK, but there's something just not right about it all.
That's because it's
filmed in South Africa somewhere. So whilst they paid attention to
certain things
like street signs, the car registration plates are crappy attempts at
UK ones, and
the traffic lights just look a bit too different to what we are used to.
American style.
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
On 13/04/2022 08:31, Mark Carver wrote:
On 12/04/2022 14:41, David Paste wrote:
South African traffic lights (they call them 'Robots' there) are
There is an advert for some insurrance company or another (!) which is
ostensibly
set in the UK, but there's something just not right about it all.
That's because it's
filmed in South Africa somewhere. So whilst they paid attention to
certain things
like street signs, the car registration plates are crappy attempts at
UK ones, and
the traffic lights just look a bit too different to what we are used
to.
American style.
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
Just don't annoy anyone. Drivers, especially taxi and minibus drivers,
tend to be armed and are not afraid to use their guns. Some minibuses
even carry armed guards (or, at least they did last time I was there.)
Incidentally, peak hour traffic on the Johannesburg ring motorway is
about equivalent to the middle of the night on the M25.
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
Normal service will now be resumed...
Why is the signal for Radio 4 FM so weak in the Potteries?
On 13/04/2022 10:35, John Williamson wrote:
On 13/04/2022 09:28, Andy Burns wrote:Holme Moss has been running on its reserve antenna on and off for ages
John Williamson wrote:for the last 2 years or more?
Normal service will now be resumed...
Why is the signal for Radio 4 FM so weak in the Potteries?
See the Holme Moss thread?
(We are actually on the fringes for at least 3 transmitters. 92.7,
93.3 and 93.7)
(over a year I think )
"John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:jbnf38F30teU1@mid.individual.net...
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
What is more or less intuitive about our motorway lane signage
compared with SA's? Does SA have the same system as some parts of the
US, that when you are on the motorway and approach a junction, the
"least significant" lane becomes an "exit-only" lane; and after the
junction, there is a long lane for joining traffic which traffic
already on the motorway is discouraged from using? Is traffic allowed
to overtake on either side, or is it strictly "overtake only on the
most significant side" as in the UK?
Do SA's traffic lights (robots) have a red-and-amber phase beforeI can't remember, straight from red to green I think. Also (like the US)
green, as in the UK, or do they go straight from red to green, as in
the US (*) and some European countries?
On 13/04/2022 09:28, Andy Burns wrote:
John Williamson wrote:for the last 2 years or more?
Normal service will now be resumed...
Why is the signal for Radio 4 FM so weak in the Potteries?
See the Holme Moss thread?
(We are actually on the fringes for at least 3 transmitters. 92.7,
93.3 and 93.7)
John Williamson wrote:
Normal service will now be resumed...
Why is the signal for Radio 4 FM so weak in the Potteries?
See the Holme Moss thread?
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On 13/04/2022 09:28, Andy Burns wrote:
John Williamson wrote:for the last 2 years or more?
Normal service will now be resumed... Why is the signal for Radio 4
FM so weak in the Potteries?
See the Holme Moss thread?
(We are actually on the fringes for at least 3 transmitters. 92.7,
93.3 and 93.7)
Holme Moss has been running on its reserve antenna on and off for ages
(over a year I think )
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
That might explain the weak signal on 93.7 at our depot, which is on the Western fringes of the Staffordshire moorlands, but not the weak signal
on other frequencies at home.
https://goo.gl/maps/abPV8RfNTWrFTAYD7 You are coming north on M1 and
need to turn off left to stay on the M1 towards the A1; the right-hand
lanes go onto the southern Leeds ring road M621. I imagine they've done
it that way round because they think the majority of traffic will be
going from the M1 to the M621 to get access to Leeds from the south, and
that less traffic will be continuing on the M1 to go north on the A1.
The M1-A1 link (branch left, then go north east) is also the newer road
to be built.
Why is the signal for Radio 4 FM so weak in the Potteries?
Holme Moss has been running on its reserve antenna on and off for ages
(over a year I think )
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
On 13/04/2022 12:19, NY wrote:
https://goo.gl/maps/abPV8RfNTWrFTAYD7 You are coming north on M1 and need
to turn off left to stay on the M1 towards the A1; the right-hand lanes
go onto the southern Leeds ring road M621. I imagine they've done it that
way round because they think the majority of traffic will be going from
the M1 to the M621 to get access to Leeds from the south, and that less
traffic will be continuing on the M1 to go north on the A1. The M1-A1
link (branch left, then go north east) is also the newer road to be
built.
Some satnavs advise leaving the M1 for the M18, then A1(M), so I guess a
lot don't use the last bit of the M1. Also a lot of people don't know it exists!
"williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message news:jbodsuF8tbnU1@mid.individual.net...
On 13/04/2022 12:19, NY wrote:
https://goo.gl/maps/abPV8RfNTWrFTAYD7 You are coming north on M1 and need >>> to turn off left to stay on the M1 towards the A1; the right-hand lanes
go onto the southern Leeds ring road M621. I imagine they've done it that >>> way round because they think the majority of traffic will be going from
the M1 to the M621 to get access to Leeds from the south, and that less
traffic will be continuing on the M1 to go north on the A1. The M1-A1
link (branch left, then go north east) is also the newer road to be
built.
Some satnavs advise leaving the M1 for the M18, then A1(M), so I guess a
lot don't use the last bit of the M1. Also a lot of people don't know it
exists!
I can remember (vaguely: I was nobbut a lad) when the M1 ended at Stourton and you had to go into Leeds past Waddingtons board game factory to Thwaite Gate and along the Pontefract Road.
Then the M1 was extended a couple of miles westward along what is now the M621: some of the junctions had *very* tight curves and consequently very slow speed limits on the off-slip roads. Then it was extended further west and south west as it is now. I wonder if that second extension was when the ring-road sections of it were re-numbered the M621. The present M1-A1 link road to Bramham is fairly recent: I remember as recently as 2008 one of the junctions (J45?) had been built but the linking road had not yet been built so the junction was closed off.
I've always wondered whether the A1-M18-M1 route or the A1-M1 (via east side of Leeds) route is shorter/quicker. For a given journey (arbitrarily Tadcaster to M1 J31) via either M1 or A1/M18, the latter is 9 miles shorter and 11 mins quicker. I imagine that's why it's signposted as the preferred route from "The South" on the M1 to "The North" on the A1. Shame that there isn't a flyover junction between A1 and M18 to avoid the dreaded roundabout, especially going south.
But if you are travelling from (for example) Wakefield to York, the M1-A1 link road really comes into its own as a shorter route than using ordinary trunk roads that existed prior to its construction.
On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 09:14:35 UTC+1, John Williamson wrote:
Why is the signal for Radio 4 FM so weak in the Potteries?
What's the impedance of your receiving pottery?
On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 08:31:30 UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:You should go. Myself and Mrs C have had two road trip holidays there
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitiveI'd quite like to visit SA, particularly Cape Town and Simon's
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
Town. I'm semi-obsessed with the geography of the place.
On 13/04/2022 19:39, David Paste wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 09:14:35 UTC+1, John Williamson wrote:
Why is the signal for Radio 4 FM so weak in the Potteries?
What's the impedance of your receiving pottery?
Maybe he's trying to use a dish.
M1 M18 A1 is faster in my experience given no traffic issues.
On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 08:31:30 UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
I'd quite like to visit SA, particularly Cape Town and Simon's
Town. I'm semi-obsessed with the geography of the place.
On 13/04/2022 19:39, David Paste wrote:
On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 08:31:30 UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:If you do, make sure you are on an organised tour. Most of Cape Town
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
I'd quite like to visit SA, particularly Cape Town and Simon's
Town. I'm semi-obsessed with the geography of the place.
is not tourist friendly lately. Come to that, a *lot* of SA is "avoid
unless necessary" if you are what the Met police still refer to as IC1.
When in Cape Town, time it so you visit the Garden Route at its best,
and if possible, visit Pretoria when the Jacaranda trees are in bloom,
but only if you like bright ( and I mean *bright*) purple.
"Tweed" <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote in message news:t37dmi$3jm$1@dont-email.me...
M1 M18 A1 is faster in my experience given no traffic issues.
The problem is, the A1 is/was two-lane for a lot of the section from the M18 junction northwards. So lorries were a problem: you only need to get one HGV to pull out to overtake another going 0.00001 mph slower and the whole road is reduced to a 56 mph speed limit for mile after mile until either the overtaking lorry eventually manages to get past or else it abandons the attempt.
It's improved now that the section around Ferrybridge has been converted to motorway standard and has three lanes, but it used to be dire. Of course, if you go further back in time, the A1 used to have roundabouts on it (Blyth etc) - and still does to this day much further south around Welwyn, which surprised me when I drove down south a few years ago. I can remember in the 1980s the section between Knaresborough and Bedale had a few roundabouts and also gaps in the central reservation where tractors (and other traffic) were allowed to turn right across the oncoming traffic.
It's improved now that the section around Ferrybridge has been converted
to motorway standard and has three lanes, but it used to be dire. Of
course, if you go further back in time, the A1 used to have roundabouts
on it (Blyth etc) - and still does to this day much further south around Welwyn, which surprised me when I drove down south a few years ago. I
can remember in the 1980s the section between Knaresborough and Bedale
had a few roundabouts and also gaps in the central reservation where
tractors (and other traffic) were allowed to turn right across the
oncoming traffic.
On 14/04/2022 10:04, Tweed wrote:
on the two
lane section you can just sit in the faster lane and not worry about lane
swapping.
But if there's no traffic in the left lane you must move across.
Bill
on the two
lane section you can just sit in the faster lane and not worry about lane swapping.
On 14/04/2022 15:49, williamwright wrote:
But if there's no traffic in the left lane you must move across.
It is usually not that simple, often you are waiting a chance to
overtake the vehicle in front of you safely but do you move over to
allow the car behind you to overtake you?
But if there's no traffic in the left lane you must move across.
On 14/04/2022 09:37, NY wrote:
It's improved now that the section around Ferrybridge has been converted
to motorway standard and has three lanes, but it used to be dire. Of
course, if you go further back in time, the A1 used to have roundabouts
on it (Blyth etc) - and still does to this day much further south around
Welwyn, which surprised me when I drove down south a few years ago. I can
remember in the 1980s the section between Knaresborough and Bedale had a
few roundabouts and also gaps in the central reservation where tractors
(and other traffic) were allowed to turn right across the oncoming
traffic.
When they first dualled the bit above Red House they put 'clearway'
notices every 100 yards. Because these looked slightly like the Cross of
St Andrew I thought (I was very very young) that the signs meant that it
was the road to Scotland. There were also 'soft verge' signs, which I
misread and thought were something about unintelligent girls who hadn't
had sex. That's the sort of child I was. Always jumping to incorrect conclusions. I thought Castrol was the same as castor oil. I thought that when we sung 'There is a green hill..." in Infants' assembly we were
singing about the Head, Miss Greenhow. Who many kids thought was called
Miss Greenhouse.
When I did a summer job after my A levels at a company which developed >(amongst other things) sonar microphones for detecting submarines, I
heard the phrase "towed array" spoken (to begin with I didn't see it
written down) and wondered how a load of warty frogs could be used to
work out where a submarine was ;-)
Blue Heaven and toad array are good examples of mondegreens - and that
word is a mondegreen itself.
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 14/04/2022 15:49, williamwright wrote:
But if there's no traffic in the left lane you must move across.
It is usually not that simple, often you are waiting a chance to
overtake the vehicle in front of you safely but do you move over to
allow the car behind you to overtake you?
If it has 4 interlocking rings, no, but if it has blue flashing lights yes.
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 16:23:44, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
[]
When I did a summer job after my A levels at a company which developed >>(amongst other things) sonar microphones for detecting submarines, I heard >>the phrase "towed array" spoken (to begin with I didn't see it written >>down) and wondered how a load of warty frogs could be used to work out >>where a submarine was ;-)
Hooray - I thought I was the only one who heard it as that!
(My favourite is "when I called you last night from Tesco".) I've long
been suspicious that the word is invented, as I've never actually heard anyone recite/sing - correctly or mondegreened (?) - the poem/song on
which it is allegedly based (except when explaining the derivation of the word).
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message >news:bR52jIPQYFWiFwR7@a.a...[]
On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 16:23:44, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote (my >>responses usually FOLLOW):
submarines, I heard the phrase "towed array" spoken (to begin with I >>>didn't see it written down) and wondered how a load of warty frogs
could be used to work out where a submarine was ;-)
Hooray - I thought I was the only one who heard it as that!
What made it worse was that my boss described how a ship released a
long line of submarine-detecting hydrophones(microphones for use
underwater) and pulled it behind it as if it was towing it. So he
referred to the concept and even used the word "towing" - but not
"towed". And then in next sentence he referred to this "towed array"
and my mind did a Dilbert-like cognitive dissonance and thought "WTF?
What have toads got to do with it?". By the third use of the phrase, my
brain had caught up and thought "Ah, towed, not toad".
[](My favourite is "when I called you last night from Tesco".) I've
I heard the place as "Pasco" which I thought was some obscure and
sleazy mid-western USA town. It was a bit of a let-down when I saw the
lyrics said "Glasgow" - I thought "oh, how underwhelming" ;-) Now do
you know what "Super Trouper" refers to? I only learned it many years
after hearing the song - and there's a damn great clue in the lyrics
which completely passed me by.
Wikipedia says that the song The Bonny Earl of Moray (who was slain
along with his bit-on-the-side Lady Mondegreen!) has been collected by
Child and Roud so it would seem to be authentic. But it may not be a
I think this thread has drifted a little bit...
On Wednesday, 13 April 2022 at 08:31:30 UTC+1, Mark Carver wrote:
I quite like driving in SA. Big American style roads, more intuitive
motorway lane signage than us, and best of all, they drive on the
proper side of the road
I'd quite like to visit SA, particularly Cape Town and Simon's
Town. I'm semi-obsessed with the geography of the place.
On 14/04/2022 15:49, williamwright wrote:
But if there's no traffic in the left lane you must move across.
It is usually not that simple, often you are waiting a chance to
overtake the vehicle in front of you safely but do you move over to
allow the car behind you to overtake you?
But if there's no traffic in the left lane you must move across.That is rarely the case though on the two lane A1 north of the M18. It’s usually full of lorries.
Bill
On 14/04/2022 16:14, Tweed wrote:
I drive that way a lot and I'd say 'rarely' is an overstatement. IBut if there's no traffic in the left lane you must move across.That is rarely the case though on the two lane A1 north of the M18. It’s >> usually full of lorries.
Bill
normally find that I'm mainly in the left lane but I have to overtake
now and then. I only drive at about 65 however.
Bill
I drive that way a lot and I'd say 'rarely' is an overstatement. IPerhaps I go at all the wrong times. It’s often a struggle to even get on to the A1 at the M18 junction.
normally find that I'm mainly in the left lane but I have to overtake
now and then. I only drive at about 65 however.
Bill
junction is planned for an upgrade to 3 lanes due to congestion. Once/if those works start I’ll definitely be taking the M1 Leeds western bypass route.
On 15/04/2022 07:13, Tweed wrote:
I drive that way a lot and I'd say 'rarely' is an overstatement. IPerhaps I go at all the wrong times. It’s often a struggle to even get on >> to the A1 at the M18 junction.
normally find that I'm mainly in the left lane but I have to overtake
now and then. I only drive at about 65 however.
Bill
Yes it is! And the bloody idiots round here manage to block all lanes of
the M18 when the queue is long.
I hear that the stretch north of the M18
junction is planned for an upgrade to 3 lanes due to congestion. Once/if
those works start I’ll definitely be taking the M1 Leeds western bypass
route.
My dad was the General Foreman (Bridges) when the Donny bypass (the bit of road we're on about) was built, and he was always saying that the bridges should be built wider to allow for extra lanes. And that was early 60s!
The most horrible thing about that road is the on-ramp north at
Warmsworth. It's very short and can catch you out unless you know. My technique is to hurtle* down the steep bit and basically launch myself
onto the main carriageway by squeezing in. If you don't do that you're
fucked sometimes.
*within the limits of my conveyance.
There is/was a petrol station on the northbound side of the A1 somewhere around the Doncaster area: it's at the top of a long gentle hill
upwards. I made the mistake of stopping there for fuel and spent about 5 minutes waiting to get back onto the A1 because the slip road for accelerating from 0 to 70 (assume traffic will be doing the speed limit)
is exceptionally short.
On 15/04/2022 15:51, NY wrote:
There is/was a petrol station on the northbound side of the A1 somewhere
around the Doncaster area: it's at the top of a long gentle hill upwards.
I made the mistake of stopping there for fuel and spent about 5 minutes
waiting to get back onto the A1 because the slip road for accelerating
from 0 to 70 (assume traffic will be doing the speed limit) is
exceptionally short.
That's the place just north of Barnsdale Bar. It's known as Forte's
because that's what it was when in opened in the 60s. The sliproad is just
a bit of the hard shoulder really. It's a nightmare to get out of that
place.
Don't people *read* the road ahead and
act co-operatively?
submarines, I heard the phrase "towed array" spoken (to begin with I
didn't see it written down) and wondered how a load of warty frogs
could be used to work out where a submarine was ;-)
Hooray - I thought I was the only one who heard it as that!
What made it worse was that my boss described how a ship released a
long line of submarine-detecting hydrophones(microphones for use
underwater) and pulled it behind it as if it was towing it. So he
referred to the concept and even used the word "towing" - but not
"towed". And then in next sentence he referred to this "towed array"
and my mind did a Dilbert-like cognitive dissonance and thought "WTF?
What have toads got to do with it?". By the third use of the phrase,
my brain had caught up and thought "Ah, towed, not toad".
Something similar in my case. (Was it messybeast you worked for?)
[](My favourite is "when I called you last night from Tesco".) I've
I heard the place as "Pasco" which I thought was some obscure and
sleazy mid-western USA town. It was a bit of a let-down when I saw the
lyrics said "Glasgow" - I thought "oh, how underwhelming" ;-) Now do
you know what "Super Trouper" refers to? I only learned it many years
Equally underwhelming; it's the trade name - or a model - of spotlight.
(I think something similar in US is or was called a "Klieg light",
though I might be quite wrong about that.)
after hearing the song - and there's a damn great clue in the lyrics
which completely passed me by.
And in the video (-:
Ah, you're thinking of the garage near the, er, adult store. Yes that
looks to have a short sliproad. I was actually thinking of this one https://goo.gl/maps/G6UxMZp3VrwsKrgT6 which is a few miles further
south. Counting lamp-posts, I think your has an even shorter sliproad
than mine.
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Don't people *read* the road ahead and
act co-operatively?
The driving position in modern cars is so low that it is sometimes
impossible to get an accurate view of the traffic situation ahead.
Since I got a van I have found it is much easier to spot potential
snarl-ups from my lofty viewpoint and give way in plenty of time. Also
there is far less fear that the traffic behind won't realise what you
are doing and might run up the back of you - the back end of a big white
van with no windows is quite intimidating and can hardly be ignored.
On 15/04/2022 17:57, NY wrote:
Ah, you're thinking of the garage near the, er, adult store. Yes that >>looks to have a short sliproad. I was actually thinking of this one >>https://goo.gl/maps/G6UxMZp3VrwsKrgT6 which is a few miles further
south. Counting lamp-posts, I think your has an even shorter sliproad
than mine.
Ha! That place, 50-odd years ago, was a tumbledown transport cafe where
me and my my mates used to loiter in the middle of the night.
Bill
after hearing the song - and there's a damn great clue in the lyrics >>>which completely passed me by.And in the video (-:
You're the first person who's actually known what a Super Trouper is.
I'll have to find the video on Youtube. I think I've only heard the
song and never actually seen the video. The funniest Abba performance
I've ever seen is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nrzne1nNnjQ
- watch the younger saxophonist (with the huge moustache) who keeps
looking away but his eyes are inexorably drawn back to Agnetha and >Anni-frida. He can't help himself, and he's getting very hot under the
collar. Poor bugger - they even come over to the piano and sing right
next to him.
it was far from obvious where it is when you're actually going southbound (the
letters are on the south side of the roof, so you'd passed it by the time you saw it - if you did - in the rear view mirror). When I eventually _did_ manage
to find the right turnoff - I think there are signs for Doll's Hospital - and actually found it, it had clearly closed
The driving position in modern cars is so low that it is sometimes
impossible to get an accurate view of the traffic situation ahead.
Since I got a van I have found it is much easier to spot potential
snarl-ups from my lofty viewpoint
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Don't people *read* the road ahead and
act co-operatively?
The driving position in modern cars is so low that it is sometimes
impossible to get an accurate view of the traffic situation ahead.
Since I got a van I have found it is much easier to spot potential
snarl-ups from my lofty viewpoint and give way in plenty of time. Also
But vans (even 4x4s) worsen the view from cars beside or behind them, so probably do as much harm as good overall ...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 18:28:47, Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Don't people *read* the road ahead and
act co-operatively?
The driving position in modern cars is so low that it is sometimes >>impossible to get an accurate view of the traffic situation ahead.
(And the bonnet shape means you can't see where the front is.)
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message >news:l8WpYnptNxWiFw15@a.a...
On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 18:28:47, Liz Tuddenham >><liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Don't people *read* the road ahead and
act co-operatively?
The driving position in modern cars is so low that it is sometimes >>>impossible to get an accurate view of the traffic situation ahead.
(And the bonnet shape means you can't see where the front is.)
I've not found that the driving position is so low that I can't get an >accurate position of the road ahead. I imagine a low-slung car like a
without needing sensors. Ironically my wife's CR-V has parking sensors
and yet both of us have nudged poles (signpost and telegraph pole) when >reversing: it seems that the sensors are blind to an obstruction that
the sensor is about to hit, even if they can see either side.
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 09:30:10, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
"J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Apr 2022 at 18:28:47, Liz Tuddenham
<liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW): >>>> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
[...]
Don't people *read* the road ahead and
act co-operatively?
The driving position in modern cars is so low that it is sometimes
impossible to get an accurate view of the traffic situation ahead.
(And the bonnet shape means you can't see where the front is.)
I've not found that the driving position is so low that I can't get an
accurate position of the road ahead. I imagine a low-slung car like a
It wasn't the road ahead, it was seeing where the front is that I meant.
[]
without needing sensors. Ironically my wife's CR-V has parking sensors
and yet both of us have nudged poles (signpost and telegraph pole) when
reversing: it seems that the sensors are blind to an obstruction that
the sensor is about to hit, even if they can see either side.
I have the opposite problem (56 Škoda Octavia); they're _too_ broad -
in particular, they pick up a kerb across where I'm going which hitting
would do no harm. The result being that if I think I know what they're detecting, I ignore them - hence the dent from a lamppost that was in my blind-ish spot (rear left). [Melton Constable, Seaton Sluice, Northumberland.]
A reversing camera would have been your friend
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A reversing camera would have been your friend
In both cases, the object was in the blind spot where it was hidden by the C pillars and therefore not visible through either the central mirror or the relevant door mirror, and was off the edge of the field of view of the reversing camera - and for some reason not picked up by reversing sensor. I think if you *tried* to find an object and a direction of approach that
would evade all those safety mechanisms/precautions, you'd have a hard
time - but both of us have managed it.
Given that both points of impact were exactly over a reversing sensor, I wonder if it can see in all directions except directly in front of it...
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
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A reversing camera would have been your friend
In both cases, the object was in the blind spot where it was hidden by
the C
pillars and therefore not visible through either the central mirror or
the
relevant door mirror, and was off the edge of the field of view of the
reversing camera - and for some reason not picked up by reversing sensor.
I
think if you *tried* to find an object and a direction of approach that
would evade all those safety mechanisms/precautions, you'd have a hard
time - but both of us have managed it.
Given that both points of impact were exactly over a reversing sensor, I
wonder if it can see in all directions except directly in front of it...
It’s a poorly designed reversing camera that can’t see things the car is capable of reversing into.
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NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
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A reversing camera would have been your friend
In both cases, the object was in the blind spot where it was hidden
by the C
pillars and therefore not visible through either the central mirror
or the
relevant door mirror, and was off the edge of the field of view of the
reversing camera - and for some reason not picked up by reversing >>>sensor. I
It’s a poorly designed reversing camera that can’t see things the car is >> capable of reversing into.
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 at 17:51:32, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote (my
responses usually FOLLOW):
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NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
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A reversing camera would have been your friend
My 56 Škoda Octavia doesn't have one.
In both cases, the object was in the blind spot where it was hidden
by the C
pillars and therefore not visible through either the central mirror
or the
relevant door mirror, and was off the edge of the field of view of the
Mine was on the side, just behind the rear passenger door. (Not sure a
camera _would_ have seen it - I sort of side-swiped it, not reversed
into it.)
reversing camera - and for some reason not picked up by reversing
sensor. I
Mine _was_ picked up, but as I've already said, my sensors _were_
picking it up - they're just so _over_sensitive that I was ignoring
them, thinking they were picking up a kerb or something. (I've even
known them pick up just road surface if the car's not quite horizontal,
or there's a slight hump.)
[]
It’s a poorly designed reversing camera that can’t see things the car is
capable of reversing into.
Agreed for reversing. For side-swiping, it'd need to have a _very_ wide
- and thus probably distorted - field of view.
I have seen a case where the system drew lines on the view in the
reversing screen - which I _think_ reflected (i. e. moved with) the
steering, i. e they showed where you'd go if you carried on reversing
with the current lock.
[]
Mine was on the side, just behind the rear passenger door. (Not sure a
camera _would_ have seen it - I sort of side-swiped it, not reversed
into it.)
On 18/04/2022 00:15, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Mine was on the side, just behind the rear passenger door. (Not sure a camera _would_ have seen it - I sort of side-swiped it, not reversed
into it.)
My mate reversed his van into an overhanging roof and smashed the
reversing camera.
I recently did exactly the samre thing, except that I was going very
slowly and just scratched the roof fascia board.
On 18/04/2022 15:32, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I recently did exactly the samre thing, except that I was going very
slowly and just scratched the roof fascia board.
We used to do work on the ambulance radio system, at one station they
told us that one driver forgot a new vehicle was slightly higher and
ripped the blue light off. After that they had a slot cut in the roof >supports.
On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 at 18:46:43, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
On 18/04/2022 15:32, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I recently did exactly the samre thing, except that I was going very
slowly and just scratched the roof fascia board.
We used to do work on the ambulance radio system, at one station they
told us that one driver forgot a new vehicle was slightly higher and
ripped the blue light off. After that they had a slot cut in the roof >supports.
Did the roof then fall down?
(Sorry, but ...)
On 18/04/2022 15:32, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
I recently did exactly the samre thing, except that I was going very
slowly and just scratched the roof fascia board.
We used to do work on the ambulance radio system, at one station they told
us that one driver forgot a new vehicle was slightly higher and ripped the blue light off. After that they had a slot cut in the roof supports.
"Slightly higher" [than he was used to] reminds me of a railway accident
(in Northern Ireland, IIRC) where a JCB on the back of a low-loader hit
a bridge, knocking the deck sideways, slewing the rails and causing an approaching train to derail.
The driver's fault for trying to go under a bridge that was too low?
Well not quite. The driver had made this journey many times before and
knew that the JCB, which he always loaded onto the lorry himself, would
fit under the bridge. On this fateful occasion, the driver loaded the
JCB and took a break. While he was away, someone else needed to retrieve
the bucket from the JCB, so he started it up, extended the jib, removed
the bucket and returned the jib to its previous position - except he didn't... And he didn't tell the driver what he had done. The driver
"knew" that the jib was correctly stowed, because he had done the job himself. But unknown to him, the other man hadn't quite lowered the jib
far enough, and the difference was enough to convert "the jib will fit comfortably under the bridge" into "the jib is about 6 inches too high
to fit under the bridge".
"Slightly higher" [than he was used to] reminds me of a railway accident (in Northern Ireland, IIRC) where a JCB on the back of a low-loader hit a
bridge, knocking the deck sideways, slewing the rails and causing an approaching train to derail.
On 13/04/2022 10:49, John Williamson wrote:
That might explain the weak signal on 93.7 at our depot, which is on
the Western fringes of the Staffordshire moorlands, but not the weak
signal on other frequencies at home.
If you're on the fringes of all three transmitter areas that's why the signals are weak.
Bill
On 18/04/2022 21:24, NY wrote:
"Slightly higher" [than he was used to] reminds me of a railway accident (in Northern Ireland, IIRC) where a JCB on the back of a low-loader hit
a bridge, knocking the deck sideways, slewing the rails and causing an approaching train to derail.
The driver's fault for trying to go under a bridge that was too low?
Well not quite. The driver had made this journey many times before and
knew that the JCB, which he always loaded onto the lorry himself, would
fit under the bridge. On this fateful occasion, the driver loaded the
JCB and took a break. While he was away, someone else needed to retrieve the bucket from the JCB, so he started it up, extended the jib, removed
the bucket and returned the jib to its previous position - except he didn't... And he didn't tell the driver what he had done. The driver
"knew" that the jib was correctly stowed, because he had done the job himself. But unknown to him, the other man hadn't quite lowered the jib
far enough, and the difference was enough to convert "the jib will fit comfortably under the bridge" into "the jib is about 6 inches too high
to fit under the bridge".
The best excuse for a bridge strike I known about was many years ago,
when lorry delivered a Portakabin, travelling under a bridge on the West Coast Main Line near Hamel Hempstead. No worries until a month or two
later, when the same lorry, with the same driver went under the bridge
the other way after collecting the same Portakabin. Crunching ensued,
which led to head scratching and the closure of the line until a check
could be made.
It turned out that the council had resurfaced the road in between, but
had not planed it first, so the road surface was a touch higher than it
had been, but as the gap under the brodge was still more than the sign
said, they didn't change the sign. The first time through, he'd had an
inch or so of clearance, but add two inches of tarmac...
(Common practice is to put a sign up indicating about six inches less
than the actual clearance when the bridge is built to allow for such muppetry.)
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