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  • Reporting of the invasion.

    From MB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 09:05:43 2022
    News people like to be in on the action, I always wonder what the
    reporters at ITN think with BBC able to report 24/7 and presumably Sky
    News the same though I have never seen it. Must be very frustrating to
    have news reports or good video footage but have to wait hours before
    they can use them.

    Also a few weeks ago several experienced reporters left BBC News (and
    Sky News?) to "follow the money" and go to small news stations with big
    cheque books (one that is not even running yet I believe).

    Makes you wonder how they feel on missing out on such a major news event!

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 09:13:17 2022
    On 03/03/2022 09:05, MB wrote:
    News people like to be in on the action, I always wonder what the
    reporters at ITN think with BBC able to report 24/7 and presumably Sky
    News the same though I have never seen it.  Must be very frustrating
    to have news reports or good video footage but have to wait hours
    before they can use them.

    I don't think the lack of a 24/7 news channel for ITN/ITV is a problem.
    Much of the footage is from social media, and all the broadcasters go
    through lengthy verification processes to ensure it's authentic anyway.

    You gain a much better picture of what's happening by just watching the
    main news programme on BBC 1, ITV, or C4 every night, than having the
    telly on all day watching the news channels

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 09:29:01 2022
    MB wrote:

    News people like to be in on the action

    Before the invasion started, Matt Frei was reporting from Kiev, when I didn't notice [m]any others being there on the ground, he/his team did leave as soon as
    the invasion started ... Then I started noticing Mark Austin there for Sky, but seems from twitter he's decided to leave now.

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Thu Mar 3 14:32:51 2022
    On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 09:13:17, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    On 03/03/2022 09:05, MB wrote:
    News people like to be in on the action, I always wonder what the >>reporters at ITN think with BBC able to report 24/7 and presumably Sky
    News the same though I have never seen it.  Must be very frustrating

    If you have FreeView, Sky News is there (233) just two clicks up from
    BBC News (231) - just the other side of BBC Parliament. (I tend to watch
    BBC, but turn over to Sky occasionally when BBC get stuck on something.
    [Though often Sky are too - monostoryism was common before the current situation, and will be again.])
    []
    You gain a much better picture of what's happening by just watching the
    main news programme on BBC 1, ITV, or C4 every night, than having the
    telly on all day watching the news channels

    It has never been more obvious than it is now that the news channels
    were/are set up for people who want to dip in for a quick news update,
    _not_ for anyone who wants continuous news: the repetition is
    intolerable. Not that there's anything wrong with repetition as such,
    but _unannounced_ repetition ... I repeat my call for (e. g.) in-vision timestamps after first or at most second showing of reports; _not_ doing
    so is misleading. They should realise that, especially in the current situation, there now _are_ a significant number of continuous viewers.
    --
    J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

    Anyone can do any amount of work provided it isn't the work he is supposed to be doing at the moment. -Robert Benchley, humorist, drama critic, and actor (1889-1945)

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 15:41:04 2022
    On 03/03/2022 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    It has never been more obvious than it is now that the news channels
    were/are set up for people who want to dip in for a quick news update,
    _not_ for anyone who wants continuous news: the repetition is
    intolerable.

    That is normally the case but I am sure many are leaving it on the
    background at the moment.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 15:39:12 2022
    On 03/03/2022 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    If you have FreeView, Sky News is there (233) just two clicks up from
    BBC News (231) - just the other side of BBC Parliament.

    Not everywhere, only on main stations.

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 15:58:03 2022
    MB wrote:

    J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

    If you have FreeView, Sky News is there (233)

    Not everywhere, only on main stations.

    It's available here, with more weather instead of adverts

    <https://youtu.be/9Auq9mYxFEE>

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 4 08:01:43 2022
    On 03/03/2022 15:39, MB wrote:
    On 03/03/2022 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    If you have FreeView, Sky News is there (233) just two clicks up from
    BBC News (231) - just the other side of BBC Parliament.

    Not everywhere, only on main stations.

    Or to put it another way, only available to 91% of the UK population

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Mar 4 16:19:13 2022
    On 04/03/2022 08:01, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 03/03/2022 15:39, MB wrote:
    On 03/03/2022 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    If you have FreeView, Sky News is there (233) just two clicks up from
    BBC News (231) - just the other side of BBC Parliament.

    Not everywhere, only on main stations.

    Or to put it another way, only available to 91% of the UK population

    If that's calculated from the sum total of the coverage of the relays
    it's probably an underestimate, because a lot of relays are only there
    because of analogue reception problems. Since digi started on full power
    a lot of aerials that are in 'relay' areas actually use a main station.
    People are often prepared to pay a bit extra to avoid Freeview Lite.

    Bill

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to williamwright on Fri Mar 4 17:58:30 2022
    On 04/03/2022 16:19, williamwright wrote:
    On 04/03/2022 08:01, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 03/03/2022 15:39, MB wrote:
    On 03/03/2022 14:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    If you have FreeView, Sky News is there (233) just two clicks up from
    BBC News (231) - just the other side of BBC Parliament.

    Not everywhere, only on main stations.

    Or to put it another way, only available to 91% of the UK population

    If that's calculated from the sum total of the coverage of the relays
    it's probably an underestimate, because a lot of relays are only there because of analogue reception problems. Since digi started on full
    power a lot of aerials that are in 'relay' areas actually use a main
    station. People are often prepared to pay a bit extra to avoid
    Freeview Lite.

    Yes. I've seen figures as high as 94% quoted. Of course satellite use is possibly a higher proportion in areas that have absolutely no COM mux
    coverage, so to all intents and purposes Sky News is probably available
    to another couple of per cent on top of that too.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Fri Mar 4 22:59:21 2022
    On 04/03/2022 17:58, Mark Carver wrote:
    If that's calculated from the sum total of the coverage of the relays
    it's probably an underestimate, because a lot of relays are only there
    because of analogue reception problems. Since digi started on full
    power a lot of aerials that are in 'relay' areas actually use a main
    station. People are often prepared to pay a bit extra to avoid
    Freeview Lite.

    Yes. I've seen figures as high as 94% quoted. Of course satellite use is possibly a higher proportion in areas that have absolutely no COM mux coverage, so to all intents and purposes Sky News is probably available
    to another couple of per cent on top of that too.

    And even in places with good terrestrial signals a surprising number of
    people don't bother with an aerial these days. They just use the
    internet. So I guess that applies in places where terrestrial reception
    is poor as well.

    We've having more and more problems caused by low usage of the communal
    system (it causes access problems, and poor fault reporting). They just
    use wifi; look at you gone out when you say you want to check the aerial signal.

    Bill

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 10:35:24 2022
    On 05/03/2022 10:19, MB wrote:
    Surprised we have not had the usual moans from tabloid reporters (in
    their nice warm home) about the (usually BBC ones) news reporters in the field wearing "expensive" jackets, usually accusations of "advertising"
    as well against the BBC because (like most jackets) they are labelled
    with the maker's name.

    Maybe I've not been paying attention, but all the BBC reporters I've
    seen in the Ukraine have been wearing flak jackets, and all that I've
    read on them is "PRESS" in white lettering. Hard hats are, it seems,
    optional.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 10:19:33 2022
    Surprised we have not had the usual moans from tabloid reporters (in
    their nice warm home) about the (usually BBC ones) news reporters in the
    field wearing "expensive" jackets, usually accusations of "advertising"
    as well against the BBC because (like most jackets) they are labelled
    with the maker's name.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Sat Mar 5 11:00:49 2022
    On 05/03/2022 10:35, John Williamson wrote:
    Maybe I've not been paying attention, but all the BBC reporters I've
    seen in the Ukraine have been wearing flak jackets, and all that I've
    read on them is "PRESS" in white lettering. Hard hats are, it seems, optional.

    Depends where they are reporting, the ones at the refugee areas do not
    wear the flak jacket and much of the reporting is from there.

    Usually the ones on the roof the building they use, who do wear flak
    jacket and helmet (they have security/safety adviser with them).

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 11:51:43 2022
    When it is over, someone should sign up the girl organising the making
    of camouflage nets. She was on BBC News early, perfect fluent English.
    Better reporter than some professionals and easy on the eye!

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  • From Andy Burns@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 11:29:24 2022
    MB wrote:

    Depends where they are reporting, the ones at the refugee areas do not wear the
    flak jacket and much of the reporting is from there.

    and they all seem to have "North Face" jackets.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Sat Mar 5 17:01:35 2022
    On 05/03/2022 10:35, John Williamson wrote:
    On 05/03/2022 10:19, MB wrote:
    Surprised we have not had the usual moans from tabloid reporters (in
    their nice warm home) about the (usually BBC ones) news reporters in the
    field wearing "expensive" jackets, usually accusations of "advertising"
    as well against the BBC because (like most jackets) they are labelled
    with the maker's name.

    Maybe I've not been paying attention, but all the BBC reporters I've
    seen in the Ukraine have been wearing flak jackets, and all that I've
    read on them is "PRESS" in white lettering. Hard hats are, it seems, optional.

    I think in this situation, the jackets and helmets were definite life savers

    https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-teams-harrowing-account-of-their-violent-ambush-in-ukraine-this-week-12557585

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Mar 5 20:44:16 2022
    On 05/03/2022 17:01, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 05/03/2022 10:35, John Williamson wrote:
    On 05/03/2022 10:19, MB wrote:
    Surprised we have not had the usual moans from tabloid reporters (in
    their nice warm home) about the (usually BBC ones) news reporters in the >>> field wearing "expensive" jackets, usually accusations of "advertising"
    as well against the BBC because (like most jackets) they are labelled
    with the maker's name.

    Maybe I've not been paying attention, but all the BBC reporters I've
    seen in the Ukraine have been wearing flak jackets, and all that I've
    read on them is "PRESS" in white lettering. Hard hats are, it seems,
    optional.

    I think in this situation, the jackets and helmets were definite life
    savers

    https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-teams-harrowing-account-of-their-violent-ambush-in-ukraine-this-week-12557585

    Definitely, as they are, potentially, in any war zone. That is why they
    are so popular. The unusual thing in that case was that they got shot at.

    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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