• BBC Podcasts

    From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 26 09:46:34 2022
    Many recent BBC Podcasts have begun with a message that things
    are changing. AIUI, unless I use Sounds, the implication is that
    I will have to wait 28 days to hear them. I'm not even sure that
    RSS feeds (which I rely on to queue them on my desktop PC) will
    even still be available.

    Chris
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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Sat Feb 26 11:11:09 2022
    In my view these are not podcasts. they are merely files you can stream or sometimes download. I see still a lot of rss and xml links, but far more
    seem to be just links to files and I often wonder if they really should say podcast at all as they rely on different standard, and some as on Apple are only available as a paid for service.


    I think the loss of feedburner was a very sad day. Now it appears that companies like Spootify, Apple and stitcher etc, seem to have hijacked it
    all.

    Brian

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    Many recent BBC Podcasts have begun with a message that things
    are changing. AIUI, unless I use Sounds, the implication is that
    I will have to wait 28 days to hear them. I'm not even sure that
    RSS feeds (which I rely on to queue them on my desktop PC) will
    even still be available.

    Chris
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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Sat Feb 26 12:20:12 2022
    On 26/02/2022 09:46, Chris J Dixon wrote:

    Many recent BBC Podcasts have begun with a message that things
    are changing. AIUI, unless I use Sounds, the implication is that
    I will have to wait 28 days to hear them. I'm not even sure that
    RSS feeds (which I rely on to queue them on my desktop PC) will
    even still be available.

    I don't understand that message, as in, "From next month, you can hear
    XXXX 28 days before anyone else, free, on BBC Sounds."

    Who is "anyone else"? Does that include (normal) radio? What about
    programmes that go out live, like "In Our Own Time"? What about podcasts streamed or downloaded by a third party podcatcher or directly?

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sat Feb 26 14:55:24 2022
    Max Demian wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 09:46, Chris J Dixon wrote:

    Many recent BBC Podcasts have begun with a message that things
    are changing. AIUI, unless I use Sounds, the implication is that
    I will have to wait 28 days to hear them. I'm not even sure that
    RSS feeds (which I rely on to queue them on my desktop PC) will
    even still be available.

    I don't understand that message, as in, "From next month, you can hear
    XXXX 28 days before anyone else, free, on BBC Sounds."

    Who is "anyone else"? Does that include (normal) radio? What about
    programmes that go out live, like "In Our Own Time"? What about podcasts >streamed or downloaded by a third party podcatcher or directly?

    My suspicion is that they are trying to sell a positive message.

    They are avoiding the more accurate "Unless you use Sounds, you
    will have to wait 28 days after broadcast to listen to a
    programme podcast."

    Chris
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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Chris J Dixon on Sat Feb 26 17:06:13 2022
    On 26/02/2022 14:55, Chris J Dixon wrote:
    Max Demian wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 09:46, Chris J Dixon wrote:

    Many recent BBC Podcasts have begun with a message that things
    are changing. AIUI, unless I use Sounds, the implication is that
    I will have to wait 28 days to hear them. I'm not even sure that
    RSS feeds (which I rely on to queue them on my desktop PC) will
    even still be available.

    I don't understand that message, as in, "From next month, you can hear
    XXXX 28 days before anyone else, free, on BBC Sounds."

    Who is "anyone else"? Does that include (normal) radio? What about
    programmes that go out live, like "In Our Own Time"? What about podcasts
    streamed or downloaded by a third party podcatcher or directly?

    My suspicion is that they are trying to sell a positive message.

    They are avoiding the more accurate "Unless you use Sounds, you
    will have to wait 28 days after broadcast to listen to a
    programme podcast."

    What have they got against other podcatchers? What difference does it
    make to them? And why have they forgotten about steam radio in their
    "anyone else" remark?

    Anyone would think they aren't in the communication business.

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Sun Feb 27 09:12:08 2022
    Max Demian wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 14:55, Chris J Dixon wrote:

    My suspicion is that they are trying to sell a positive message.

    They are avoiding the more accurate "Unless you use Sounds, you
    will have to wait 28 days after broadcast to listen to a
    programme podcast."

    What have they got against other podcatchers? What difference does it
    make to them? And why have they forgotten about steam radio in their
    "anyone else" remark?

    Anyone would think they aren't in the communication business.

    I'm not sure, and have no personal experience of the other
    options, but my guess is that it is all about control. They want
    to know who is listening and when, and there may also be the
    issue of retention period.

    In a previous tightening up, the very useful Radio Downloader,
    which could grab broadcast programmes, was required to cease that
    aspect of their service.

    Chris
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  • From Nick Odell@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 15:16:29 2022
    On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 09:12:08 +0000, Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk>
    wrote:

    Max Demian wrote:

    On 26/02/2022 14:55, Chris J Dixon wrote:

    My suspicion is that they are trying to sell a positive message.

    They are avoiding the more accurate "Unless you use Sounds, you
    will have to wait 28 days after broadcast to listen to a
    programme podcast."

    What have they got against other podcatchers? What difference does it
    make to them? And why have they forgotten about steam radio in their >>"anyone else" remark?

    Anyone would think they aren't in the communication business.

    I'm not sure, and have no personal experience of the other
    options, but my guess is that it is all about control. They want
    to know who is listening and when, and there may also be the
    issue of retention period.

    In a previous tightening up, the very useful Radio Downloader,
    which could grab broadcast programmes, was required to cease that
    aspect of their service.

    Yesterday, the very useful trg_vcynlre[1] refused to get most of the
    radio programmes I asked it for. I wonder if this is just a glitch or
    a result of the changes mentioned in this thread?

    Nick
    [1]Name ROTed for obvious reasons

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to Max Demian on Thu Mar 3 16:42:50 2022
    On 26/02/2022 12:20, Max Demian wrote:
    On 26/02/2022 09:46, Chris J Dixon wrote:

    Many recent BBC Podcasts have begun with a message that things
    are changing. AIUI, unless I use Sounds, the implication is that
    I will have to wait 28 days to hear them. I'm not even sure that
    RSS feeds (which I rely on to queue them on my desktop PC) will
    even still be available.

    I don't understand that message, as in, "From next month, you can hear
    XXXX 28 days before anyone else, free, on BBC Sounds."

    Who is "anyone else"? Does that include (normal) radio? What about
    programmes that go out live, like "In Our Own Time"? What about podcasts streamed or downloaded by a third party podcatcher or directly?

    This article tries to explain the change: https://radiotoday.co.uk/2022/02/bbc-makes-some-radio-programmes-exclusive-to-sounds-for-28-days/

    "Mary Hough, Head of Content Discovery for BBC Sounds says it gives
    licence fee payers even more value so people can discover more content."

    ...followed by some incomprehensible media/management speak.

    What do "licence fee payers" have to do with anything? You don't need a
    licence to listen to radio, however you do it. Why do they especially
    want us to use their "Sounds" app? And why have they apparently
    forgotten about all the people who listen to good old-fashioned steam radio?

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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 20:54:08 2022
    On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 16:42:50, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
    wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
    []
    This article tries to explain the change: >https://radiotoday.co.uk/2022/02/bbc-makes-some-radio-programmes-exclusi >ve-to-sounds-for-28-days/

    "Mary Hough, Head of Content Discovery for BBC Sounds says it gives

    (Oh dear. May have genuine good intent, but sounds like a title made up
    by one of the many comedy prog.s that mocks modern BBC management.)

    licence fee payers even more value so people can discover more
    content."

    ...followed by some incomprehensible media/management speak.

    What do "licence fee payers" have to do with anything? You don't need a >licence to listen to radio, however you do it. Why do they especially
    want us to use their "Sounds" app? And why have they apparently
    forgotten about all the people who listen to good old-fashioned steam
    radio?

    I'm sure they haven't _forgotten_ about them - they just wish they'd go
    away.
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  • From J. P. Gilliver (John)@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Thu Mar 3 23:01:44 2022
    On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 at 22:24:48, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses
    usually FOLLOW):
    On 03/03/2022 20:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    What do "licence fee payers" have to do with anything? You don't need a
    licence to listen to radio, however you do it.

    I think it is presumed that most who listen to the radio also watch TV
    so are licence payers.

    It wasn't me that wrote that, but Max Demian. I _responded_ to that
    question, but your Thunderbird seems to have got the attributions wrong.
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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 3 22:24:48 2022
    On 03/03/2022 20:54, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
    What do "licence fee payers" have to do with anything? You don't need a licence to listen to radio, however you do it.

    I think it is presumed that most who listen to the radio also watch TV
    so are licence payers.

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