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  • Bilsdale. 1000ft replacement mast approved

    From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Sat Feb 19 15:08:54 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 19 15:33:21 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095


    But its going to take two years to build. Even Emley tower didn't take
    that long!! This one is going to be a lattice mast - and the temp they
    built at Emley whilst the tower aerials were change didn't even take six months!

    I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
    mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Sat Feb 19 16:43:26 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
    On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095


    But its going to take two years to build.

    Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

    Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
    lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
    aerials were change didn't even take six months!

    Emley Tower took about 15 months

    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

    I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
    'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

    I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
    arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.

    Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
    need to worry about any newts etc

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  • From Another John@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 19 17:07:07 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <j7cl1fFjim0U1@mid.individual.net>,
    Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    But its going to take two years to build.

    Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

    Shirley, that is standard time-planning in any construction job?

    "They want it inside 18 months."

    "Yeah well - it's going to take two years. Tell 'em it'll take 18
    months, plus a bit for unforeseens -- say 19 months, tops."

    John

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 19 18:14:42 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On Sat 19/02/2022 16:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
    On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095


    But its going to take two years to build.

    Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

    Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
    lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
    aerials were change didn't even take six months!

    Emley Tower took about 15 months

    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

    I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
    'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

    I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.

    Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
    need to worry about any newts etc


    Peterborough was a complete rebuild, tower, buildings, access, security
    etc etc.

    The 'two years' was where I saw the report (thank you BBC!) - perhaps
    poor journalistic maths?

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Feb 19 19:11:02 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In article <sureou$5j7$1@dont-email.me>,
    Jeff Layman <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

    Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
    protected spot in the entire country"?

    Reminds me of the 1970s' public meeting into a tv relay for one of the Yorkshire Dales. Elderly resident "Bugger the Moor, let's have the telly!"

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Feb 19 19:00:46 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

    Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
    protected spot in the entire country"?

    --

    Jeff

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Woody on Sat Feb 19 19:39:41 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19/02/2022 18:14, Woody wrote:
    On Sat 19/02/2022 16:43, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
    On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095


    But its going to take two years to build.

    Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

    Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
    lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower
    aerials were change didn't even take six months!

    Emley Tower took about 15 months

    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

    I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the
    'temp' mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

    I don't think it's man enough, very different design  and support
    arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.

    Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they
    didn't need to worry about any newts etc


    Peterborough was a complete rebuild, tower, buildings, access,
    security etc etc.

    The 'two years' was where I saw the report (thank you BBC!) - perhaps
    poor journalistic maths?

    The BBC report I quoted, or another one ?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Feb 19 21:10:24 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
    protected spot in the entire country"?

    Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Sat Feb 19 21:35:59 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In message <surmc0$4tv$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
    On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
    protected spot in the entire country"?

    Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

    It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
    planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
    said.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From Jeff Layman@21:1/5 to John Hall on Sat Feb 19 21:45:38 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19/02/2022 21:35, John Hall wrote:
    In message <surmc0$4tv$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
    On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
    protected spot in the entire country"?

    Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?

    It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
    planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually said.

    But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?

    --

    Jeff

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Jeff Layman on Sat Feb 19 21:46:54 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19/02/2022 21:45, Jeff Layman wrote:
    But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?

    I suspect it is not referring to specifically Bilsdale, more likely the
    whole North Yorkshire Moors.

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  • From John Hall@21:1/5 to jmlayman@invalid.invalid on Sun Feb 20 08:58:01 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    In message <suroe3$im3$1@dont-email.me>, Jeff Layman
    <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> writes
    On 19/02/2022 21:35, John Hall wrote:
    In message <surmc0$4tv$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> writes
    On 19/02/2022 19:00, Jeff Layman wrote:
    Anyone know why the site is "...probably the most sensitive and
    protected spot in the entire country"?

    Usual in accuracy of hacks - did they mean "entire county"?
    It's given as a direct quote from "North York Moors National Park
    planning director Chris France", so one would hope it's what he actually
    said.

    But why? What's so special about Bilsdale?


    Given his job, perhaps he's biassed.
    --
    John Hall
    "Home is heaven and orgies are vile,
    But you *need* an orgy, once in a while."
    Ogden Nash (1902-1971)

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sun Feb 20 12:09:56 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    So I do hope designers were watching the weather over the last few days.
    If they are just replacing it how come they need planning permission?

    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j7cfg6FighmU1@mid.individual.net...
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Woody on Sun Feb 20 12:11:29 2022
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    There always people wanting to have an aerial site for their services
    though, I'd imagine it probably already pre booked.
    Brian

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    "Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:sur2k2$am9$1@dont-email.me...
    On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095


    But its going to take two years to build. Even Emley tower didn't take
    that long!! This one is going to be a lattice mast - and the temp they
    built at Emley whilst the tower aerials were change didn't even take six months!

    I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
    mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sun Feb 20 12:13:14 2022
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    So have they given up on the tubular guyed masts now? I mean, surely with modern materials they could be built more robustly.
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j7cl1fFjim0U1@mid.individual.net...
    On 19/02/2022 15:33, Woody wrote:
    On Sat 19/02/2022 15:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095


    But its going to take two years to build.

    Since when has, 'up to 19 months' been two years ?

    Even Emley tower didn't take that long!! This one is going to be a
    lattice mast - and the temp they built at Emley whilst the tower aerials
    were change didn't even take six months!

    Emley Tower took about 15 months

    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=336&pageid=126

    I said at the start that I wondered if they would re-purpose the 'temp'
    mast at Emley and use it at Bilsdale Major?

    I don't think it's man enough, very different design and support
    arrangements if you compare the planning drawings for both.

    Peterborough replacement was an 18 month project, and there they didn't
    need to worry about any newts etc


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  • From Indy Jess John@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 12:46:50 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 20/02/2022 12:09, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

    If they are just replacing it how come they need planning permission?

    Like for like replacements don't need planning permission, but anything
    that isn't an exact replica does.

    Jim

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Indy Jess John on Sun Feb 20 13:25:16 2022
    On 20/02/2022 12:46, Indy Jess John wrote:
    Like for like replacements don't need planning permission, but anything
    that isn't an exact replica does.

    I would think it is easier if an identical replacement but changes in construction etc that is not likely to be the case. They might also
    need permission for some temporary changes during construction even if
    only a car park for construction vehicles.

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 20 16:28:56 2022
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 20/02/2022 12:13, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    So have they given up on the tubular guyed masts now? I mean, surely with modern materials they could be built more robustly.
    I think they are considered inherently too unstable today. About half a
    dozen in Europe have collapsed or been fatally damaged over the last few decades,

    After the Hoogersmilde fire and collapse in The Netherlands about 10
    years ago, apparently the Dutch have banned to use of any 'active'
    equipment at height in the remaining tubular masts.

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  • From Ulrich Onken@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Sat Jan 13 15:57:18 2024
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 19.02.2022 16:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

    Radio services are/were going to be moved to the new Bilsdale tower next Tuesday 16th, with local services (BBC Tees) on 95.0 MHz. The temporary transmitters at Eston Nab (95.0 MHz) and Darlington (104.0 MHz) will be
    closed.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune

    These changes appear to be delayed, maybe due to bad weather: "***This
    work has been postponed until further notice***"

    Regards,
    Uli

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Ulrich Onken on Sat Jan 13 15:40:38 2024
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 13/01/2024 14:57, Ulrich Onken wrote:
    On 19.02.2022 16:08, Mark Carver wrote:
    Planning permission granted for the 1000 ft replacement mast

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-60445095

    Radio services are/were going to be moved to the new Bilsdale tower next Tuesday 16th, with local services (BBC Tees) on 95.0 MHz. The temporary transmitters at Eston Nab (95.0 MHz) and Darlington (104.0 MHz) will be closed.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune

    These changes appear to be delayed, maybe due to bad weather:

    The antennas and feeders will already be in place if the switch on was
    to be this Tuesday. Therefore I doubt the hold up is weather related

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  • From Ulrich Onken@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Mon Jan 22 16:13:15 2024
    XPost: uk.tech.digital-tv

    On 13.01.2024 16:40, Mark Carver wrote:
    On 13/01/2024 14:57, Ulrich Onken wrote:

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/reception/work-warning/news/bilsdale-radio-retune

    These changes appear to be delayed, maybe due to bad weather:

    The antennas and feeders will already be in place if the switch on was
    to be this Tuesday. Therefore I doubt the hold up is weather related

    For whatever reason, the delay is just one week, and the same link as
    above indicates that the switch is going to happen tomorrow.

    Since I am updating the database at fmlist.org: Does anyone know which
    of the two DTV panels planned at 300 m and 275 m are used for the PSB
    and COM multiplexes? I am just guessing that the PSB services (100 kW)
    come from the lower panels and COM (50 kW) from the upper ones. There
    are pictures of the two DTV antenna sections at https://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=744&pageid=4366#

    Regards,
    Uli

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