I thought BBC One Scotland always had its own continuity. However,Someone overslept possibly, or the play-out suite at Pacific Quay was undergoing maintenance, and they simply 'jacked' vanilla BBC 1 network
this morning before the start of Sophie Raworth we seemed to get
'network' continuity. Are the there still periods when there is no
Scotland continuity? This used to happen on Sunday evenings IIRC
(also BBC Scotland used to become Radio 4 from Sunday afternoon
onwards).
On 06/02/2022 12:25, Scott wrote:
I thought BBC One Scotland always had its own continuity. However,Someone overslept possibly, or the play-out suite at Pacific Quay was >undergoing maintenance, and they simply 'jacked' vanilla BBC 1 network
this morning before the start of Sophie Raworth we seemed to get
'network' continuity. Are the there still periods when there is no
Scotland continuity? This used to happen on Sunday evenings IIRC
(also BBC Scotland used to become Radio 4 from Sunday afternoon
onwards).
to Tx instead.
(also BBC Scotland used to become Radio 4 from Sunday afternoon
onwards).
On 06/02/2022 14:37, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:41:15 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 12:25, Scott wrote:
I thought BBC One Scotland always had its own continuity. However,Someone overslept possibly, or the play-out suite at Pacific Quay was
this morning before the start of Sophie Raworth we seemed to get
'network' continuity. Are the there still periods when there is no
Scotland continuity? This used to happen on Sunday evenings IIRC
(also BBC Scotland used to become Radio 4 from Sunday afternoon
onwards).
undergoing maintenance, and they simply 'jacked' vanilla BBC 1 network
to Tx instead.
I assumed it was financially driven, but maybe I have become a cynic!
i can't really think why the people of scotland need a different voice
over person to introduce exactly the same show as someone else is
introducing on exactly the same channel in another part of the country.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:41:15 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 12:25, Scott wrote:
I thought BBC One Scotland always had its own continuity. However,Someone overslept possibly, or the play-out suite at Pacific Quay was
this morning before the start of Sophie Raworth we seemed to get
'network' continuity. Are the there still periods when there is no
Scotland continuity? This used to happen on Sunday evenings IIRC
(also BBC Scotland used to become Radio 4 from Sunday afternoon
onwards).
undergoing maintenance, and they simply 'jacked' vanilla BBC 1 network
to Tx instead.
I assumed it was financially driven, but maybe I have become a cynic!
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:41:15 +0000, Mark CarverWell it might be. To be honest having pres suites in Cardiff, Glasgow,
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 12:25, Scott wrote:I assumed it was financially driven, but maybe I have become a cynic!
I thought BBC One Scotland always had its own continuity. However,Someone overslept possibly, or the play-out suite at Pacific Quay was
this morning before the start of Sophie Raworth we seemed to get
'network' continuity. Are the there still periods when there is no
Scotland continuity? This used to happen on Sunday evenings IIRC
(also BBC Scotland used to become Radio 4 from Sunday afternoon
onwards).
undergoing maintenance, and they simply 'jacked' vanilla BBC 1 network
to Tx instead.
On 06/02/2022 14:37, Scott wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 12:41:15 +0000, Mark CarverWell it might be. To be honest having pres suites in Cardiff, Glasgow,
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/02/2022 12:25, Scott wrote:I assumed it was financially driven, but maybe I have become a cynic!
I thought BBC One Scotland always had its own continuity. However,Someone overslept possibly, or the play-out suite at Pacific Quay was
this morning before the start of Sophie Raworth we seemed to get
'network' continuity. Are the there still periods when there is no
Scotland continuity? This used to happen on Sunday evenings IIRC
(also BBC Scotland used to become Radio 4 from Sunday afternoon
onwards).
undergoing maintenance, and they simply 'jacked' vanilla BBC 1 network
to Tx instead.
and Belfast seems a bit of an extravagance these days, particularly as
all the tx chains go via 'SE England' to be mux and coded anyway.
Nothing technological to stop all three nations continuity to be
provided out of Red Bee in London W12 and Salford, alongside the
existing network pres.
On 06/02/2022 17:08, Mark Carver wrote:
Well it might be. To be honest having pres suites in Cardiff, Glasgow,
and Belfast seems a bit of an extravagance these days, particularly as
all the tx chains go via 'SE England' to be mux and coded anyway.
Nothing technological to stop all three nations continuity to be
provided out of Red Bee in London W12 and Salford, alongside the
existing network pres.
Scotland quite often has different programmes, it is not just the
regional news at 18:30h.
Well it might be. To be honest having pres suites in Cardiff, Glasgow,
and Belfast seems a bit of an extravagance these days, particularly as
all the tx chains go via 'SE England' to be mux and coded anyway.
Nothing technological to stop all three nations continuity to be
provided out of Red Bee in London W12 and Salford, alongside the
existing network pres.
On 06/02/2022 18:38, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes, but they don't have to be announced and played out from Scotland
But unless you use synthesised voice or record everything well in
advance, you still need people to do the presentation, read news etc.
Yes, but they don't have to be announced and played out from Scotland
On 06/02/2022 18:46, MB wrote:
I don't know what you're on about. I'm not suggesting any of BBC
Scotland's programmes relocate away from Glasgow, I'm saying that the playout/pres function doesn't need to be there, it's all server ports
and virtualisation these days.
On 06/02/2022 18:51, Mark Carver wrote:
On 06/02/2022 18:46, MB wrote:
I don't know what you're on about. I'm not suggesting any of BBCIf it is so easy to move the data round, then having the continuity >announcers in the regions is probably cheaper and easier than finding
Scotland's programmes relocate away from Glasgow, I'm saying that the
playout/pres function doesn't need to be there, it's all server ports
and virtualisation these days.
the correct accent in London or persuading the announcer to relocate to >almost the most expensive city in the world. All that's needed is a way
to switch the feeds remotely.
I suspect a lot of it is now done in Manchester anyway, as most the BBC
seems to be in Media City there, and they have sold off the BBC TV
centre at White City.
I don't know what you're on about. I'm not suggesting any of BBC
Scotland's programmes relocate away from Glasgow, I'm saying that the playout/pres function doesn't need to be there, it's all server ports
and virtualisation these days.
The pres depts in the BBC nations have no hand in producing the programmes
Works both ways, remember the fuss when Wilfred Pickles read the news!
When I visited the City of Salford, I was warned in no uncertain terms
not to refer to it as 'Manchester' :-)
When I visited the City of Salford, I was warned in no uncertain terms
not to refer to it as 'Manchester' :-)
On 06/02/2022 20:31, Scott wrote:
When I visited the City of Salford, I was warned in no uncertain terms
not to refer to it as 'Manchester' :-)
In 1996 I walked from Salford to Manchester.It was a bit cold so I
bought a jumper. I still have it. It's yellow. Interesting eh?
Bill
When I visited the City of Salford, I was warned in no uncertain terms
not to refer to it as 'Manchester'
No because I'm not 100
Bill
On 06/02/2022 20:56, williamwright wrote:
No because I'm not 100
Bill
You can remember that the Norman Invasion was 1066 without being a
thousand years old.
On 06/02/2022 18:51, Mark Carver wrote:
I don't know what you're on about. I'm not suggesting any of BBC
Scotland's programmes relocate away from Glasgow, I'm saying that the
playout/pres function doesn't need to be there, it's all server ports
and virtualisation these days.
The pres depts in the BBC nations have no hand in producing the
programmes
I don't know what you are on about either, I don't think I made any
comment about moving programme production.
I have heard comments many time in the past that continuity announcers
do other things in between announcements.
Just imagining the fuss from the politicians when one of the London >announcers makes a mistake with a Scottish or Gaelic name / word.
Why not move network continuity to one of the regions where labour is >cheaper?
On 06/02/2022 21:17, MB wrote:
On 06/02/2022 20:56, williamwright wrote:You said, "remember the fuss". That implies being there at the time.
No because I'm not 100You can remember that the Norman Invasion was 1066 without being a >>thousand years old.
Bill
For the Norman Invasion it would be, "As you might know, there was a
fuss when the Normans invaded."
Bill
...remember the fuss when Wilfred Pickles read the news!
BBC Alba would be happy to assist, I'm sure.A bit like this in Nov 1978 with Tony Blackburn on Radio 3 ?
I used to think that the presenters on the radio stations should all
be swapped round. R3 to R1 breakfast show. R1Xtra to R3.
What about the 'thousands of letters' the BBC purported to have received
when Sheila Borrett read the news. ...ah yes, I remember it well!
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 21:13:33, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses >usually follow points raised):BBC Alba would be happy to assist, I'm sure.
[]
Just imagining the fuss from the politicians when one of the London >>announcers makes a mistake with a Scottish or Gaelic name / word.Or - at least on April 1 - have the Scottish continuity from Cardiff,
Why not move network continuity to one of the regions where labour is >>cheaper?
the English from Glasgow, ... [with the strongest accents you can find
of course] (-:
On 07/02/2022 11:49, Scott wrote:
BBC Alba would be happy to assist, I'm sure.A bit like this in Nov 1978 with Tony Blackburn on Radio 3 ?
I used to think that the presenters on the radio stations should all
be swapped round. R3 to R1 breakfast show. R1Xtra to R3.
https://soundcloud.com/radiojottings/bbc-radio-wavelength-changes-1978
On Mon, 7 Feb 2022 12:01:03 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/02/2022 11:49, Scott wrote:
BBC Alba would be happy to assist, I'm sure.A bit like this in Nov 1978 with Tony Blackburn on Radio 3 ?
I used to think that the presenters on the radio stations should all
be swapped round. R3 to R1 breakfast show. R1Xtra to R3.
https://soundcloud.com/radiojottings/bbc-radio-wavelength-changes-1978
Yes, I hadn't heard that. I am old enough to remember Emperor Rosko.
For 1 April I wanted him on R3 - 'Hey, this is the Emperor Rosko and
this is chaai-kofski one eight one two. My my my. Have mercy, Mr
Percy'.
Yes, I hadn't heard that. I am old enough to remember Emperor Rosko.
For 1 April I wanted him on R3 - 'Hey, this is the Emperor Rosko and
this is chaai-kofski one eight one two. My my my. Have mercy, Mr
Percy'.
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 21:13:33, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
[]
Just imagining the fuss from the politicians when one of the London >announcers makes a mistake with a Scottish or Gaelic name / word.
Why not move network continuity to one of the regions where labour is >cheaper?
Or - at least on April 1 - have the Scottish continuity from Cardiff,
the English from Glasgow, ... [with the strongest accents you can find
of course] (-:
On Mon, 07 Feb 2022 12:50:55 +0000, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> >wrote:
Yes, I hadn't heard that. I am old enough to remember Emperor Rosko.
For 1 April I wanted him on R3 - 'Hey, this is the Emperor Rosko and
this is chaai-kofski one eight one two. My my my. Have mercy, Mr
Percy'.
Followed by John Dunn saying "Here is the news, in English.", for which
he got a reprimand.
That sounds like the blunder they made with the launching of BBC RadioIn the Bristol area (or aerial as we say down there) ITV (TWW) on ch10
Bristol. The announcer had a Welsh accent (Well, Bristol is somewere
over to the West, near Wales, isn't it?) For historical reasons,
the Welsh have been hated in Bristol for several generations past, so
you can imagine how well that went down.
came from St Hilary in Wales. It had Welsh lanuage programmes and was
known as TeleWelli!
In the Bristol area (or aerial as we say down there) ITV (TWW) on ch10
came from St Hilary in Wales. It had Welsh lanuage programmes and was
known as TeleWelli!
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On Sun, 6 Feb 2022 at 21:13:33, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote (my
responses usually follow points raised):
[]
Just imagining the fuss from the politicians when one of the
London announcers makes a mistake with a Scottish or Gaelic name
/ word.
Why not move network continuity to one of the regions where
labour is cheaper?
Or - at least on April 1 - have the Scottish continuity from
Cardiff, the English from Glasgow, ... [with the strongest accents
you can find of course] (-:
That sounds like the blunder they made with the launching of BBC Radio Bristol. The announcer had a Welsh accent (Well, Bristol is somewere
over to the West, near Wales, isn't it?) For historical reasons,
the Welsh have been hated in Bristol for several generations past, so
you can imagine how well that went down.
Nothing technological to stop all three nations continuity to beAnd I assume that specifying that the presenter must be Scottish would
provided out of Red Bee in London W12 and Salford, alongside the
existing network pres.
amount to discrimination in terms of employment law?.
On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 at 05:51:03, Owain Lastname
<spuorgelgoog@gowanhill.com> wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
On Sunday, 6 February 2022 at 17:36:59 UTC, Scott wrote:
Nothing technological to stop all three nations continuity to beAnd I assume that specifying that the presenter must be Scottish would
provided out of Red Bee in London W12 and Salford, alongside the
existing network pres.
amount to discrimination in terms of employment law?.
"have a Scottish accent" would be a genuine occupational requirement
which is an exemption from the Equality Act.
Any requirement for nationality or birthplace probably would be >discrimination.
Owain
Hmm. I suspect "_have_ a Scottish accent" might be discriminatory; "can
_do_ a Scottish accent" might not be, though I think it would be hard to _prove_ it was a requirement.
On Sunday, 6 February 2022 at 17:36:59 UTC, Scott wrote:
Nothing technological to stop all three nations continuity to beAnd I assume that specifying that the presenter must be Scottish would
provided out of Red Bee in London W12 and Salford, alongside the
existing network pres.
amount to discrimination in terms of employment law?.
"have a Scottish accent" would be a genuine occupational requirement
which is an exemption from the Equality Act.
Any requirement for nationality or birthplace probably would be discrimination.
Owain
"have a Scottish accent" would be a genuine occupational requirement which is an exemption from the Equality Act.
Any requirement for nationality or birthplace probably would be discrimination.
Owain
On 12/02/2022 13:51, Owain Lastname wrote:
"have a Scottish accent" would be a genuine occupational requirement
which is an exemption from the Equality Act.
Any requirement for nationality or birthplace probably would be discrimination.
Owain
Should it perhaps not be worded 'able to speak with a Scottish accent' ?
'Having' a Scottish accent could be considered a way around specifying
the person must be Scottish?
Can you imagine the fuss there would be if the BBC specified that
national newsreaders and presenters should only have a 'BBC English'
accent?
On 13/02/2022 13:39, MB wrote:
Though it might help taught people not to put microphones under coats, jumpers etc!
Should read
Though it might help if people were taught not to put microphonesunder coats, jumpers etc!
Though it might help taught people not to put microphones under coats, jumpers etc!
Though it might help if people were taught not to put microphonesunder coats, jumpers etc!
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