I have a very old analogue, but radio controlled, alarm clock. It hasI had a radio controlled watch that kept stopping at xx:35. It happened
worked fine for years but now periodically comes to a stop. The
oddity is that it only stops at 8.25. It does not stop every time;
sometimes it runs for days at a time. 8.25 does not coincide with the setting of the alarm and there is no obvious damage to the face that
could be causing a collision. I assume the issue is local and not at Anthorn?
On 06/01/2022 12:46, Scott wrote:
I have a very old analogue, but radio controlled, alarm clock. It hasI had a radio controlled watch that kept stopping at xx:35. It happened
worked fine for years but now periodically comes to a stop. The
oddity is that it only stops at 8.25. It does not stop every time;
sometimes it runs for days at a time. 8.25 does not coincide with the
setting of the alarm and there is no obvious damage to the face that
could be causing a collision. I assume the issue is local and not at
Anthorn?
a few times over the course of a week, before completely giving up (at
7:35 one evening).
It was a 12 year old Eurochron. I just assumed the mechanism was worn out.
I doubt it's a transmission problem, it only takes a sniff of Anthorn to >correct itself every few hours to stay on track. If there's no signal,
it just carries on on its internal crystal.
After 2 weeks well out of Frankfurt's range it was only a couple of
seconds out when I returned home.
On 06/01/2022 12:46, Scott wrote:
I have a very old analogue, but radio controlled, alarm clock. It hasI had a radio controlled watch that kept stopping at xx:35. It happened
worked fine for years but now periodically comes to a stop. The
oddity is that it only stops at 8.25. It does not stop every time;
sometimes it runs for days at a time. 8.25 does not coincide with the
setting of the alarm and there is no obvious damage to the face that
could be causing a collision. I assume the issue is local and not at
Anthorn?
a few times over the course of a week, before completely giving up (at
7:35 one evening).
It was a 12 year old Eurochron. I just assumed the mechanism was worn out.
I doubt it's a transmission problem, it only takes a sniff of Anthorn to >correct itself every few hours to stay on track. If there's no signal,
it just carries on on its internal crystal.
After 2 weeks well out of Frankfurt's range it was only a couple of
seconds out when I returned home.
My newer clock (Lexon Flip) is radio controlled with an offset for theWinter/Summer time changeover is currently the same here and in Germany,
UK. Does this mean it receives its time from Frankfurt and, if so,
how will it cope with summer and winter time when I don't think the
start of winter time coincides? Can you get dual standard clocks?
On 06/01/2022 13:40, Scott wrote:
so that's not an issue
My newer clock (Lexon Flip) is radio controlled with an offset for the
UK. Does this mean it receives its time from Frankfurt and, if so,
how will it cope with summer and winter time when I don't think the
start of winter time coincides? Can you get dual standard clocks? >Winter/Summer time changeover is currently the same here and in Germany,
(though that might change >https://www.timetemperature.com/europe/eu-ends-summer-time.shtml )
My (analogue face) Frankfurt watch allowed me to set any 'hour' offset,
so was usable in most time-zones when travelling.
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:22:35 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 13:40, Scott wrote:Thanks. For some reason I thought one of the dates coincided and one
My newer clock (Lexon Flip) is radio controlled with an offset for theWinter/Summer time changeover is currently the same here and in Germany,
UK. Does this mean it receives its time from Frankfurt and, if so,
how will it cope with summer and winter time when I don't think the
start of winter time coincides? Can you get dual standard clocks?
so that's not an issue
(though that might change
https://www.timetemperature.com/europe/eu-ends-summer-time.shtml )
My (analogue face) Frankfurt watch allowed me to set any 'hour' offset,
so was usable in most time-zones when travelling.
did not.
However, on the wider point, the Brexiteers will be delighted thatSee above !
foreigners will not be telling us how to set our clocks. Actually, I
am quite pleased myself as I like the extra hour in the summer.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
I have a very old analogue, but radio controlled, alarm clock. It has
worked fine for years but now periodically comes to a stop. The
oddity is that it only stops at 8.25. It does not stop every time;
sometimes it runs for days at a time. 8.25 does not coincide with the
setting of the alarm and there is no obvious damage to the face that
could be causing a collision. I assume the issue is local and not at
Anthorn?
Dirt in the gears?
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
I have a very old analogue, but radio controlled, alarm clock. It has
worked fine for years but now periodically comes to a stop. The
oddity is that it only stops at 8.25. It does not stop every time;
sometimes it runs for days at a time. 8.25 does not coincide with the
setting of the alarm and there is no obvious damage to the face that
could be causing a collision. I assume the issue is local and not at
Anthorn?
Dirt in the gears?
I have a very old analogue, but radio controlled, alarm clock. It has
worked fine for years but now periodically comes to a stop. The
oddity is that it only stops at 8.25. It does not stop every time;
sometimes it runs for days at a time. 8.25 does not coincide with the setting of the alarm and there is no obvious damage to the face that
could be causing a collision. I assume the issue is local and not at Anthorn?
I have a very old analogue, but radio controlled, alarm clock.
On 06/01/2022 16:06, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 14:22:35 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 13:40, Scott wrote:Thanks. For some reason I thought one of the dates coincided and one
My newer clock (Lexon Flip) is radio controlled with an offset for the >>>> UK. Does this mean it receives its time from Frankfurt and, if so,Winter/Summer time changeover is currently the same here and in Germany, >>> so that's not an issue
how will it cope with summer and winter time when I don't think the
start of winter time coincides? Can you get dual standard clocks?
(though that might change
https://www.timetemperature.com/europe/eu-ends-summer-time.shtml )
My (analogue face) Frankfurt watch allowed me to set any 'hour' offset,
so was usable in most time-zones when travelling.
did not.
It used to be until about 25 yaers ago, that Central Europe moved back
to Winter Time on the last Sunday of September,
while we were the last Sunday in October, the EU actually adopted our
times, and so the whole of the EU adopted October.
However, on the wider point, the Brexiteers will be delighted thatSee above !
foreigners will not be telling us how to set our clocks. Actually, I
am quite pleased myself as I like the extra hour in the summer.
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't
think it would reach Scotland reliably.
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't
think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:59:11 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:Could they build a dual standard radio control to receive and compare
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't >>>> think it would reach Scotland reliably.DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
both signals?
And back to my earlier question, your helpful link suggests that EUThe key to the problem is to make sure the clock has the ability to have
member states will be given a choice over whether to observe 'summer'
or 'winter' time all year round. How will this work with a single
time signal from Germany? Indeed, how will our own transitions be
handled? Does the time transmitter carry a lot of metadata?
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't
think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
Could they build a dual standard radio control to receive and compare
both signals?
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:59:11 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't >>>> think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
Could they build a dual standard radio control to receive and compare
both signals?
And back to my earlier question, your helpful link suggests that EU
member states will be given a choice over whether to observe 'summer'
or 'winter' time all year round. How will this work with a single
time signal from Germany? Indeed, how will our own transitions be
handled? Does the time transmitter carry a lot of metadata?
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't
think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:59:11 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't
think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
On that basis, living in Glasgow, do you think I can be confident if I
get a Frankfurt clock (DCF77) it will work reliably? How will it cope
with time change if the EU abandons summer/winter time as seems to be >proposed?
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the
clock change and we don't:-)
On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the
clock change and we don't:-)
Have the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time?
if the EU abandons summer/winter time as seems to be
proposed?
Scott wrote:
if the EU abandons summer/winter time as seems to be
proposed?
That particular can keeps getting kicked further down the road ...
My understanding is that the EU wants to abolish the change and member
states are being asked to choose between summer or winter time all
year round.
On 11/01/2022 22:13, Scott wrote:
My understanding is that the EU wants to abolish the change and member
states are being asked to choose between summer or winter time all
year round.
Not as if there is nothing more important happening in the world.
No, but they might wish to move to be an hour behind the UK.On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon theHave the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time? >>
clock change and we don't:-)
On 11/01/2022 22:13, Scott wrote:On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MB ><MB@nospam.net> wrote:
No, but they might wish to move to be an hour behind the UK.On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon theHave the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time? >>>
clock change and we don't:-)
On Dec 21st Sunrise in Galway isn't until 08:49.
Mind you France could really do with being in our timezone. I was in
Paris last November, and no daylight much before 9am. It felt grim.
On 12/01/2022 10:34, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:10:59 +0000, Mark CarverNope, they are on CET with daylight saving time in the summer. So an
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/01/2022 22:13, Scott wrote:On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MBHas France moved to permanent summer time?
<MB@nospam.net> wrote:
No, but they might wish to move to be an hour behind the UK.On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the >>>>>> clock change and we don't:-)Have the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time?
On Dec 21st Sunrise in Galway isn't until 08:49.
Mind you France could really do with being in our timezone. I was in
Paris last November, and no daylight much before 9am. It felt grim.
hour ahead of us all year round.
If you look at a map of Europe, you'd intuitively think they should
share our time-zone.
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 10:10:59 +0000, Mark CarverNope, they are on CET with daylight saving time in the summer. So an
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 11/01/2022 22:13, Scott wrote:On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MBHas France moved to permanent summer time?
<MB@nospam.net> wrote:
No, but they might wish to move to be an hour behind the UK.On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the >>>>> clock change and we don't:-)Have the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time? >>>>
On Dec 21st Sunrise in Galway isn't until 08:49.
Mind you France could really do with being in our timezone. I was in
Paris last November, and no daylight much before 9am. It felt grim.
On 12/01/2022 10:10, Mark Carver wrote:
No, but they might wish to move to be an hour behind the UK.
On Dec 21st Sunrise in Galway isn't until 08:49.
Mind you France could really do with being in our timezone. I was in
Paris last November, and no daylight much before 9am. It felt grim.
Later than that here!
Portugal of course stays on the same time zone as the UK all year
around, must really p### off the Eurocrats who I am sure would love the
whole EU to be on Berlin Time!
No, but they might wish to move to be an hour behind the UK.
On Dec 21st Sunrise in Galway isn't until 08:49.
Mind you France could really do with being in our timezone. I was in
Paris last November, and no daylight much before 9am. It felt grim.
I think if you look look instead at our at times turbulent
relationship with France, then maybe not ...
On 12/01/2022 13:08, John Williamson wrote:
There is a substantial amount of discontent in France that they are on,
as the objectors call it, "Berlin Time". In Summer, in Paris, it is
light until almost 23:00, which is no fun at all if you are on an early
shift.
I would suggest that you never visit Orkney or Shetland if you think
light until 23:00h is bad.
There is a substantial amount of discontent in France that they are on,
as the objectors call it, "Berlin Time". In Summer, in Paris, it is
light until almost 23:00, which is no fun at all if you are on an early shift.
On 12/01/2022 13:08, John Williamson wrote:
There is a substantial amount of discontent in France that they are on,
as the objectors call it, "Berlin Time". In Summer, in Paris, it is
light until almost 23:00, which is no fun at all if you are on an early
shift.
I would suggest that you never visit Orkney or Shetland if you think
light until 23:00h is bad.
(I spent some time working in the North of Scotland where it was light
all night and we had no curtains in the room where we used to get some >sleep!)
On 11/01/2022 22:13, Scott wrote:On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
No, but they might wish to move to be an hour behind the UK.On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon theHave the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time? >>
clock change and we don't:-)
On Dec 21st Sunrise in Galway isn't until 08:49.
Mind you France could really do with being in our timezone. I was in
Paris last November, and no daylight much before 9am. It felt grim.
I've worked in the Nordic countries during summer. Being woken up by the morning chorus at 02:50 is quite something
On 12/01/2022 13:37, Mark Carver wrote:
I've worked in the Nordic countries during summer. Being woken up by the
morning chorus at 02:50 is quite something
Do the pubs shut at about 2.30 then?
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 17:02:38 +0000, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
On 12/01/2022 13:37, Mark Carver wrote:Ever been to Norway? You would need a second mortgage to buy a litre
I've worked in the Nordic countries during summer. Being woken up by the >>> morning chorus at 02:50 is quite something
Do the pubs shut at about 2.30 then?
of beer :-)
On 12/01/2022 17:19, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 17:02:38 +0000, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
On 12/01/2022 13:37, Mark Carver wrote:Ever been to Norway? You would need a second mortgage to buy a litre
I've worked in the Nordic countries during summer. Being woken up by the >>>> morning chorus at 02:50 is quite something
Do the pubs shut at about 2.30 then?
of beer :-)
You don't need to visit a place to know things about it.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:[]
On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:My understanding is that the EU wants to abolish the change and member
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the
clock change and we don't:-)
Have the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time?
states are being asked to choose between summer or winter time all
year round.
It also gave some credence to the idea that the body clock is actually
25 hours. Without sunset to guide me, unless I paid attention to the
clock I would gravitate towards going to bed an hour later each night.
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 22:13:19, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:[]
On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:My understanding is that the EU wants to abolish the change and member >>states are being asked to choose between summer or winter time all
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the
clock change and we don't:-)
Have the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time? >>>
year round.
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the _clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time _they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
It could even be done in smaller hops - half or quarter hours; with
modern automation, this could be automated - where there would be
advantages in doing so (not, I suspect, many situations, perhaps outside >agriculture and power generation/consumption).
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:32:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 22:13:19, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> >wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:[]
On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:My understanding is that the EU wants to abolish the change and member >>states are being asked to choose between summer or winter time all
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the >>>> clock change and we don't:-)
Have the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time? >>>
year round.
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the _clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island >groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time _they_ >work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
There was talk about this in the 'old days' to reduce overcrowding on
the London commuter network.
In article <tktvtg1mrloalkkk20gce5kbtpdv3e6ojk@4ax.com>,
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:32:27 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 at 22:13:19, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk>
wrote (my responses usually follow points raised):
On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 21:17:37 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:[]
On 11/01/2022 20:06, Scott wrote:My understanding is that the EU wants to abolish the change and member
It strikes me the Irish may be in for a surprise if they abandon the
clock change and we don't:-)
Have the Southern Irish suggested that they want to change to Berlin Time?
states are being asked to choose between summer or winter time all
year round.
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the _clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time _they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
There was talk about this in the 'old days' to reduce overcrowding on
the London commuter network.
and tehCivil Service did this, staggering starting/finishing times
On 12/01/2022 21:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time_they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
It is going to get rather confusing if each county, island etc has its
own time zone. Going to be very complicated for bus and railway
companies etc.
Will the Six O'Clock News be shown at 18:00 local time or GMT/BST?
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time_they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
On 12/01/2022 21:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_Â
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the
time_they_Â work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5,
work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
It is going to get rather confusing if each county, island etc has its
own time zone. Going to be very complicated for bus and railway
companies etc.
On 12/01/2022 21:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time_they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
It is going to get rather confusing if each county, island etc has its
own time zone. Going to be very complicated for bus and railway
companies etc.
Will the Six O'Clock News be shown at 18:00 local time or GMT/BST?
In article <srp33k$9rh$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/01/2022 21:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time_they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
It is going to get rather confusing if each county, island etc has its
own time zone. Going to be very complicated for bus and railway
companies etc.
Will the Six O'Clock News be shown at 18:00 local time or GMT/BST?
I learned many years ago, that Indonesia straddles 5 time zones.
On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:14:42 +0000 (GMT), charlesNepal has a 45 min offset (or is it -15 mins ?)
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <srp33k$9rh$1@dont-email.me>,This is bad enough but what about half hour time zones :-)
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/01/2022 21:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:I learned many years ago, that Indonesia straddles 5 time zones.
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_It is going to get rather confusing if each county, island etc has its
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time_they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or >>>> 6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
own time zone. Going to be very complicated for bus and railway
companies etc.
Will the Six O'Clock News be shown at 18:00 local time or GMT/BST?
On 13/01/2022 12:54, Scott wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 12:14:42 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
Nepal has a 45 min offset (or is it -15 mins ?)In article <srp33k$9rh$1@dont-email.me>,This is bad enough but what about half hour time zones :-)
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/01/2022 21:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:I learned many years ago, that Indonesia straddles 5 time zones.
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_ >>>> twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including islandIt is going to get rather confusing if each county, island etc has its >>> own time zone. Going to be very complicated for bus and railway
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time_they_ >>>> work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or >>>> 6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
companies etc.
Will the Six O'Clock News be shown at 18:00 local time or GMT/BST?
Nepal has a 45 min offset (or is it -15 mins ?)
That must cause a Nepalling problem.
On 13/01/2022 17:43, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
Nepal has a 45 min offset (or is it -15 mins ?)
That must cause a Nepalling problem.
Oh I say! A career in the music hall surely beckons!
On Thu, 13 Jan 2022 11:40:35 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 12/01/2022 21:32, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I've been saying for decades that we shouldn't mess with the_clocks_
twice a year. If individual regions - counties (including island
groupings), countries, even companies - want to change the time_they_
work, fine - in other words, instead of working 9 to 5, work 10 to 6 or
6 to 4 - just leave the clocks alone.
It is going to get rather confusing if each county, island etc has its
own time zone. Going to be very complicated for bus and railway
companies etc.
On demand, Shirley?
Will the Six O'Clock News be shown at 18:00 local time or GMT/BST?
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't
think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:59:11 +0000, Mark CarverWell Frankfurt is 50kW, Anthorn is 15kW, so only a 5dB difference.
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:I ordered a Flip alarm alarm clock and it came on one hour ahead. I
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't >>>> think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
assume it must be receiving DCF77 time. I think this vindicates your
comment about range. I managed to find the offset okay.
We had a radio controlled clock in the office (which I donated) that
caused a lot of problems. It must have been MSF time as there was no
offset.
I am surprised that German time should be better. Is it because the transmitter is more powerful, or is a more robust coding system used?
Why do we need Anthorn then?
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:59:11 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't
think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
I ordered a Flip alarm alarm clock and it came on one hour ahead. I
assume it must be receiving DCF77 time. I think this vindicates your
comment about range. I managed to find the offset okay.
We had a radio controlled clock in the office (which I donated) that
caused a lot of problems. It must have been MSF time as there was no
offset.
I am surprised that German time should be better. Is it because the transmitter is more powerful, or is a more robust coding system used?
Why do we need Anthorn then?
On 17/01/2022 16:56, Scott wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:59:11 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:I ordered a Flip alarm alarm clock and it came on one hour ahead. I
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't >>>> think it would reach Scotland reliably.
DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in
Scotland.
it on the Canary Is.
assume it must be receiving DCF77 time. I think this vindicates your comment about range. I managed to find the offset okay.
We had a radio controlled clock in the office (which I donated) that
caused a lot of problems. It must have been MSF time as there was no offset.
I am surprised that German time should be better. Is it because the transmitter is more powerful, or is a more robust coding system used?Well Frankfurt is 50kW, Anthorn is 15kW, so only a 5dB difference.
Why do we need Anthorn then?
Frankfurt does seem to be more robust, even allowing for that.
In article <j4ln52FeubjU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 17/01/2022 16:56, Scott wrote:There used to be avery good signal from Rugby, then the NPL put the service out to tender and we got Anthorn.
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 07:59:11 +0000, Mark CarverWell Frankfurt is 50kW, Anthorn is 15kW, so only a 5dB difference.
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 06/01/2022 23:03, MB wrote:I ordered a Flip alarm alarm clock and it came on one hour ahead. I
On 06/01/2022 21:36, Scott wrote:Yes, it's got a thumping great range. My watch was managing to receive >>>> it on the Canary Is.
Does this mean my clock is using the Frankfurt transmitter? I didn't >>>>>> think it would reach Scotland reliably.DCF77 has always been a more reliable signal that MSF even in
Scotland.
assume it must be receiving DCF77 time. I think this vindicates your
comment about range. I managed to find the offset okay.
We had a radio controlled clock in the office (which I donated) that
caused a lot of problems. It must have been MSF time as there was no
offset.
I am surprised that German time should be better. Is it because the
transmitter is more powerful, or is a more robust coding system used?
Why do we need Anthorn then?
Frankfurt does seem to be more robust, even allowing for that.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm
slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't
thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio controlled
clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that there was too
much electrical interference from all the IT stuff there. Could this
be plausible?
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm >slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't
thump in for him ?
Well Frankfurt is 50kW, Anthorn is 15kW, so only a 5dB difference.
Frankfurt does seem to be more robust, even allowing for that.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm >slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't >thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio controlled
clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that there was too
much electrical interference from all the IT stuff there. Could this
be plausible?
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark CarverI can’t find an immediate reference for it, but I do recall reading that
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm
slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't
thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio controlled
clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that there was too
much electrical interference from all the IT stuff there. Could this
be plausible?
the Anthorn antenna isn’t very good. Doesn’t matter how much power you
stick into it if it can’t radiate efficiently. And at 60kHz it can’t be
easy.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark CarverI canÂ’t find an immediate reference for it, but I do recall reading that
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm >>>> slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't >>>> thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio controlled
clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that there was too
much electrical interference from all the IT stuff there. Could this
be plausible?
the Anthorn antenna isnÂ’t very good. DoesnÂ’t matter how much power you
stick into it if it canÂ’t radiate efficiently. And at 60kHz it canÂ’t be
easy.
I think you are in Scotland as well? Given a choice would you buy an
MSF (Anthorn) clock or a DCF77 (Frankfurt) clock?
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark CarverI can’t find an immediate reference for it, but I do recall reading that >the Anthorn antenna isn’t very good. Doesn’t matter how much power you >stick into it if it can’t radiate efficiently. And at 60kHz it can’t be >easy.
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm >>> slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't >>> thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio controlled
clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that there was too
much electrical interference from all the IT stuff there. Could this
be plausible?
I think you are in Scotland as well? Given a choice would you buy an
MSF (Anthorn) clock or a DCF77 (Frankfurt) clock?
In article <6bnbug9e089qqs9ft4a556cnpv69606pf5@4ax.com>,
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark CarverI can’t find an immediate reference for it, but I do recall reading that
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm >> >>> slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't >> >>> thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio controlled
clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that there was too
much electrical interference from all the IT stuff there. Could this
be plausible?
the Anthorn antenna isn’t very good. Doesn’t matter how much power you
stick into it if it can’t radiate efficiently. And at 60kHz it can’t be
easy.
I think you are in Scotland as well? Given a choice would you buy an
MSF (Anthorn) clock or a DCF77 (Frankfurt) clock?
I have a clock which I bought in Lidl. It receives DCF77, but it can be set >to show any time zone. Si it shows me GMT - at the moment.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:48:59 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <6bnbug9e089qqs9ft4a556cnpv69606pf5@4ax.com>,
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark CarverI canÂ’t find an immediate reference for it, but I do recall reading that >>>> the Anthorn antenna isnÂ’t very good. DoesnÂ’t matter how much power you >>>> stick into it if it canÂ’t radiate efficiently. And at 60kHz it canÂ’t be >>>> easy.
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn doesn't. I'm >>>>>> slightly surprised that given Scott lives in Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't >>>>>> thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio controlled >>>>> clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that there was too
much electrical interference from all the IT stuff there. Could this >>>>> be plausible?
I think you are in Scotland as well? Given a choice would you buy an
MSF (Anthorn) clock or a DCF77 (Frankfurt) clock?
I have a clock which I bought in Lidl. It receives DCF77, but it can be set >> to show any time zone. Si it shows me GMT - at the moment.
What would happen if UK and Germany adopt different change dates or if Germany stopped the summer/winter time shift?
I have a clock which I bought in Lidl. It receives DCF77, but it can be set to show any time zone. Si it shows me GMT - at the moment.
To be honest, I prefer clocks
that get their time off DAB (my alarm clock) or the Internet (the display
on my Roberts Internet radio) or my iPad.
To be honest, I prefer clocks
that get their time off DAB (my alarm clock) or the Internet (the display
on my Roberts Internet radio) or my iPad.
On 18/01/2022 09:01, Mark Carver wrote:
Yes. I'm surprised there are not now lots of clocks that simply connect
to WiFi and grab an ntp server ?
They would have to be set up for the WiFi and changed if you are
moving around whereas a clock using DCF77 or DAB or RDS can just be
got out of the suitcase and switched on most of the time.
I was really thinking of kitchen wall clocks and the such like. I don't
tend to take clocks away with me on holiday etc, but each to their own.
I don’t live in Scotland but my son works in Glasgow. It sounds daft, but
it is critically important on which wall you hang your clock. Anthorn is >roughly due south of you and Frankfurt south east. Your clock needs to be >broadside on to the transmitter to get maximum signal. Frankfurt clocks are >much easier to get hold of, as Lidl and Aldi tend to stock them for obvious >reasons. My English Midlands Frankfurt clock works well. At work we have no >end of trouble getting MSF clock to lock up. To be honest, I prefer clocks >that get their time off DAB (my alarm clock) or the Internet (the display
on my Roberts Internet radio) or my iPad.
Yes. I'm surprised there are not now lots of clocks that simply connect
to WiFi and grab an ntp server ?
On 17/01/2022 21:48, charles wrote:
I have a clock which I bought in Lidl. It receives DCF77, but it can be set >> to show any time zone. Si it shows me GMT - at the moment.
I have several of the LIDL clocks, one refuses to come off Berlin Time!
I keep meaning to have a look inside for dry joins etc but can't be
bothered.
I bought a number of analogue radio-locked clocks from Argos
because the conventional clock dislay is easier to see. I have another
one from Argos which has a good bright LED display which is nice and
visible at night. It will run off battery with a dimmer display but
nice and bright when the Wallwart is plugged in.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:48:59 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <6bnbug9e089qqs9ft4a556cnpv69606pf5@4ax.com>, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark CarverI can’t find an immediate reference for it, but I do recall reading
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote: [snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn
doesn't. I'm slightly surprised that given Scott lives in
Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio
controlled clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that
there was too much electrical interference from all the IT stuff
there. Could this be plausible?
that the Anthorn antenna isn’t very good. Doesn’t matter how much
power you stick into it if it can’t radiate efficiently. And at 60kHz
it can’t be easy.
I think you are in Scotland as well? Given a choice would you buy an
MSF (Anthorn) clock or a DCF77 (Frankfurt) clock?
I have a clock which I bought in Lidl. It receives DCF77, but it can be
set to show any time zone. Si it shows me GMT - at the moment.
What would happen if UK and Germany adopt different change dates or if Germany stopped the summer/winter time shift?
On 18/01/2022 09:43, Mark Carver wrote:A bit like the ones built into mobile phones ?
I was really thinking of kitchen wall clocks and the such like. I don't
tend to take clocks away with me on holiday etc, but each to their own.
I was thinking of alarm clocks.
I like to have one with me when staying away from home. Something that
will work independent of mains power and easy to mute when the alarm
sounds.
In article <n9qbug90m1j9fon5cj7lhdqee0duq1ss8s@4ax.com>, Scott ><newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:48:59 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:
In article <6bnbug9e089qqs9ft4a556cnpv69606pf5@4ax.com>, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 20:29:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 19:14:51 +0000, Mark CarverI can’t find an immediate reference for it, but I do recall reading
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote: [snip]
Yes, Rugby used to thump into Hampshire very well, Anthorn
doesn't. I'm slightly surprised that given Scott lives in
Glasgow(?) Anthorn doesn't thump in for him ?
Yes, Glasgow it is. I have never had a problem with radio
controlled clocks at home. Re the office one, my theory is that
there was too much electrical interference from all the IT stuff
there. Could this be plausible?
that the Anthorn antenna isn’t very good. Doesn’t matter how much
power you stick into it if it can’t radiate efficiently. And at 60kHz
it can’t be easy.
I think you are in Scotland as well? Given a choice would you buy an
MSF (Anthorn) clock or a DCF77 (Frankfurt) clock?
I have a clock which I bought in Lidl. It receives DCF77, but it can be
set to show any time zone. Si it shows me GMT - at the moment.
What would happen if UK and Germany adopt different change dates or if
Germany stopped the summer/winter time shift?
I might have to reset the times zone,
A bit like the ones built into mobile phones ?
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Mark Carver wrote:
A bit like the ones built into mobile phones ?
Too fiddly.
Alarm clocks are smaller with a visible display and usually a button /
bar on top to cancel the alarm.
On 17/01/2022 21:48, charles wrote:
I have a clock which I bought in Lidl. It receives DCF77, but it can
be set
to show any time zone. Si it shows me GMT - at the moment.
I have several of the LIDL clocks, one refuses to come off Berlin Time!
I keep meaning to have a look inside for dry joins etc but can't be bothered. I bought a number of analogue radio-locked clocks from Argos because the conventional clock dislay is easier to see. I have another
one from Argos which has a good bright LED display which is nice and
visible at night. It will run off battery with a dimmer display but
nice and bright when the Wallwart is plugged in.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:48:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t live in Scotland but my son works in Glasgow. It sounds daft, but >> it is critically important on which wall you hang your clock. Anthorn is
roughly due south of you and Frankfurt south east. Your clock needs to be
broadside on to the transmitter to get maximum signal. Frankfurt clocks are >> much easier to get hold of, as Lidl and Aldi tend to stock them for obvious >> reasons. My English Midlands Frankfurt clock works well. At work we have no >> end of trouble getting MSF clock to lock up. To be honest, I prefer clocks >> that get their time off DAB (my alarm clock) or the Internet (the display
on my Roberts Internet radio) or my iPad.
It's not daft at all, as these clocks must be using an internal
ferrite aerial, and it can be important which way they are oriented.
An aerial of this type has a more or less cosine or figure of eight
response, which on a polar plot looks like two large circular lobes
with two sharp nulls. If the orientation of your wall just happens to
direct one of these response nulls at the transmitter, your only
solution is to hang the clock on a different wall.
Unless-
I discovered one day on taking the back off my Eurochron wall clock
(as you do) that it actually has two ferrite aerials mounted at right
angles, with only one of them connected. You have to resolder the
wires to change them over - a switch would have been neater - but this
is probably not something you'll need to do every day. If you have a
wall clock that seems to have no reception at all on a particular
wall, it might be worth investigating whether it has this feature.
I wouldn't expect to find it in a free standing clock for a shelf or
bedside table, because the exact orientation is not critical and can
easily be changed, but if it's fixed to a wall you have no choice
which way it faces so in a wall clock you would really need a way of
changing the orientation of the aerial by itself.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:54:09 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Mark Carver wrote:I would agree with that. I have just bought a Lexon Flip. You just
A bit like the ones built into mobile phones ?
Too fiddly.
Alarm clocks are smaller with a visible display and usually a button /
bar on top to cancel the alarm.
turn it upside down to cancel it (or to set it). This suits my level
of brain activity just fine first thing in the morning or last thing
at night.
On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:48:36 -0000 (UTC), Tweed[]
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
I don’t live in Scotland but my son works in Glasgow. It sounds daft, but >>it is critically important on which wall you hang your clock. Anthorn is
It's not daft at all, as these clocks must be using an internal[]
ferrite aerial, and it can be important which way they are oriented.
I discovered one day on taking the back off my Eurochron wall clock[]
(as you do) that it actually has two ferrite aerials mounted at right
angles, with only one of them connected. You have to resolder the
Rod.
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
What would happen if UK and Germany adopt different change dates or if
Germany stopped the summer/winter time shift?
Your clock would be wrong for some of the time. Hopefully we will remain in >lock step, being different for a few weeks or even half the year is a real >pain.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 at 06:58:38, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote
(my responses usually follow points raised):
Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:[]
I remember when my folks were in Germany (Dad had a job with the BritishWhat would happen if UK and Germany adopt different change dates or if
Germany stopped the summer/winter time shift?
Your clock would be wrong for some of the time. Hopefully we will remain in >> lock step, being different for a few weeks or even half the year is a real >> pain.
Army there), there was a period of a few weeks each transition when they
were either on the same time as us or _two_ hours out (I forget, and it
might have been both, one at each transition). This would have been
70s/80s, I think. I don't know if they still use different dates to us.
(The dates we choose have always struck me as odd - though no date would
suit all of UK anyway. [I've always said we should leave the clocks
alone and just change when we do things - regionally, or staggered, if
we want.])
I remember when my folks were in Germany (Dad had a job with the
British Army there), there was a period of a few weeks each transition
when they were either on the same time as us or _two_ hours out (I
forget, and it might have been both, one at each transition). This
would have been 70s/80s, I think. I don't know if they still use
different dates to us. (The dates we choose have always struck me as
odd - though no date would suit all of UK anyway. [I've always said we
should leave the clocks alone and just change when we do things -
regionally, or staggered, if we want.])
On 18/01/2022 09:43, Mark Carver wrote:
I was really thinking of kitchen wall clocks and the such like. I don't
tend to take clocks away with me on holiday etc, but each to their own.
I was thinking of alarm clocks.
I like to have one with me when staying away from home. Something that
will work independent of mains power and easy to mute when the alarm
sounds.
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Mark Carver wrote:
A bit like the ones built into mobile phones ?
Too fiddly.
On Tue, 18 Jan 2022 10:54:09 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
On 18/01/2022 10:08, Mark Carver wrote:
A bit like the ones built into mobile phones ?
Too fiddly.
Really? On an iDevice: "Hey Siri; Set alarm 7 a m". Job done.
Yes. I'm surprised there are not now lots of clocks that simply connect to WiFi
and grab an ntp server ?
Andy Burns wrote:
<https://news.lenovo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/vlcsnap-2019-06-12-14h11m30s889.jpg>
That's alright except if there is a power cut.
And what about a hotel?
Andy Burns wrote:
Mobile phone.
Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
Mark Carver wrote:
Yes. I'm surprised there are not now lots of clocks that simply connect to WiFi
and grab an ntp server ?
This is what displaced both my Lidaldi clock and DAB radio.
<https://news.lenovo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/vlcsnap-2019-06-12-14h11m30s889.jpg>
Though the speaker is quite tinny, so I actually play radio/music through a >chromecast in a speaker group with external amp.
Scott wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
<https://news.lenovo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/vlcsnap-2019-06-12-14h11m30s889.jpg>
That's alright except if there is a power cut.
I did add the internal battery pack to my Pure Evoke3, but it cooked
the NiMH version, and it cooked the Li-ion replacement
And what about a hotel?
Mobile phone.
Mark Carver wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Mobile phone.
Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
I can just about squint and read 2" high numbers on the clock without fumbling >for my glasses ...
Mark Carver wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Mobile phone.
Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
I can just about squint and read 2" high numbers on the clock without fumbling for my glasses ...
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 10:01:32 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:I think there are diverging views on this one.
Andy Burns wrote:I can just about squint and read 2" high numbers on the clock without fumbling
Mobile phone.Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
for my glasses ...
The 'experts' say it is bad to look at a screen late at night, so it
must be worse to do so in the middle of the night.
I like an alarm. It makes me feel more confident :-)Well yes, and..... ?
On 19/01/2022 10:01, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Mobile phone.
Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
I can just about squint and read 2" high numbers on the clock without
fumbling for my glasses ...
When Mrs Carver accompanies me, I'm forced to put my phone face down on
the bedside table, because even a single photon of light in the hotel
room is apparently unacceptable.,
I've got the brightness of our bedside clock at home set to more or less
my threshold of vision !
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 10:09:55 +0000, Mark CarverHa. I'm the opposite to her (and you and Andy it seems). We've recently
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/01/2022 10:01, Andy Burns wrote:I'm with your Missus.
Mark Carver wrote:When Mrs Carver accompanies me, I'm forced to put my phone face down on
Andy Burns wrote:I can just about squint and read 2" high numbers on the clock without
Mobile phone.Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
fumbling for my glasses ...
the bedside table, because even a single photon of light in the hotel
room is apparently unacceptable.,
I've got the brightness of our bedside clock at home set to more or less
my threshold of vision !
On 19/01/2022 11:23, Scott wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 10:09:55 +0000, Mark CarverHa. I'm the opposite to her (and you and Andy it seems). We've recently
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/01/2022 10:01, Andy Burns wrote:I'm with your Missus.
Mark Carver wrote:When Mrs Carver accompanies me, I'm forced to put my phone face down on
Andy Burns wrote:I can just about squint and read 2" high numbers on the clock without
Mobile phone.Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
fumbling for my glasses ...
the bedside table, because even a single photon of light in the hotel
room is apparently unacceptable.,
I've got the brightness of our bedside clock at home set to more or less >>> my threshold of vision !
moved to a house in a road with no street lighting at all.
Thank god for moonlight.
When Mrs Carver accompanies me, I'm forced to put my phone face down on the bedside table, because even a single photon of light in the hotel room is apparently unacceptable.
The 'experts' say it is bad to look at a screen late at night
You wake up, look at the screen for a second, process the result, and go
back to sleep/leap out of bed/send the prostitute home
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
You wake up, look at the screen for a second, process the result, and go
back to sleep/leap out of bed/send the prostitute home
That's OK until you forget that your its wife who is sleeping with you >tonight, and shove £50 in her hand.
It's much worse when she sleepily reaches under the pillow and hands you
£20 change.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 10:09:55 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 19/01/2022 10:01, Andy Burns wrote:
Mark Carver wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Mobile phone.
Yes, exactly, why would you need anything else !?
I can just about squint and read 2" high numbers on the clock without
fumbling for my glasses ...
When Mrs Carver accompanies me, I'm forced to put my phone face down on
the bedside table, because even a single photon of light in the hotel
room is apparently unacceptable.,
I've got the brightness of our bedside clock at home set to more or less
my threshold of vision !
I'm with your Missus.
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
[...]
You wake up, look at the screen for a second, process the result, and go
back to sleep/leap out of bed/send the prostitute home
That's OK until you forget that your its wife who is sleeping with you tonight, and shove £50 in her hand.
It's much worse when she sleepily reaches under the pillow and hands you
£20 change.
with previous beside radio, I taped a piece of lighting gel over the display to get it adequately dim.
Ha. I'm the opposite to her (and you and Andy it seems). We've recently
moved to a house in a road with no street lighting at all.
Thank god for moonlight.
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