I can get the pages up ready for streaming, but it doesn't play, even with
VPN server in stateside.
Its on Freeview over here, so you are probably streaming it from here.
That is one odd channel. Its full of conspiracy theorists and possible monsters and UFOs none of which is ever proved just going over the same
old ground. Perhaps its transmitted from the Bermuda Triangle and hence
is never seen?
Brian
Some TVs cannot get Forces TV either of course. This lark where only the main transmitter sites contain all the channels can be really annoying to some people as can the tendency more and more to use spare space on the HD transmitters to add SD channels. Some HD tvs do not seem to have the
software capability to see the SD channels if broadcast this way.
Brian
On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 15:18:36 +0000, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:
Its on Freeview over here, so you are probably streaming it from here.
That is one odd channel. Its full of conspiracy theorists and possible
monsters and UFOs none of which is ever proved just going over the same
old ground. Perhaps its transmitted from the Bermuda Triangle and hence
is never seen?
Brian
Yes, just wondered why the streams don't start on Opera browser, thought
it may be a regional thing. Out of all the mush there are a couple of interesting instances.
This only leaves one option - that one of the existing muxes (likely Com muxes)
will have to be reassigned as HD, which will still leave the issue that the large majority of users that use 3-mux relays will not be served.
On Wed 05/01/2022 07:48, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Some TVs cannot get Forces TV either of course. This lark where only
the
main transmitter sites contain all the channels can be really
annoying to
some people as can the tendency more and more to use spare space on
the HD
transmitters to add SD channels. Some HD tvs do not seem to have the
software capability to see the SD channels if broadcast this way.
Brian
I would suggest a slight correction to that comment.
There are only two HD muxes, PSB3 and Com7, and Com7 is due to be
turned off this year (confirm please Mark?) I would think that these
extra channels are largely if not completely being added to Com7 which
has limited coverage: to add them to PSB3 which is on <every>
transmitter site in the country could be a nightmare operationally.
This only leaves one option - that one of the existing muxes (likely
Com muxes) will have to be reassigned as HD, which will still leave
the issue that the large majority of users that use 3-mux relays will
not be served.
Woody wrote:
This only leaves one option - that one of the existing muxes
(likely Com muxes) will have to be reassigned as HD, which will
still leave the issue that the large majority of users that use
3-mux relays will not be served.
Time to bite the bullet? Convert them all bar one to T2.
In article <j3l3hpF7g8nU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Woody wrote:
This only leaves one option - that one of the existing muxes
(likely Com muxes) will have to be reassigned as HD, which will
still leave the issue that the large majority of users that use
3-mux relays will not be served.
Time to bite the bullet? Convert them all bar one to T2.
I wish, clearly the sensible thing to do.
Bob.
On 05/01/2022 08:10, Woody wrote:
On Wed 05/01/2022 07:48, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
Some TVs cannot get Forces TV either of course. This lark where only the >>> main transmitter sites contain all the channels can be really annoying
to
some people as can the tendency more and more to use spare space on the
HD
transmitters to add SD channels. Some HD tvs do not seem to have the
software capability to see the SD channels if broadcast this way.
Brian
I would suggest a slight correction to that comment.
There are only two HD muxes, PSB3 and Com7, and Com7 is due to be turned
off this year (confirm please Mark?) I would think that these extra
channels are largely if not completely being added to Com7 which has
limited coverage: to add them to PSB3 which is on <every> transmitter
site in the country could be a nightmare operationally.
Well, yes, indeed. As far as we know COM 7 will be switched off sometime
in the next 6 months. It's only licenced to operate until June 30th, and
EE have won the auction to use the frequency band it sits in.
There's no way PSB 3 can accommodate any extra HD channels, (everything
else staying equal) The SD channels on COM 7 might be able to find homes
on the other COM muxes. However, I suspect they are on COM 7 because its cheap, so they may not be able to afford another mux.
This only leaves one option - that one of the existing muxes (likely Com
muxes) will have to be reassigned as HD, which will still leave the issue
that the large majority of users that use 3-mux relays will not be
served.
The broadcasters et al are rather painting themselves in a corner I fear !
So one of the things I suspected at the very start of Freeview was that terrestrialTV from land based transmitters days are numbered and a lot of channels will need smart tvs to view online, increasing the net congestion issue and losing a lot of stuff that Granny wants to watch on her little el chepo easy to use tv, as I doubt sat services will replace all the missing stations.
On 06/01/2022 09:21, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 08:50, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So one of the things I suspected at the very start of Freeview was that
terrestrialTV from land based transmitters days are numbered and a
lot of
channels will need smart tvs to view online, increasing the net
congestion
issue and losing a lot of stuff that Granny wants to watch on her
little el
chepo easy to use tv, as I doubt sat services will replace all the
missing
stations.
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
How does that assertion match the statistic that BBC iplayer delivered 6 Billion programmes last year, and the platform now accounts for 12% of
BBC TV viewing ?
(And iplayer certainly isn't the only streaming service)
On 06/01/2022 08:50, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So one of the things I suspected at the very start of Freeview was that
terrestrialTV from land based transmitters days are numbered and a
lot of
channels will need smart tvs to view online, increasing the net
congestion
issue and losing a lot of stuff that Granny wants to watch on her
little el
chepo easy to use tv, as I doubt sat services will replace all the
missing
stations.
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
On 06/01/2022 09:21, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 08:50, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So one of the things I suspected at the very start of Freeview was that
terrestrialTV from land based transmitters days are numbered and a
lot of
channels will need smart tvs to view online, increasing the net
congestion
issue and losing a lot of stuff that Granny wants to watch on her
little el
chepo easy to use tv, as I doubt sat services will replace all the
missing
stations.
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
How does that assertion match the statistic that BBC iplayer delivered 6 >Billion programmes last year, and the platform now accounts for 12% of
BBC TV viewing ?
(And iplayer certainly isn't the only streaming service)
On 06/01/2022 09:29, Mark Carver wrote:
On 06/01/2022 09:21, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 08:50, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So one of the things I suspected at the very start of Freeview was
that
terrestrialTV from land based transmitters days are numbered and a
lot of
channels will need smart tvs to view online, increasing the net
congestion
issue and losing a lot of stuff that Granny wants to watch on her
little el
chepo easy to use tv, as I doubt sat services will replace all the
missing
stations.
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
How does that assertion match the statistic that BBC iplayer
delivered 6 Billion programmes last year, and the platform now
accounts for 12% of BBC TV viewing ?
(And iplayer certainly isn't the only streaming service)
Complicated by the way the figures for streaming include programmes
viewed on tablets, laptops, phones etc as well as TVs? I've not seen a breakdown.
In article <sr6ca1$esc$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
I certainly watch some youtube on mine, I enjoy watching Edd China's mechanical stuff and I enjoy Plank of the Week for a laugh. I also
enjoy some physics presentations on there too.
My wife has Amazon prime because she's a kindle book fanatic and she
orders quite a bit from them so we've also watched their video
service, I did enjoy Clarkson's Farm which I found funny and
informative.
In article <IhKyfEER4n1hFwlA@255soft.uk>,
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 13:17:39, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>Yes, I'd be happy with that.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:As long as _some_ T1 transmissions remain (and probably with the main
Time to bite the bullet? Convert them all bar one to T2.I wish, clearly the sensible thing to do.
Bob.
[5? 10?] channels on).
If they don't, I think it would support the principle of abolishing
terrestrial TV transmission altogether (and those who can't get
broadband, or can't afford it, can go hang) - which I'm against.
Just thinking about costs, I presume for a T to T2 conversion the
transmitter remains the same and it's the encoder that is changed, is
that correct? If so, can the encoder be re-programmed or does it need
to be replaced?
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 13:17:39, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
Time to bite the bullet? Convert them all bar one to T2.
I wish, clearly the sensible thing to do.
Bob.
As long as _some_ T1 transmissions remain (and probably with the main
[5? 10?] channels on).
If they don't, I think it would support the principle of abolishing terrestrial TV transmission altogether (and those who can't get
broadband, or can't afford it, can go hang) - which I'm against.
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
Just thinking about costs, I presume for a T to T2 conversion theT to T2 is just an encoder change. Don't forget COM 7 is transmitted from
transmitter remains the same and it's the encoder that is changed, is
that correct? If so, can the encoder be re-programmed or does it need
to be replaced?
the second hand pre DSO transmitters that are over 20 years old (and
existed before T2 had even been invented).
The cost of conversion for the broadcasters is trivial. The cost for the viewers is quite another matter !
On 06/01/2022 11:47, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <IhKyfEER4n1hFwlA@255soft.uk>,T to T2 is just an encoder change. Don't forget COM 7 is transmitted
J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 at 13:17:39, Bob Latham <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid>Yes, I'd be happy with that.
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:As long as _some_ T1 transmissions remain (and probably with the main
Time to bite the bullet? Convert them all bar one to T2.I wish, clearly the sensible thing to do.
Bob.
[5? 10?] channels on).
If they don't, I think it would support the principle of abolishing
terrestrial TV transmission altogether (and those who can't get
broadband, or can't afford it, can go hang) - which I'm against.
Just thinking about costs, I presume for a T to T2 conversion the
transmitter remains the same and it's the encoder that is changed, is
that correct? If so, can the encoder be re-programmed or does it need
to be replaced?
from the second hand pre DSO transmitters that are over 20 years old
(and existed before T2 had even been invented).
The cost of conversion for the broadcasters is trivial. The cost for the viewers is quite another matter !
"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:j3o3taFp74pU1@mid.individual.net...
Just thinking about costs, I presume for a T to T2 conversion theT to T2 is just an encoder change. Don't forget COM 7 is transmitted
transmitter remains the same and it's the encoder that is changed, is
that correct? If so, can the encoder be re-programmed or does it need
to be replaced?
from the second hand pre DSO transmitters that are over 20 years old
(and existed before T2 had even been invented).
The cost of conversion for the broadcasters is trivial. The cost for
the viewers is quite another matter !
Is there anything enshrined in the standards that says T2 *must* use
H264 rather than MPEG-2, or that HD *must* use H264 and T2? Or is it
just a matter of convention that prevents HD+MPEG-2? Is it pure
coincidence (and marketing) that the T2 muxes (PSB3 and COM7) are a
mixture of HD and sub-SD (544x576) and that none of the SD channels on
those muxes are full-SD (720x576)?
On 06/01/2022 11:55, Bob Latham wrote:
In article <sr6ca1$esc$1@dont-email.me>,
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
I certainly watch some youtube on mine, I enjoy watching Edd China's
mechanical stuff and I enjoy Plank of the Week for a laugh. I also
enjoy some physics presentations on there too.
My wife has Amazon prime because she's a kindle book fanatic and she
orders quite a bit from them so we've also watched their video
service, I did enjoy Clarkson's Farm which I found funny and
informative.
That's all right until YouTube change their format and your TV
manufacturer doesn't update the interface because the TV's a few years old.
On 06/01/2022 09:43, Robin wrote:
On 06/01/2022 09:29, Mark Carver wrote:No, but it's fair assumption that it's more than a minority of people
On 06/01/2022 09:21, MB wrote:
On 06/01/2022 08:50, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
So one of the things I suspected at the very start of Freeview was
that
terrestrialTV from land based transmitters days are numbered and a
lot of
channels will need smart tvs to view online, increasing the net
congestion
issue and losing a lot of stuff that Granny wants to watch on her
little el
chepo easy to use tv, as I doubt sat services will replace all the
missing
stations.
I have a suspicion that despite all the fancy things available on
"Smart" TVs, the majority viewers never use them.
How does that assertion match the statistic that BBC iplayer
delivered 6 Billion programmes last year, and the platform now
accounts for 12% of BBC TV viewing ?
(And iplayer certainly isn't the only streaming service)
Complicated by the way the figures for streaming include programmes
viewed on tablets, laptops, phones etc as well as TVs? I've not seen a
breakdown.
that are using the 'smart' features on their smart TVs ?
Bob Latham wrote:
Andy Burns wrote:
Time to bite the bullet? Convert them all bar one to T2.
I wish, clearly the sensible thing to do.
As long as _some_ T1 transmissions remain
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