I've posted this on the Leyburn Facebook group:
TV RECEPTION (OR LACK OF) FROM SUTTON BANK
This is so stupid I’m embarrassed to tell you about it. The temporary transmitter near Sutton Bank only sends signals out to the south-east and south west. There are two transmission panels on the tower: one beams out
to the south-east and the other to the south-west. Everywhere to the west
and the north-west has been ignored. Basically what seems to have happened
is that some berk with no local knowledge has looked at a Bilsdale
coverage map and decided that York, Harrogate, etc are the most important areas for the temporary transmitter to serve. What he obviously didn’t
know is that people in those areas don’t like Tyne Tees and BBC NE so
their aerials point towards Emley Moor. Hardly surprising is it really
that York and Harrogate prefer Yorkshire TV and BBC Leeds? So almost
nobody in those areas uses Bilsdale; they use Emley Moor if at all
possible. The signals from Emley and Bilsdale have a massive overlap. So
the signals that are really needed in the Leyburn (etc) areas are instead being beamed out over Harrogate, Wetherby, Selby, and York; places where hardly anybody has an aerial pointing north towards Bilsdale. I admit
there are a few places in and around Harrogate that have to use Bilsdale,
but York? Selby? Wetherby? I worked in those areas installing communal TV systems for many years and I can tell you that if I’d left a system with Tyne Tees and no YTV, unless I had a very good reason I would have got my arse kicked good and proper. Occasionally I had to use Bilsdale, but it
was always as an absolute last resort.
It would have been perfectly possible to fit a panel on the other side of
the tower pointing north-west. No doubt the answer will be that it would detract from the power sent south, but that’s rubbish because (a) see above, and (b) only a small amount of power would need to be bled off the feeder to serve a low-powered panel (which is all that it would need to be because the service area is limited by the topography of the Dales). In
any case the south-west (Harrogate) could have been served with one panel
and the north-west with another.
Can I suggest that you people kick up a stink about this? It sounds like a story for your local press, MP, local councils, etc. I really hate it when the broadcasters ride roughshod over the public like this.
Bill
Yes I've heard of this kind of thing before back in the old days of analogue where Hannington and one of the London transmitters used to overlap. Some bright spark changed the polar responses to actually make it harder for
those wanting to view southern to actually get it.
I've posted this on the Leyburn Facebook group:
TV RECEPTION (OR LACK OF) FROM SUTTON BANK
This is so stupid I'm embarrassed to tell you about it. The temporary transmitter near Sutton Bank only sends signals out to the south-east and south west. There are two transmission panels on the tower: one beams out
to the south-east and the other to the south-west. Everywhere to the west
and the north-west has been ignored. Basically what seems to have happened
is that some berk with no local knowledge has looked at a Bilsdale
coverage map and decided that York, Harrogate, etc are the most important areas for the temporary transmitter to serve. What he obviously didn't
know is that people in those areas don't like Tyne Tees and BBC NE so
their aerials point towards Emley Moor. Hardly surprising is it really
that York and Harrogate prefer Yorkshire TV and BBC Leeds? So almost
nobody in those areas uses Bilsdale; they use Emley Moor if at all
possible. The signals from Emley and Bilsdale have a massive overlap. So
the signals that are really needed in the Leyburn (etc) areas are instead being beamed out over Harrogate, Wetherby, Selby, and York; places where hardly anybody has an aerial pointing north towards Bilsdale. I admit
there are a few places in and around Harrogate that have to use Bilsdale,
but York? Selby? Wetherby? I worked in those areas installing communal TV systems for many years and I can tell you that if I'd left a system with
Tyne Tees and no YTV, unless I had a very good reason I would have got my arse kicked good and proper. Occasionally I had to use Bilsdale, but it
was always as an absolute last resort.
It would have been perfectly possible to fit a panel on the other side of
the tower pointing north-west. No doubt the answer will be that it would detract from the power sent south, but that's rubbish because (a) see
above, and (b) only a small amount of power would need to be bled off the feeder to serve a low-powered panel (which is all that it would need to be because the service area is limited by the topography of the Dales). In
any case the south-west (Harrogate) could have been served with one panel
and the north-west with another.
Can I suggest that you people kick up a stink about this? It sounds like a story for your local press, MP, local councils, etc. I really hate it when the broadcasters ride roughshod over the public like this.
Bill
It does seem odd that Sutton Bank isn't also providing (as strong)
coverage to its west and north west.
Let's hope your Facebook posting has an effect and makes Arqiva rethink things. My impression is that they have been very slow in getting a replacement for Bilsdale itself, compared with getting Bilsdale's repeaters working.
I've posted this on the Leyburn Facebook group:
TV RECEPTION (OR LACK OF) FROM SUTTON BANK
This is so stupid I’m embarrassed to tell you about it. The temporary >transmitter near Sutton Bank only sends signals out to the south-east
and south west. There are two transmission panels on the tower: one
beams out to the south-east and the other to the south-west. Everywhere
to the west and the north-west has been ignored. Basically what seems to
have happened is that some berk with no local knowledge has looked at a >Bilsdale coverage map and decided that York, Harrogate, etc are the most >important areas for the temporary transmitter to serve. What he
obviously didn’t know is that people in those areas don’t like Tyne Tees >and BBC NE so their aerials point towards Emley Moor. Hardly surprising
is it really that York and Harrogate prefer Yorkshire TV and BBC Leeds?
So almost nobody in those areas uses Bilsdale; they use Emley Moor if at
all possible. The signals from Emley and Bilsdale have a massive
overlap. So the signals that are really needed in the Leyburn (etc)
areas are instead being beamed out over Harrogate, Wetherby, Selby, and
York; places where hardly anybody has an aerial pointing north towards >Bilsdale. I admit there are a few places in and around Harrogate that
have to use Bilsdale, but York? Selby? Wetherby? I worked in those areas >installing communal TV systems for many years and I can tell you that if >I’d left a system with Tyne Tees and no YTV, unless I had a very good >reason I would have got my arse kicked good and proper. Occasionally I
had to use Bilsdale, but it was always as an absolute last resort.
It would have been perfectly possible to fit a panel on the other side
of the tower pointing north-west. No doubt the answer will be that it
would detract from the power sent south, but that’s rubbish because (a)
see above, and (b) only a small amount of power would need to be bled
off the feeder to serve a low-powered panel (which is all that it would
need to be because the service area is limited by the topography of the >Dales). In any case the south-west (Harrogate) could have been served
with one panel and the north-west with another.
Can I suggest that you people kick up a stink about this? It sounds like
a story for your local press, MP, local councils, etc. I really hate it
when the broadcasters ride roughshod over the public like this.
Bill
On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 20:19:32 +0100, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:I suspect Paul Donovan doesn't have a technical background, but whoever
Let's hope your Facebook posting has an effect and makes Arqiva rethinkMaybe Radio Tees should get Bill on with Paul Donovan the next time he's on (within a month he said last week).
things. My impression is that they have been very slow in getting a
replacement for Bilsdale itself, compared with getting Bilsdale's repeaters >> working.
On 14/09/2021 13:26, tony sayer wrote:
Why not try Arqiva?..
Do they have any obligation to deal with the end users (viewers)?
Their contract is with the broadcaster.
Why not try Arqiva?..
In article <iq91v2FkohfU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> scribeth thus
I've posted this on the Leyburn Facebook group:
Where it will do sod all good i suspect!..
Why not try Arqiva?..
Or Ofcom?...
On 14/09/2021 13:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article <iq91v2FkohfU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> scribeth thus
I've posted this on the Leyburn Facebook group:
Where it will do sod all good i suspect!..
Why not try Arqiva?..
Or Ofcom?...
Because no-one will be interested in the opinions of a common aerial
rigger who doesn't even live in the area. Better by far to put the true >facts in front of the great and good of Leyburn, not to mention the hoi >polloi. Already some have written to Arqiva and the BBC, and a couple
are talking about ringing their MP and associate Rishi Sunak.
Bill
Because no-one will be interested in the opinions of a common aerial
rigger who doesn't even live in the area. Better by far to put the true
facts in front of the great and good of Leyburn, not to mention the hoi
polloi. Already some have written to Arqiva and the BBC, and a couple
are talking about ringing their MP and associate Rishi Sunak.
Bill
You'd think the opinions of an aerial rigger might be considered valid
if they're opinions about aerials.
But then I suppose the bureacrats who work tirelessly making difficult decisions on our behalf in the public interest always know best.
Rod.
On 14/09/2021 13:26, tony sayer wrote:
Why not try Arqiva?..
Do they have any obligation to deal with the end users (viewers)? Their >contract is with the broadcaster.
In article <tpsoEUQLXjQhFwoY@bancom.co.uk>,
tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
In article <shqg72$igl$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> scribeth
thus
On 14/09/2021 13:26, tony sayer wrote:
Why not try Arqiva?..
Do they have any obligation to deal with the end users (viewers)? Their
contract is with the broadcaster.
Yep but Bills got a lot of local knowledge of that area of the
country...
I mean its not quite Palestine and the Gaza strip but those tynesiders
can cut up rough and a wronged Yorkshireman a very frightening sight for
sure;!...
I'm going to be driving to Yorkshire tomorrow. Should I be worried?
Let's hope your Facebook posting has an effect and makes Arqiva rethink
things. My impression is that they have been very slow in getting a
replacement for Bilsdale itself, compared with getting Bilsdale's repeaters >>> working.
Maybe Radio Tees should get Bill on with Paul Donovan the next time he's on >> (within a month he said last week).
I suspect Paul Donovan doesn't have a technical background, but whoever
had written his crib sheet for that interview had done a pretty job I
thought ?
In article <shqg72$igl$1@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> scribeth
thus
On 14/09/2021 13:26, tony sayer wrote:
Why not try Arqiva?..
Do they have any obligation to deal with the end users (viewers)? Their >contract is with the broadcaster.
Yep but Bills got a lot of local knowledge of that area of the
country...
I mean its not quite Palestine and the Gaza strip but those tynesiders
can cut up rough and a wronged Yorkshireman a very frightening sight for sure;!...
On 15/09/2021 19:33, charles wrote:
I'm going to be driving to Yorkshire tomorrow. Should I be worried?<Grin> Only if you are from Lancashire. You may notice that there are two border markers on the M62, one has only a red rose on it, the other has
only a white one.
I'm going to be driving to Yorkshire tomorrow. Should I be worried?
"John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:iqetbsFopopU1@mid.individual.net...
On 15/09/2021 19:33, charles wrote:
I'm going to be driving to Yorkshire tomorrow. Should I be worried?<Grin> Only if you are from Lancashire. You may notice that there are two border markers on the M62, one has only a red rose on it, the other has only a white one.
It's true that there is a lot of mostly friendly rivalry and leg-pulling between Yorkshire and Lancashire folk. I've heard Lancashire pronounced "Lancashite" - and I'm sure they call God's Own County "Yorkshite". Heavily pregnant women are banned from crossing the border when their time is near, lest their child be a boy who might be accidentally born in the "wrong" county and therefore might have to play for the "wrong" cricket team - oh, the shame, oh the ignominy. But there is one thing that will unite them - anyone from The South, who is universally reviled by both counties equally.
I was once on a train from Huddersfield to Manchester (I'd got my visa and
my inoculations) and the guard came over the Tannoy in a homely West Riding accent: "The next station will be Slaithwaite [pronounced Slow-it, to rhyme with "cow"]. That's the place that namby-pamby pampered Southerners [boo, hiss] think is pronounced [exaggerated Mr Cholmondley-Warner accent] Slay-thwayte." The whole train erupted in hysterics at this bit of Southerner-bashing. He went on to say that he'd be doing passport checks while the train was in Standedge Tunnel where it crosses the Yorks/Lancs border. It took our minds off the fact that the train was running very late for some reason.
"John Williamson" <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:iqetbsFopopU1@mid.individual.net...
On 15/09/2021 19:33, charles wrote:
I'm going to be driving to Yorkshire tomorrow. Should I be worried?<Grin> Only if you are from Lancashire. You may notice that there are
two border markers on the M62, one has only a red rose on it, the
other has only a white one.
It's true that there is a lot of mostly friendly rivalry and leg-pulling between Yorkshire and Lancashire folk. I've heard Lancashire pronounced "Lancashite" - and I'm sure they call God's Own County "Yorkshite".
Heavily pregnant women are banned from crossing the border when their
time is near, lest their child be a boy who might be accidentally born
in the "wrong" county and therefore might have to play for the "wrong" cricket team - oh, the shame, oh the ignominy. But there is one thing
that will unite them - anyone from The South, who is universally reviled
by both counties equally.
I was once on a train from Huddersfield to Manchester (I'd got my visa
and my inoculations) and the guard came over the Tannoy in a homely West Riding accent: "The next station will be Slaithwaite [pronounced
Slow-it, to rhyme with "cow"]. That's the place that namby-pamby
pampered Southerners [boo, hiss] think is pronounced [exaggerated Mr Cholmondley-Warner accent] Slay-thwayte." The whole train erupted in hysterics at this bit of Southerner-bashing. He went on to say that he'd
be doing passport checks while the train was in Standedge Tunnel where
it crosses the Yorks/Lancs border. It took our minds off the fact that
the train was running very late for some reason.
<Grin> Only if you are from Lancashire. You may notice that there are
two border markers on the M62, one has only a red rose on it, the other
has only a white one.
On 14/09/2021 13:26, tony sayer wrote:
In article <iq91v2FkohfU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright
<wrightsaerials@f2s.com> scribeth thus
I've posted this on the Leyburn Facebook group:
Where it will do sod all good i suspect!..
Why not try Arqiva?..
Or Ofcom?...
Because no-one will be interested in the opinions of a common aerial
rigger who doesn't even live in the area. Better by far to put the true >facts in front of the great and good of Leyburn, not to mention the hoi >polloi. Already some have written to Arqiva and the BBC, and a couple
are talking about ringing their MP and associate Rishi Sunak.
Bill
Darn sarfff they sure know how to protect;!!!
--
Stereotypes apart, you'll find Yorkshire folk are very welcoming and far
more ready to start little ice-breaking conversations in shops, bus
queues etc,
I'm going to be driving to Yorkshire tomorrow. Should I be worried?
I mean its not quite Palestine and the Gaza strip but those tynesiders
can cut up rough and a wronged Yorkshireman a very frightening sight for sure;!...
On 15/09/2021 19:33, charles wrote:
I'm going to be driving to Yorkshire tomorrow. Should I be worried?
I'd very much like to invite you for a cuppa but I'm in hospital most of
the day. Annoying.
Bill
On 15/09/2021 19:54, NY wrote:
Stereotypes apart, you'll find Yorkshire folk are very welcoming and far
more ready to start little ice-breaking conversations in shops, bus
queues etc,
I'm presently spending time every day at a Sheffield hospital. During the treatment time it's always easy to chat with the staff. They are really friendly, as you'd expect in this part of the world. It's a bit bizarre really, but Yorkshire friendliness winds through. I'm on my back in a
state of undress and I chat with the girls who are messing about with my body, about recipes, the traffic, last night's telly, anything.
The weirdest conversation of that sort was when I had a routine colon
scan. It was very weird to be wearing a special part of shorts with the
fly at the *back* (through which they insert the endoscope) and to feel
it going in and a bit of gas being injected to open everything up. But throughout all this, the nurse at my head was chatting to me about a
food festival that she was going to in Malton, because she'd seen that I lived near there. The conversation ranged through various topics: I
don't remember them all but it took my mind off what the doctor was
doing "down below" which was the desired effect. But the weirdest thing
was that after it was all over, the doctor wiped off the excess
lubricating jelly that she'd used. "Bet you've not had that done to you
for a long time, have you?" quipped the nurse.
Good luck with your treatment.
On 15/09/2021 21:09, tony sayer wrote:
Darn sarfff they sure know how to protect;!!!
--
"Protect" or "protest" ?
They seem to manage the most stupid protests where most of them don't
know what they are protesting about and they manage alienate the people
they are supposed to be converting to their point of view.
Are there any non-woke police left? I remember when I was at Pontop,
they claimed there was one police sergeant in Newcastle who they locked
in a cell on a Saturday night. Perhaps they were exaggerating but showed
that they did not mess around.
The young lady doctor who dispelled all my fears and with enormous
gentleness lifted my scrotum out of the way so she could examine a strange mole.
Typo Sir! a simple Typo we have them darnn sarff you know;!!...
The digital prostate exam done by a doctor who had fingers like bananas
and who used the 'dive in quickly' method.
On 15/09/2021 19:54, NY wrote:
Stereotypes apart, you'll find Yorkshire folk are very welcoming and far more ready to start little ice-breaking conversations in shops, bus
queues etc,
I'm presently spending time every day at a Sheffield hospital. During
the treatment time it's always easy to chat with the staff. They are
really friendly, as you'd expect in this part of the world. It's a bit bizarre really, but Yorkshire friendliness winds through. I'm on my back
in a state of undress and I chat with the girls who are messing about
with my body, about recipes, the traffic, last night's telly, anything.
I considered remarking that I didn't think it would replace
shaking hands on meeting a new person, but thought better of it.
I've posted this on the Leyburn Facebook group:
TV RECEPTION (OR LACK OF) FROM SUTTON BANK
This is so stupid I’m embarrassed to tell you about it. The temporary transmitter near Sutton Bank only sends signals out to the south-east
and south west. There are two transmission panels on the tower: one
beams out to the south-east and the other to the south-west. Everywhere
to the west and the north-west has been ignored. Basically what seems to
have happened is that some berk with no local knowledge has looked at a Bilsdale coverage map and decided that York, Harrogate, etc are the most important areas for the temporary transmitter to serve. What he
obviously didn’t know is that people in those areas don’t like Tyne Tees and BBC NE so their aerials point towards Emley Moor. Hardly surprising
is it really that York and Harrogate prefer Yorkshire TV and BBC Leeds?
So almost nobody in those areas uses Bilsdale; they use Emley Moor if at
all possible. The signals from Emley and Bilsdale have a massive
overlap. So the signals that are really needed in the Leyburn (etc)
areas are instead being beamed out over Harrogate, Wetherby, Selby, and
York; places where hardly anybody has an aerial pointing north towards Bilsdale. I admit there are a few places in and around Harrogate that
have to use Bilsdale, but York? Selby? Wetherby? I worked in those areas installing communal TV systems for many years and I can tell you that if I’d left a system with Tyne Tees and no YTV, unless I had a very good reason I would have got my arse kicked good and proper. Occasionally I
had to use Bilsdale, but it was always as an absolute last resort.
It would have been perfectly possible to fit a panel on the other side
of the tower pointing north-west. No doubt the answer will be that it
would detract from the power sent south, but that’s rubbish because (a)
see above, and (b) only a small amount of power would need to be bled
off the feeder to serve a low-powered panel (which is all that it would
need to be because the service area is limited by the topography of the Dales). In any case the south-west (Harrogate) could have been served
with one panel and the north-west with another.
Can I suggest that you people kick up a stink about this? It sounds like
a story for your local press, MP, local councils, etc. I really hate it
when the broadcasters ride roughshod over the public like this.
On 13/09/2021 20:19, NY wrote:
It does seem odd that Sutton Bank isn't also providing (as strong)
coverage to its west and north west.
No it's not. The Tx panels are only on the SE leg of the tower
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=2566
On 14/09/2021 08:09, Mark Carver wrote:
On 13/09/2021 20:19, NY wrote:
It does seem odd that Sutton Bank isn't also providing (as strong)
coverage to its west and north west.
No it's not. The Tx panels are only on the SE leg of the tower
http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=2566
The bit that everyone is missing is that the mast is not at the top of
Sutton Bank, it is at an old police mast called Cleeve Dyke about a
1.5Km NNE of Sutton Bank and maybe 800m back from the nearest edge,
hence why places underneath it such as Thirsk might be having problems.
If someone had asked the emergency services - all of whom used the site
in pre Airwave days - they would have soon found the reality of the
coverage!
The bit that everyone is missing is that the mast is not at the top of
Sutton Bank, it is at an old police mast called Cleeve Dyke about a
1.5Km NNE of Sutton Bank and maybe 800m back from the nearest edge,
hence why places underneath it such as Thirsk might be having problems.
On 17/09/2021 20:20, Woody wrote:
The bit that everyone is missing is that the mast is not at the top of
Sutton Bank, it is at an old police mast called Cleeve Dyke about a
1.5Km NNE of Sutton Bank and maybe 800m back from the nearest edge,
hence why places underneath it such as Thirsk might be having problems.
You can see the mast from a lot of the little roads between Thirsk and
the hills on Google Maps.
Bill
On 18/09/2021 01:44, williamwright wrote:
On 17/09/2021 20:20, Woody wrote:
The bit that everyone is missing is that the mast is not at the top
of Sutton Bank, it is at an old police mast called Cleeve Dyke about
a 1.5Km NNE of Sutton Bank and maybe 800m back from the nearest edge,
hence why places underneath it such as Thirsk might be having problems.
You can see the mast from a lot of the little roads between Thirsk and
the hills on Google Maps.
Bill
Are you sure on that Bill? There is also a broadcast/PMR mast at
Woolmmor (actually a hill called Kirkby Knowle) which can be seen for
some distance around - could it be misleading you? I used to look after
 kit at Cleeve Dyke and have never seen it from the west even knowing exactly where it is.
I am lucky, I am half Welsh...
On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:09:27 +0100, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
I am lucky, I am half Welsh...
That's not a phrase you hear every day...
I suppose he means compared with being completely Welsh.
On 18/09/2021 01:44, williamwright wrote:
On 17/09/2021 20:20, Woody wrote:
The bit that everyone is missing is that the mast is not at the top of
Sutton Bank, it is at an old police mast called Cleeve Dyke about a
1.5Km NNE of Sutton Bank and maybe 800m back from the nearest edge,
hence why places underneath it such as Thirsk might be having problems.
You can see the mast from a lot of the little roads between Thirsk and
the hills on Google Maps.
BillAre you sure on that Bill? There is also a broadcast/PMR mast at
Woolmmor (actually a hill called Kirkby Knowle) which can be seen for
some distance around - could it be misleading you? I used to look after
kit at Cleeve Dyke and have never seen it from the west even knowing
exactly where it is.
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