• Bluetooth

    From MB@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 13 09:14:27 2021
    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when
    the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I was putting a CD on but remembered my old MP3 player so have been
    listening to that on a BT loudspeaker.

    I thought I would try it with the Roberts Stream 94i, this has Bluetooth
    and can feed it from my tablet computer but it does not even show the
    presence of my MP3 player. As far as I can some BT devices are
    "receivers" and some "transmitters". The tablet and MP3 are
    "transmitters" and the Roberts and BT loudpeaker are "receivers". So
    why does the Roberts not recognise the MP3 player?

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Dec 13 09:29:14 2021
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when
    the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I was putting a CD on but remembered my old MP3 player so have been
    listening to that on a BT loudspeaker.

    I thought I would try it with the Roberts Stream 94i, this has Bluetooth
    and can feed it from my tablet computer but it does not even show the presence of my MP3 player. As far as I can some BT devices are
    "receivers" and some "transmitters". The tablet and MP3 are
    "transmitters" and the Roberts and BT loudpeaker are "receivers". So
    why does the Roberts not recognise the MP3 player?


    Is there a way to switch the MP3 player into discoverable mode?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Tweed on Mon Dec 13 09:58:27 2021
    On 13/12/2021 09:29, Tweed wrote:
    Is there a way to switch the MP3 player into discoverable mode?

    It effectively goes into that mode and found the Roberts OK.

    Unless it can only remember one other device and you have to delete one
    to make room. But I don't think so, they are so fiddly with limited
    controls and display that I can't imagine them doing so. More likely to
    search every time switched on.

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Dec 13 10:17:50 2021
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when
    the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Dec 13 11:31:27 2021
    On Mon 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when
    the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.


    Smooth (if it still exists) goes out on area/regional DAB muxes, but
    Smooth Extra (still in mono?) goes out on a national mux as DAB+. Even
    Classic doesn't do that!

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Dec 13 11:53:26 2021
    In article <sp7a5r$3n1$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    My background is Radio Suisse Classique - found on the intrernet

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Mon Dec 13 11:45:56 2021
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:18:20 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    Global Player?

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Woody on Mon Dec 13 11:51:50 2021
    On 13/12/2021 11:31, Woody wrote:
    Smooth (if it still exists) goes out on area/regional DAB muxes, but
    Smooth Extra (still in mono?) goes out on a national mux as DAB+. Even Classic doesn't do that!

    None of which cover here.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Dec 13 11:18:20 2021
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to Scott on Mon Dec 13 15:55:09 2021
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when
    the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    Swiss Classic

    Bill

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to williamwright on Mon Dec 13 16:45:11 2021
    In article <j1p8mtFo9lcU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when
    the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    Swiss Classic

    Bill

    That's fine if you understand German; I use Swiss Classique (French)

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to charles on Mon Dec 13 17:50:20 2021
    On 13/12/2021 16:45, charles wrote:
    In article <j1p8mtFo9lcU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when >>>> the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    Swiss Classic

    Bill

    That's fine if you understand German; I use Swiss Classique (French)

    I understand neither French nor German.

    Bill

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  • From Chris J Dixon@21:1/5 to charles on Mon Dec 13 17:51:48 2021
    charles wrote:

    In article <j1p8mtFo9lcU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when >> >> the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    Swiss Classic

    That's fine if you understand German; I use Swiss Classique (French)

    When on holiday in Germany a couple of years ago, we happened
    across a local music station (1) whose playlist I enjoyed. I now
    sometimes choose it, and find that, because I don't really
    understand the adverts, they don't annoy me anything like as much
    as they would if it was an English station.

    I can still listen to it via Internet radio, but Alexa's skill
    won't play ball any longer with non-UK channels.

    (1) SWR1 Baden-Württemberg

    Chris
    --
    Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
    chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

    Plant amazing Acers.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to williamwright on Mon Dec 13 18:07:55 2021
    In article <j1pembFpfkeU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 11:53, charles wrote:
    In article <sp7a5r$3n1$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    My background is Radio Suisse Classique - found on the intrernet

    Ohh that's posh Charles! I listen to Swiss Classic!

    Not posh, it's just the French language one. Yours is the German one - a language I never learned.

    Bill

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to charles on Mon Dec 13 17:37:15 2021
    On 13/12/2021 11:53, charles wrote:
    In article <sp7a5r$3n1$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    My background is Radio Suisse Classique - found on the intrernet

    Ohh that's posh Charles! I listen to Swiss Classic!

    Bill

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to All on Mon Dec 13 17:15:57 2021
    On 13/12/2021 11:18, MB wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    Well that's that then.

    Bill

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  • From John Williamson@21:1/5 to williamwright on Mon Dec 13 18:15:54 2021
    On 13/12/2021 17:50, williamwright wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 16:45, charles wrote:
    In article <j1p8mtFo9lcU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

    That's fine if you understand German; I use Swiss Classique (French)

    I understand neither French nor German.

    Bill
    <Grin> The music is still good, though.

    You don't have to understand Italian to like their opera.
    --
    Tciao for Now!

    John.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to charles@candehope.me.uk on Tue Dec 14 08:19:06 2021
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 18:07:55 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <j1pembFpfkeU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 11:53, charles wrote:
    In article <sp7a5r$3n1$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    My background is Radio Suisse Classique - found on the intrernet

    Ohh that's posh Charles! I listen to Swiss Classic!

    Not posh, it's just the French language one. Yours is the German one - a >language I never learned.

    Bill

    On my bedside radio I usually have Ancient FM or Otto's Baroque. I
    find this sort of station ideal for going to sleep by, as the music is
    pleasant but undemanding, and there is no language at all to disturb
    what I'm reading or thinking about, just the music itself.

    Rod.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 13:20:38 2021
    In article <j1pembFpfkeU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> scribeth thus
    On 13/12/2021 11:53, charles wrote:
    In article <sp7a5r$3n1$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    My background is Radio Suisse Classique - found on the intrernet

    Ohh that's posh Charles! I listen to Swiss Classic!

    Bill

    You might find that station of interest then its Chesky Rozhlas also
    known as Czech Radio from Prague its their very nice classical service
    D-dur

    https://d-dur.rozhlas.cz/

    Also they are rather proud of their station and history there a few
    pictures of equipment's they have used in the past like some very tasty
    Studer A80 master recorders!

    Well worth a visit if your out that way;!..


    https://goo.gl/maps/dMSpjQKEk3h8uKWu6

    And a rather frightening wire recorder!..

    https://goo.gl/maps/kRUiU7bNg7H2ULEK6
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 13:23:50 2021
    In article <mgkgrgl8so90lp76kuct659i1ai1c51ln1@4ax.com>, Roderick
    Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> scribeth thus
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 18:07:55 +0000 (GMT), charles
    <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

    In article <j1pembFpfkeU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 11:53, charles wrote:
    In article <sp7a5r$3n1$1@dont-email.me>,
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    I never listen to commercial radio and neither of those have any
    coverage around here anway.

    My background is Radio Suisse Classique - found on the intrernet

    Ohh that's posh Charles! I listen to Swiss Classic!

    Not posh, it's just the French language one. Yours is the German one - a >>language I never learned.

    Bill

    On my bedside radio I usually have Ancient FM or Otto's Baroque. I
    find this sort of station ideal for going to sleep by, as the music is >pleasant but undemanding, and there is no language at all to disturb
    what I'm reading or thinking about, just the music itself.

    Rod.


    Ands what a lovely station that is too if your into that time period:)


    https://www.ancientfm.com/
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 13:45:59 2021
    In article <j1pfesFpjgqU1@mid.individual.net>, williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> scribeth thus
    On 13/12/2021 16:45, charles wrote:
    In article <j1p8mtFo9lcU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 10:17, Scott wrote:
    On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:27 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and >>>>> looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when >>>>> the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I am tending towards Smooth and Classic FM as background music.

    Swiss Classic

    Bill

    That's fine if you understand German; I use Swiss Classique (French)

    I understand neither French nor German.

    Bill
    But some of it is quite easy to c get the gist of i mean D Moll
    obviously the key of D minor!..

    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 14 13:24:45 2021
    In article <sp7c4l$a0q$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> scribeth
    thus
    On 13/12/2021 11:31, Woody wrote:
    Smooth (if it still exists) goes out on area/regional DAB muxes, but
    Smooth Extra (still in mono?) goes out on a national mux as DAB+. Even
    Classic doesn't do that!

    None of which cover here.

    Are you down a salt mine in Cheshire perchance;?...
    --
    Tony Sayer


    Man is least himself when he talks in his own person.

    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to John Williamson on Tue Dec 14 15:45:51 2021
    On 13/12/2021 18:15, John Williamson wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 17:50, williamwright wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 16:45, charles wrote:
    In article <j1p8mtFo9lcU1@mid.individual.net>,
        williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:

    That's fine if you understand German; I use Swiss Classique (French)

    I understand neither French nor German.

    Bill
    <Grin> The music is still good, though.

    You don't have to understand Italian to like their opera.

    I've often wondered whether Italians understand Italian opera. I've
    never been able to follow the English in opera in English, except G&S. I
    prefer to watch operas in their original (non-English) language, with
    English sub- or surtitles.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Tue Dec 14 17:39:29 2021
    On 14/12/2021 13:24, tony sayer wrote:
    In article <sp7c4l$a0q$2@dont-email.me>, MB <MB@nospam.net> scribeth
    thus
    On 13/12/2021 11:31, Woody wrote:
    Smooth (if it still exists) goes out on area/regional DAB muxes, but
    Smooth Extra (still in mono?) goes out on a national mux as DAB+. Even
    Classic doesn't do that!

    None of which cover here.

    Are you down a salt mine in Cheshire perchance;?...

    Years ago I got a mate to play a trick on another mate who was a TV
    retailer. Rung up saying that he'd bought a set top aerial from the shop
    'last week' and it didn't work at all. Let him go through how to retune
    the TV set, etc, then get onto the location of the telly. Was it near a
    window on the side of the house nearest Emley Moor? ("where the sun sets"). "There int no winders down here mate."
    Gradually the 'truth' came out. The telly was in a little alcove where
    the guys took a break now and then, at the bottom of Bentley Pit.

    Bill

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Tue Dec 14 17:44:17 2021
    On 14/12/2021 13:45, tony sayer wrote:

    I understand neither French nor German.

    Bill
    But some of it is quite easy to c get the gist of i mean D Moll
    obviously the key of D minor!..


    Oh I can understand every word on Swiss Classic, because of repetition.
    I don't even think about it.

    Bill

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  • From SimonM@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 09:24:53 2021
    On 13/12/2021 09:14, MB wrote:
    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who
    I cannot stand and looks as if it might get worse
    from the people chosen as stand-ins when the main
    presenters are off so likely to step up to being
    main presenters in the future.

    I was putting a CD on but remembered my old MP3
    player so have been listening to that on a BT
    loudspeaker.

    I thought I would try it with the Roberts Stream
    94i, this has Bluetooth and can feed it from my
    tablet computer but it does not even show the
    presence of my MP3 player.  As far as I can some
    BT devices are "receivers" and some
    "transmitters".  The tablet and MP3 are
    "transmitters" and the Roberts and BT loudpeaker
    are "receivers".  So why does the Roberts not
    recognise the MP3 player?

    Quite a few computer protocols are "one-way" in
    practice, even though they don't need to be
    necessarily.

    Obviously there is handshaking involved, but USB
    (protocol), or some implementations of it, can be
    similar. I'm not sure that HDMI is supposed to be
    bi-directional, but it certainly isn't on my
    television, evn though it is supposed to be able
    to feed some sort of multichannel amplifier (er
    "AV"? - how these terms get muddled).

    I don't have access to these standards any more.
    You can network (TCP/IP) over Bluetooth, so the
    hardware is capable of it, but I suspect devices
    identify themselves with specific characteristics
    (SCSI is like this), and "sending" devices
    probably have no ability to receive.

    Frustratingly in the car it's the same: the phone
    function is obviously bi-directional, but the
    other audio stuff isn't. That'll be down to the
    'device class' of one end or t'other.

    Practically, does your Roberts list other things
    than the tuner(s) as audio sources? Is there some
    way of selecting a Bluetooth input? If not, the
    chances are it can't be done.


    I've been caught out in a similar fashion too,
    trying to connect things together.

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Dec 15 10:54:12 2021
    There are older versions of Bluetooth and many are not supported by the
    newer ones. The sound quality of Bluetooth can be pretty dire and have a lot
    of latency as well. I really don't understand why we still use it named as
    it is after a king in Norway. I think if my surname was bluetooth I'd change it.


    Brian

    --

    This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from...
    The Sofa of Brian Gaff...
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    Blind user, so no pictures please
    Note this Signature is meaningless.!
    "MB" <MB@nospam.net> wrote in message news:sp72ti$upn$1@dont-email.me...
    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins when
    the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main presenters
    in the future.

    I was putting a CD on but remembered my old MP3 player so have been
    listening to that on a BT loudspeaker.

    I thought I would try it with the Roberts Stream 94i, this has Bluetooth
    and can feed it from my tablet computer but it does not even show the presence of my MP3 player. As far as I can some BT devices are
    "receivers" and some "transmitters". The tablet and MP3 are
    "transmitters" and the Roberts and BT loudpeaker are "receivers". So why does the Roberts not recognise the MP3 player?






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  • From Max Demian@21:1/5 to SimonM on Wed Dec 15 12:18:40 2021
    On 15/12/2021 09:24, SimonM wrote:
    On 13/12/2021 09:14, MB wrote:
    There are quite a number of Radio 2 presenters who I cannot stand and
    looks as if it might get worse from the people chosen as stand-ins
    when the main presenters are off so likely to step up to being main
    presenters in the future.

    I was putting a CD on but remembered my old MP3 player so have been
    listening to that on a BT loudspeaker.

    I thought I would try it with the Roberts Stream 94i, this has
    Bluetooth and can feed it from my tablet computer but it does not even
    show the presence of my MP3 player.  As far as I can some BT devices
    are "receivers" and some "transmitters".  The tablet and MP3 are
    "transmitters" and the Roberts and BT loudpeaker are "receivers".  So
    why does the Roberts not recognise the MP3 player?

    Quite a few computer protocols are "one-way" in practice, even though
    they don't need to be necessarily.

    Usually a Bluetooth speaker or headphones can pause or skip tracks on
    the transmitting device. Would that be one way or two way? Some BT
    speakers and headphones can make and receive calls when connected to a
    mobile phone, so clearly the audio *can* be bidirectional. I've got a
    Roberts Rambler BT radio which can be used as a BT speaker, but not feed
    audio to BT headphones (to the annoyance of some Argos purchasers). I've
    also got a BT transmitter which can be connected to a laptop via USB, or
    to an audio system by 3.5mm plug. That is purely a transmitter, however
    used (I think). So systems clearly vary a lot.

    --
    Max Demian

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to SimonM on Wed Dec 15 13:54:57 2021
    On 15/12/2021 09:24, SimonM wrote:
    Practically, does your Roberts list other things
    than the tuner(s) as audio sources? Is there some
    way of selecting a Bluetooth input? If not, the
    chances are it can't be done.

    The Roberts lists tablet, laptop, mobile phone and I think something
    else but never the MP3 player.

    It is a great pity that it does not have a Bluetooth output that could
    feed a BT loudspeaker.

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  • From Unsteadyken@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 13:39:22 2021
    In article <spcc96$14l$1@dont-email.me>,

    SimonM says...

    I'm not sure that HDMI is supposed to be
    bi-directional, but it certainly isn't on my
    television

    It works well on my LG. I have 2 devices connected to the TV: A
    Playstation 4 and a Yamaha AV receiver.

    The Yamaha is connected to the Audio Return Channel (ARC) on the TV and
    when using the PS4, the TV passes 5.1 DTS/Dolby ETC over the ARC to the
    AVR. this works reliably on all the discs/games that I have tried.



    --
    Ken

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Dec 15 13:55:53 2021
    On 15/12/2021 10:54, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    There are older versions of Bluetooth and many are not supported by the
    newer ones. The sound quality of Bluetooth can be pretty dire and have a lot of latency as well. I really don't understand why we still use it named as
    it is after a king in Norway. I think if my surname was bluetooth I'd change it.


    It does seem plausible that the older versions.

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  • From Roderick Stewart@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Dec 15 16:56:45 2021
    On Wed, 15 Dec 2021 13:54:57 +0000, MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:

    On 15/12/2021 09:24, SimonM wrote:
    Practically, does your Roberts list other things
    than the tuner(s) as audio sources? Is there some
    way of selecting a Bluetooth input? If not, the
    chances are it can't be done.

    The Roberts lists tablet, laptop, mobile phone and I think something
    else but never the MP3 player.

    It is a great pity that it does not have a Bluetooth output that could
    feed a BT loudspeaker.

    Mine has a 3.5mm jack output that can feed an amplifier. The
    connection doesn't use anything fancy like Bluetooth or TCP/IP but an
    old technology called "wire".

    Rod.

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  • From Chris Youlden@21:1/5 to SimonM on Fri Dec 17 16:30:20 2021
    On 15/12/2021 09:24, SimonM wrote:

    Obviously there is handshaking involved, but USB (protocol), or some implementations of it, can be similar. I'm not sure that HDMI is
    supposed to be bi-directional, but it certainly isn't on my television,
    evn though it is supposed to be able to feed some sort of multichannel amplifier (er "AV"? - how these terms get muddled).

    I don't have access to these standards any more. You can network
    (TCP/IP) over Bluetooth, so the hardware is capable of it, but I suspect devices identify themselves with specific characteristics (SCSI is like this), and "sending" devices probably have no ability to receive.

    Frustratingly in the car it's the same: the phone function is obviously bi-directional, but the other audio stuff isn't. That'll be down to the 'device class' of one end or t'other.


    It continually frustrates me that tv sets such as my Bravia have BT as a source, but do not transmit. I would find it very useful to be able to
    receive BT from the telly on my hearing aids.

    --

    Chris

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to All on Fri Dec 17 17:12:55 2021
    In article <spidut$u2f$1@dont-email.me>, Chris Youlden <fbx@youlden.co.uk> wrote:
    On 15/12/2021 09:24, SimonM wrote:

    Obviously there is handshaking involved, but USB (protocol), or some implementations of it, can be similar. I'm not sure that HDMI is
    supposed to be bi-directional, but it certainly isn't on my television,
    evn though it is supposed to be able to feed some sort of multichannel amplifier (er "AV"? - how these terms get muddled).

    I don't have access to these standards any more. You can network
    (TCP/IP) over Bluetooth, so the hardware is capable of it, but I
    suspect devices identify themselves with specific characteristics
    (SCSI is like this), and "sending" devices probably have no ability to receive.

    Frustratingly in the car it's the same: the phone function is obviously bi-directional, but the other audio stuff isn't. That'll be down to
    the 'device class' of one end or t'other.


    It continually frustrates me that tv sets such as my Bravia have BT as a source, but do not transmit. I would find it very useful to be able to receive BT from the telly on my hearing aids.

    SWMBO bought an add ondevice to do just that.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Sun Dec 26 10:55:05 2021
    On 13/12/2021 09:14, MB wrote:
    I thought I would try it with the Roberts Stream 94i, this has Bluetooth
    and can feed it from my tablet computer but it does not even show the presence of my MP3 player. As far as I can some BT devices are
    "receivers" and some "transmitters". The tablet and MP3 are
    "transmitters" and the Roberts and BT loudpeaker are "receivers". So
    why does the Roberts not recognise the MP3 player?


    There was an advert in from Roberts this morning, I was just looking
    through it and one item is some very neat Bluetooth speakers. But of
    course you cannot use these with Roberts radios like the 94i because it
    only has a Bluetooth input and no Bluetooth output!

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