• How do the Channel Isles get their tv feed these days.

    From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 12:53:28 2021
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at Cornwall
    over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active driven phasing to try to keep the signal good and the French interference out. I'm assuming something less complicated is done these days, Satellite maybe?
    Brian

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 14:06:14 2021
    On 01/09/2021 12:53, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at Cornwall
    over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active driven phasing to try to keep the signal good and the French interference out. I'm assuming something less complicated is done these days, Satellite maybe?

    Was SABRE for ITV/4, first of all on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill,
    then from 1986 a SABRE array at Cherbourg looking at Rowridge.
    ITV/4 were beamed towards Cherbourg on a narrow beam from 4 very long
    yagis at Rowridge.

    C4 switched to a fibre feed in 1993, ITV switched to fibre in 96 ish

    The BBC used 24 logs on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill, they used
    that until switching to Astra 28.2 in 2003

    Since DSO in 2010 all three muxes are fibre fed

    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=860

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to tony sayer on Wed Sep 1 13:50:15 2021
    In article <QY53YxBxz2LhFwkw@bancom.co.uk>,
    tony sayer <tony@bancom.co.uk> wrote:
    In article <sgnpjs$en8$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> scribeth thus
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at Cornwall >over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active driven phasing to >try to keep the signal good and the French interference out.

    SABRE IIRC...

    indeed so. Whereas the BBC simply built a "conventional array" of 24 phased
    log periodics. I understood that possibly SABRE was better for about an
    hour a year.


    I'm assuming
    something less complicated is done these days, Satellite maybe?
    Brian


    A Mate of mine who lives and works there says Fibre....

    That's what believed, but I retired 25 years ago this month. ;-)

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  • From tony sayer@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 13:07:13 2021
    In article <sgnpjs$en8$1@dont-email.me>, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> scribeth thus
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at Cornwall
    over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active driven phasing to >try to keep the signal good and the French interference out.

    SABRE IIRC...


    I'm assuming
    something less complicated is done these days, Satellite maybe?
    Brian


    A Mate of mine who lives and works there says Fibre....

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    Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

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  • From MB@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 17:03:05 2021
    If you are going to build a big array then do it properly (this is 144 MHz)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/6080554441/in/album-72157633516342377/

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Wed Sep 1 17:35:09 2021
    On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:06:14 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 01/09/2021 12:53, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at Cornwall
    over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active driven phasing to >> try to keep the signal good and the French interference out. I'm assuming
    something less complicated is done these days, Satellite maybe?

    Was SABRE for ITV/4, first of all on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill,
    then from 1986 a SABRE array at Cherbourg looking at Rowridge.
    ITV/4 were beamed towards Cherbourg on a narrow beam from 4 very long
    yagis at Rowridge.

    I thought the Channel Islands had their own television service, not Westward/TSW or whatever. Or did the UK transmitters broadcast
    Channel TV as well?

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk on Wed Sep 1 18:08:08 2021
    In article <eqavighaiosk5gacqp1r49ighl74d94hrh@4ax.com>, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:06:14 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 01/09/2021 12:53, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at
    Cornwall over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active
    driven phasing to try to keep the signal good and the French
    interference out. I'm assuming something less complicated is done
    these days, Satellite maybe?

    Was SABRE for ITV/4, first of all on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill,
    then from 1986 a SABRE array at Cherbourg looking at Rowridge. ITV/4
    were beamed towards Cherbourg on a narrow beam from 4 very long yagis
    at Rowridge.

    I thought the Channel Islands had their own television service, not Westward/TSW or whatever. Or did the UK transmitters broadcast Channel
    TV as well?

    They still need the sustaining network for the time they aren't producing
    their own stuff.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Tweed@21:1/5 to MB@nospam.net on Wed Sep 1 17:09:16 2021
    MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
    If you are going to build a big array then do it properly (this is 144 MHz)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/6080554441/in/album-72157633516342377/



    I know the chap that built and ran that auroral radar.

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  • From Woody@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 18:32:33 2021
    On Wed 01/09/2021 17:03, MB wrote:
    If you are going to build a big array then do it properly (this is 144 MHz)

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/doffcocker/6080554441/in/album-72157633516342377/



    Never occurred to me until now that MB is actually (J)MB whom I was
    reading even back in the days of message boards on packet!

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 19:13:00 2021
    On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 18:08:08 +0100, charles <charles@candehope.me.uk>
    wrote:
    [snip]
    They still need the sustaining network for the time they aren't producing >their own stuff.

    Sorry - I misunderstood what was being done.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to charles on Thu Sep 2 04:52:19 2021
    On 01/09/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
    That's what believed, but I retired 25 years ago this month.

    You worked on until you were 85?

    Bill

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to charles on Thu Sep 2 07:53:19 2021
    On 01/09/2021 18:08, charles wrote:
    In article <eqavighaiosk5gacqp1r49ighl74d94hrh@4ax.com>, Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:06:14 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 01/09/2021 12:53, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at
    Cornwall over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active
    driven phasing to try to keep the signal good and the French
    interference out. I'm assuming something less complicated is done
    these days, Satellite maybe?

    Was SABRE for ITV/4, first of all on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill, >>> then from 1986 a SABRE array at Cherbourg looking at Rowridge. ITV/4
    were beamed towards Cherbourg on a narrow beam from 4 very long yagis
    at Rowridge.

    I thought the Channel Islands had their own television service, not
    Westward/TSW or whatever. Or did the UK transmitters broadcast Channel
    TV as well?
    They still need the sustaining network for the time they aren't producing their own stuff.

    And they also effectively had the mainland ITV companies pass them a
    share of national advert revenue (by rebroadcasting the appropriate ads).
    So most of their adverting revenue came via that link too. Which is why
    the IBA spent so much effort to give them a reliable service.
    As far as the BBC were concerned, Fremont Point was just  a relay
    station that served 100k viewers. Different priorities.
    Some might say the IBA got carried away with the idea.

    Channel TV did almost go bust during the 10 week ITV strike in 1979.
    They had their own union agreement, so were not forced off the air, but
    of course Westward TV was, so they lost all of their network programming
    and national ads. Also, at the time they had no VTR facilitates, only a
    pair of Telecine machines.  They kept themselves going by flying in
    films and TV movies from the UK and US, as well I think some commercials.

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  • From charles@21:1/5 to williamwright on Thu Sep 2 08:28:53 2021
    In article <ipb03iFqurmU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 01/09/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
    That's what believed, but I retired 25 years ago this month.

    You worked on until you were 85?

    Bill

    No, Bill, I'm not 110.

    --
    from KT24 in Surrey, England
    "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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  • From Scott@21:1/5 to mark.carver@invalid.invalid on Thu Sep 2 09:17:42 2021
    On Thu, 2 Sep 2021 07:53:19 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

    On 01/09/2021 18:08, charles wrote:
    In article <eqavighaiosk5gacqp1r49ighl74d94hrh@4ax.com>, Scott
    <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
    On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:06:14 +0100, Mark Carver
    <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    On 01/09/2021 12:53, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at
    Cornwall over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active
    driven phasing to try to keep the signal good and the French
    interference out. I'm assuming something less complicated is done
    these days, Satellite maybe?

    Was SABRE for ITV/4, first of all on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill, >>>> then from 1986 a SABRE array at Cherbourg looking at Rowridge. ITV/4
    were beamed towards Cherbourg on a narrow beam from 4 very long yagis
    at Rowridge.

    I thought the Channel Islands had their own television service, not
    Westward/TSW or whatever. Or did the UK transmitters broadcast Channel
    TV as well?
    They still need the sustaining network for the time they aren't producing
    their own stuff.

    And they also effectively had the mainland ITV companies pass them a
    share of national advert revenue (by rebroadcasting the appropriate ads).
    So most of their adverting revenue came via that link too. Which is why
    the IBA spent so much effort to give them a reliable service.
    As far as the BBC were concerned, Fremont Point was just  a relay
    station that served 100k viewers. Different priorities.
    Some might say the IBA got carried away with the idea.

    Channel TV did almost go bust during the 10 week ITV strike in 1979.
    They had their own union agreement, so were not forced off the air, but
    of course Westward TV was, so they lost all of their network programming
    and national ads. Also, at the time they had no VTR facilitates, only a
    pair of Telecine machines.  They kept themselves going by flying in
    films and TV movies from the UK and US, as well I think some commercials.

    Was there some evidence that ITV audiences increased during the strike
    because a lot of viewers liked the American stuff?

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  • From Brian Gaff (Sofa)@21:1/5 to Mark Carver on Thu Sep 2 09:47:28 2021
    How boring that is then, I loved the active systems. They could be seen adjusting the over water path all the time on a display. Indeed IBA as it
    was then, made a video oabout it all.
    Brian

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    "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message news:ip9c66FhdjrU1@mid.individual.net...
    On 01/09/2021 12:53, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    Back in the 80s I seem to recall an adaptive aerial pointing at Cornwall
    over the see from the side of a cliff with computer active driven phasing
    to
    try to keep the signal good and the French interference out. I'm assuming
    something less complicated is done these days, Satellite maybe?

    Was SABRE for ITV/4, first of all on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill,
    then from 1986 a SABRE array at Cherbourg looking at Rowridge.
    ITV/4 were beamed towards Cherbourg on a narrow beam from 4 very long
    yagis at Rowridge.

    C4 switched to a fibre feed in 1993, ITV switched to fibre in 96 ish

    The BBC used 24 logs on Alderney looking at Stockland Hill, they used that until switching to Astra 28.2 in 2003

    Since DSO in 2010 all three muxes are fibre fed

    http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/gallerypage.php?txid=860

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  • From Mark Carver@21:1/5 to Scott on Thu Sep 2 10:33:40 2021
    On 02/09/2021 09:17, Scott wrote:

    Channel TV did almost go bust during the 10 week ITV strike in 1979.
    They had their own union agreement, so were not forced off the air, but
    of course Westward TV was, so they lost all of their network programming
    and national ads. Also, at the time they had no VTR facilitates, only a
    pair of Telecine machines.  They kept themselves going by flying in
    films and TV movies from the UK and US, as well I think some commercials.
    Was there some evidence that ITV audiences increased during the strike because a lot of viewers liked the American stuff?
    I think Channel  ended up with higher ratings than normal, yes. They
    stretched their local news prog out to an hour long most nights too.

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  • From williamwright@21:1/5 to charles on Thu Sep 2 17:02:21 2021
    On 02/09/2021 08:28, charles wrote:
    In article <ipb03iFqurmU1@mid.individual.net>,
    williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
    On 01/09/2021 13:50, charles wrote:
    That's what believed, but I retired 25 years ago this month.

    You worked on until you were 85?

    Bill

    No, Bill, I'm not 110.

    Sorry Charles.I hold you in great respect and sometimes I can't resist
    'ragging the masters'.

    Bill

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