No idea if anyone still reads this group or the trolls have scared everyone off, but in case someone does , has anyone noticed the sudden prevelance of 3D style number plates where the letters are raised up plastic moulds?
Looks bloody ugly to me.
On 28/06/2021 09:27 am, MrSpud_n6@bcy363pj80qzrkeo8.co.uk wrote:
No idea if anyone still reads this group or the trolls have scared everyone >> off, but in case someone does , has anyone noticed the sudden prevelance of >> 3D style number plates where the letters are raised up plastic moulds?
Looks bloody ugly to me.
I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
For example: ><https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_NicovI_AJ4
42beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>
On 28/06/2021 09:27 am, MrSpud_n6@bcy363pj80qzrkeo8.co.uk wrote:
No idea if anyone still reads this group or the trolls have scared everyone >> off, but in case someone does , has anyone noticed the sudden prevelance of >> 3D style number plates where the letters are raised up plastic moulds?
Looks bloody ugly to me.
I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
For example: ><https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_NicovI_AJ442beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>
On JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 28/06/2021 09:27 am, MrSpud_n6@bcy363pj80qzrkeo8.co.uk wrote:
No idea if anyone still reads this group or the trolls have scared everyone >>> off, but in case someone does , has anyone noticed the sudden prevelance of >>> 3D style number plates where the letters are raised up plastic moulds?
Looks bloody ugly to me.
I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
For example:
<https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_NicovI_AJ442beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>
Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?
On 04/07/2021 12:42 am, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 28/06/2021 09:27 am, MrSpud_n6@bcy363pj80qzrkeo8.co.uk wrote:Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?
No idea if anyone still reads this group or the trolls have scared everyone
off, but in case someone does , has anyone noticed the sudden prevelance of
3D style number plates where the letters are raised up plastic moulds? >>>> Looks bloody ugly to me.
I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
For example:
<https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_N >>>icovI_AJ442beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>
They did reflect light (otherwise you wouldn't have been... er... able
to see them).
Whether that was "like the modern ones", I can't say.
It is possible that the modern ones are made with better-suited materials.
But to be accurate, the PP had only commented on their lack of beauty.
On 04/07/2021 12:42 am, Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells wrote:
On JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 28/06/2021 09:27 am, MrSpud_n6@bcy363pj80qzrkeo8.co.uk wrote:
No idea if anyone still reads this group or the trolls have scared everyone
off, but in case someone does , has anyone noticed the sudden prevelance of
3D style number plates where the letters are raised up plastic moulds? >>>> Looks bloody ugly to me.
I can remember a time when all number plates were made like that.
For example:
<https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTuIP_KU3QggtJ_NicovI_AJ442beqQZyOmdhCRrmPaJCnqmRKZKEpDOaSpR55F1TiwPjs&usqp=CAU>
Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?
They did reflect light (otherwise you wouldn't have been... er... able
to see them).
Whether that was "like the modern ones", I can't say.
It is possible that the modern ones are made with better-suited materials.
But to be accurate, the PP had only commented on their lack of beauty.
Technically speaking, yes.
Those didn't reflect light like the modern ones do, did they?
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the
front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and
not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown
that yellow was more visible than red.]
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the
front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and
not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown
that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered with >that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he gave the >obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way around a car
is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking the number or plate >colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
In message <sbufjn$nls$1@gioia.aioe.org>, MrSpud_U_mpe3@jjw.gov.uk
writes
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the >>>front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and
not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown >>>that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white >>at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered with >>that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he gave the >>obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way around a car >>is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking the number or plate >>colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
MrSpud_U_mpe3@jjw.gov.uk writes
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the
front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and
not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown
that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered
with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he
gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way>
around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
On 05/07/2021 10:18 am, Ian Jackson wrote:
MrSpud_U_mpe3@jjw.gov.uk writes
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the
front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and
not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown >>>> that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white >>> at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered
with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he
gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way>
around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
+1.
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:43:05 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 05/07/2021 10:18 am, Ian Jackson wrote:
MrSpud_U_mpe3@jjw.gov.uk writes
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the >>>>> front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and >>>>> not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown >>>>> that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white >>>> at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered >>>> with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he >>>> gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way> >>>> around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
+1.
Seriously?
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:18:37 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <sbufjn$nls$1@gioia.aioe.org>, MrSpud_U_mpe3@jjw.gov.uk
writes
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the >>>>front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and >>>>not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown >>>>that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white >>>at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered with >>>that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he gave the >>>obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way around a car >>>is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking the number or plate >>>colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
Nice try at being clever, bad luck it didn't work out. Braking is a fast >virtually subconcious action and you need to be able to tell the difference >between a car braking in front or a car coming towards you in the other >direction instantly.
Reading a numberplate however is a slow concious action
so by the time you've done it you've had plenty of time to tell which way >around the car is and which way its going.
On 05/07/2021 05:05 pm, MrSpud_dko@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:43:05 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 05/07/2021 10:18 am, Ian Jackson wrote:Seriously?
MrSpud_U_mpe3@jjw.gov.uk writes
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the >>>>>> front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and >>>>>> not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown >>>>>> that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white >>>>> at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered >>>>> with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he >>>>> gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way> >>>>> around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
+1.
Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the >specified colours of numberplates.
On 05/07/2021 05:05 pm, MrSpud_dko@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 14:43:05 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white >>>>> at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered >>>>> with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he >>>>> gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way> >>>>> around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking
the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
+1.
Seriously?
Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the >specified colours of numberplates.
In message <sbunqm$iac$1@gioia.aioe.org>, >MrSpud_r_8A031@km0gurf3edrjmfzdbo.org writes
On Mon, 5 Jul 2021 10:18:37 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <sbufjn$nls$1@gioia.aioe.org>, MrSpud_U_mpe3@jjw.gov.uk
writes
On Sun, 4 Jul 2021 09:01:48 +0100So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
the rear by making the colours different. The obvious choice for the >>>>>front was white, but (rather strangely) the rear was made yellow, and >>>>>not red. [The RoI changed to red, but, apparently, our tests had shown >>>>>that yellow was more visible than red.]
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white >>>>at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered with >>>>that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he gave the >>>>obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way around a car >>>>is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking the number or plate >>>>colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
Nice try at being clever, bad luck it didn't work out. Braking is a fast >>virtually subconcious action and you need to be able to tell the difference >>between a car braking in front or a car coming towards you in the other >>direction instantly.
Who mentioned braking?
Reading a numberplate however is a slow concious action
so by the time you've done it you've had plenty of time to tell which way >>around the car is and which way its going.
Who mentioned reading?
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
MrSpud_dko@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered >>>>>> with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he >>>>>> gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way> >>>>>> around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking >>>>>> the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
+1.
Seriously?
Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the
specified colours of numberplates.
Perhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car
is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not
useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having different colour plates is non sensical.
On 06/07/2021 09:15 am, MrSpud_m06wob@sptp.info wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
MrSpud_dko@3v5elh_f5fwkxm.edu wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
I was asked once by a foreign aquaintance why UK number plates >>>>>>>were white
at the front and yellow at the back since no other EU country bothered >>>>>>> with that. I told him so you could tell which was front and back and he >>>>>>> gave the obvious response that if you're too stupid to tell which way> >>>>>>> around a car is just from looking at it the chances of you clocking >>>>>>> the number or plate colour are pretty slim too. He had a point.
So why have we always had red lights at the rear?
+1.
Seriously?
Yes. I support the point that IJ was making by asking his question.
it isn't controversial. Every country I've ever been to has a rule that
front lights are white (or yellow!) and rear lights are red and it is
fairly obvious that the distinction would be carried through into the
specified colours of numberplates.
Perhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car
is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not
useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate
since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime
unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having >> different colour plates is non sensical.
Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on
a yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background,
and I'm inclined to agree with that.
[* I hope I'm allowed to say "black characters".]
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 06/07/2021 09:15 am, MrSpud_m06wob@sptp.info wrote:
Perhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car >>> is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not
useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate >>> since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime >>> unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having >>> different colour plates is non sensical.
Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a
yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing else will save money.
On 06/07/2021 09:15 am, MrSpud_m06wob@sptp.info wrote:
Perhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car
is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not
useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate
since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime
unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having >> different colour plates is non sensical.
Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a >yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 06/07/2021 09:15 am, MrSpud_m06wob@sptp.info wrote:
Perhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car >>>> is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not >>>> useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate >>>> since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime >>>> unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having >>>> different colour plates is non sensical.
Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a >>> yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why don't >> we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing else
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz wrote:
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 06/07/2021 09:15 am, MrSpud_m06wob@sptp.info wrote:
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why >>don'tPerhaps you missed my reply to him, but its quite useful to know if a car >>>> is braking ahead instantly without having to watch it first. It is not >>>> useful to know which way a car is facing when looking at the numberplate >>>> since at night it would be given away by the lights anyway and in daytime >>>> unless you're blind you can see from the car body itself. Therefore having >>>> different colour plates is non sensical.
Someone else has already pointed out that reading black characters* on a >>> yellow background is easier than reading them on a red background, and
I'm inclined to agree with that.
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing else
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.
In message <ikj9ncF1375U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent ><jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz wrote:
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why >>>don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing >else
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like >>reflectors.
In the dark, the direction of a parked, unlit vehicle should be
reasonably obvious by the presence of its passive red rear reflectors. >However, the use of different colour reflective plates will certainly
provide additional useful information.
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ikj9ncF1375U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
<jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz wrote:
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why >>>> don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing >> else
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.
In the dark, the direction of a parked, unlit vehicle should be
reasonably obvious by the presence of its passive red rear reflectors.
However, the use of different colour reflective plates will certainly
provide additional useful information.
Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?
On 07/07/2021 08:39 am, MrSpud_egmx@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ikj9ncF1375U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
<jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz wrote: >>>>> Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why >>>>> don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing >>> else
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.
In the dark, the direction of a parked, unlit vehicle should be
reasonably obvious by the presence of its passive red rear reflectors.
However, the use of different colour reflective plates will certainly
provide additional useful information.
Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?
The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:08:58 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 08:39 am, MrSpud_egmx@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu wrote:
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ikj9ncF1375U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
<jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz wrote: >>>>>> Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why >>>>>> don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing >>>> else
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious >>>>> even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.
In the dark, the direction of a parked, unlit vehicle should be
reasonably obvious by the presence of its passive red rear reflectors. >>>> However, the use of different colour reflective plates will certainly
provide additional useful information.
Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?
The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.
Huh? The law of what land? Not the UK I can assure you where you can park in any direction you like. Some anally retentive countries like canada might care but ironically they have the same colour plates on the front and rear.
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road >during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
In message <iklic9Fea8nU1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent ><jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Indeed. After dark you must not park on the 'wrong' side of the road
except in a designated parking space. In some countries, you must ALWAYS
park on the correct side.
Highway Code, rule 248 states: ‘you MUST NOT park on a road at night
facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised >parking space’.
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:08:58 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 08:39 am, MrSpud_egmx@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu wrote:Huh? The law of what land? Not the UK I can assure you where you can
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ikj9ncF1375U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
<jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.biz wrote: >>>>>>> Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. So why >>>>>>> don'telse
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if nothing
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is obvious >>>>>> even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like
reflectors.
In the dark, the direction of a parked, unlit vehicle should be
reasonably obvious by the presence of its passive red rear reflectors. >>>>> However, the use of different colour reflective plates will certainly >>>>> provide additional useful information.
Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?
The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.
park in
any direction you like. Some anally retentive countries like canada might
care but ironically they have the same colour plates on the front and rear. >> Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left,
white
on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white >>> on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road
during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Utter rubbish. Who told you that?
In message <iklic9Fea8nU1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:08:58 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 08:39 am, MrSpud_egmx@3dr_5we13k36c_.edu wrote:Huh? The law of what land? Not the UK I can assure you where you can
On Tue, 6 Jul 2021 20:13:05 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <ikj9ncF1375U1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
<jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
On 06/07/2021 03:37 pm, MrSpud_cBk81tiqr@qkaa_ypmhyrv0429y0.bizelse
wrote:
Probably, and reading black on white is probably even easier. >>>>>>>> So why
don't
we ditch the yellow rear plate and make them both white which if >>>>>>>> nothing
will save money.
In the dark, the distinction between front and rear plates is
obvious
even when the vehicle is not showing any other lights. A bit like >>>>>>> reflectors.
In the dark, the direction of a parked, unlit vehicle should be
reasonably obvious by the presence of its passive red rear
reflectors.
However, the use of different colour reflective plates will certainly >>>>>> provide additional useful information.
Who the hell cares which way around a car is parked in the dark?
The law of the land does, for a start. The idea is that you pass red
lights or reflectors to the right, white to their left.
park in
any direction you like. Some anally retentive countries like canada
might
care but ironically they have the same colour plates on the front and
rear.
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left,
white
on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Indeed. After dark you must not park on the 'wrong' side of the road
except in a designated parking space. In some countries, you must ALWAYS
park on the correct side.
Highway Code, rule 248 states: ‘you MUST NOT park on a road at night
facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised parking space’.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 14:49:56 +0100
Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote:
In message <iklic9Fea8nU1@mid.individual.net>, JNugent
<jennings&co@fastmail.fm> writes
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the
road during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Indeed. After dark you must not park on the 'wrong' side of the road
except in a designated parking space. In some countries, you must ALWAYS
park on the correct side.
We're not talking about other countries , we're talking about the UK and
no, you won't get a ticket for it.
Highway Code, rule 248 states: ‘you MUST NOT park on a road at night >> facing against the direction of the traffic flow unless in a recognised
parking space’.
If that ancient rule were enforced half the cars parked on suburban streets in
the UK would get a ticket.
On 07/07/2021 02:45 pm, MrSpud_iqbZ4@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white >>>> on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road >>> during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Utter rubbish. Who told you that?
The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's >terraced house.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 02:45 pm, MrSpud_iqbZ4@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white >>>>> on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road >>>> during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Utter rubbish. Who told you that?
The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.
Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.
On 07/07/2021 04:47 pm, MrSpud_j_drw5@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 02:45 pm, MrSpud_iqbZ4@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road >>>>> during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Utter rubbish. Who told you that?
The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.
Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.
It was decades ago.
The law is still in place and the same.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 04:47 pm, MrSpud_j_drw5@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 02:45 pm, MrSpud_iqbZ4@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, white
on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road >>>>>> during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Utter rubbish. Who told you that?
The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's >>>> terraced house.
Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.
It was decades ago.
The law is still in place and the same.
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of Chester until a few years back. However an unenforced law is an irrelevant law and anyone who got a ticket now for parking in the wrong direction
would almost certainly win any appeal as signs or painted lines are now required by law to inform drivers of parking restrictions.
On 08/07/2021 08:39 am, MrSpud_3adesmou7@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com wrote:
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back. However an unenforced law is an irrelevant >> law and anyone who got a ticket now for parking in the wrong direction
would almost certainly win any appeal as signs or painted lines are now
required by law to inform drivers of parking restrictions.
The law is still in place.
Not "until a few years back".
*Now*.
QUOTE:
101.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) no person shall, except with
the except with the permission of a police officer in a uniform, cause
or permit any motor vehicle to stand on a road at any time between half
an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise unless the *near*
*side* of the vehicle is as close as may be to the edge of the carriageway. >ENDQUOTE
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 08/07/2021 08:39 am, MrSpud_3adesmou7@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com wrote:
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back. However an unenforced law is an irrelevant >>> law and anyone who got a ticket now for parking in the wrong direction
would almost certainly win any appeal as signs or painted lines are now
required by law to inform drivers of parking restrictions.
The law is still in place.
Plenty of unenforced laws are still in place.
Not "until a few years back".
*Now*.
Since when is 1986 now?
QUOTE:
101.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) no person shall, except with
the except with the permission of a police officer in a uniform, cause
or permit any motor vehicle to stand on a road at any time between half
an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise unless the *near*
*side* of the vehicle is as close as may be to the edge of the carriageway. >> ENDQUOTE
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said, parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.
On 08/07/2021 12:40 pm, MrSpud_vm2uF7U3ej@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz wrote:
Since when is 1986 now?
The 1986 Act is in force now. It also specifies the condition in which a >vehicle must be maintained (lights, tyres, brakes, visibility, security
of seats, etc.).
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said, >> parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.
The one about parking with the nearside to the kerb does not need signs
or markings. Everyone knows which is the nearside of a vehicle and
everyone knows where the kerb "edge of carriageway") is.
What is your problem with this?
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 08/07/2021 12:40 pm, MrSpud_vm2uF7U3ej@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz wrote:
Since when is 1986 now?
The 1986 Act is in force now. It also specifies the condition in which a
vehicle must be maintained (lights, tyres, brakes, visibility, security
of seats, etc.).
See my example about shooting welshmen in Chester.
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said,
parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.
The one about parking with the nearside to the kerb does not need signs
or markings. Everyone knows which is the nearside of a vehicle and
everyone knows where the kerb "edge of carriageway") is.
What is your problem with this?
Its not taught in driving lessons either in the car or in the theory test.
It cannot be enforced because it would not be upheld in court. If it could councils would be making hay with it as we speak.
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 11:03:24 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 08/07/2021 08:39 am, MrSpud_3adesmou7@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com wrote:
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back. However an unenforced law is an irrelevant >>> law and anyone who got a ticket now for parking in the wrong direction
would almost certainly win any appeal as signs or painted lines are now
required by law to inform drivers of parking restrictions.
The law is still in place.
Plenty of unenforced laws are still in place.
Not "until a few years back".
*Now*.
Since when is 1986 now?
QUOTE:
101.—(1) Save as provided in paragraph (2) no person shall, except with
the except with the permission of a police officer in a uniform, cause
or permit any motor vehicle to stand on a road at any time between half
an hour after sunset and half an hour before sunrise unless the *near* >>*side* of the vehicle is as close as may be to the edge of the carriageway. >>ENDQUOTE
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said, >parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The law is still in place and the same.
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of Chester until a few years back.
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said, parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable.
On 07/07/2021 04:47 pm, MrSpud_j_drw5@6_kumjiw3lpb.gov wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 15:26:24 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 02:45 pm, MrSpud_iqbZ4@ejavm966b5308rqn34zz.net wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 12:44:09 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 07/07/2021 12:19 pm, MrSpud_6pv@l8kpn0fs3j3xh.ac.uk wrote:
Also ITYF in a RHD country like the UK it would be red on the left, >>>>>> white
on the right.
I was talking about which side of them you *pass*.
You can definitely get a FPN for parking on the "wrong" side of the road >>>>> during the hours of darkness. Even with lights on.
Utter rubbish. Who told you that?
The police officer who put the FPN on my car parked outside my mother's
terraced house.
Plods haven't dished out parking tickets for decades. Have another go.
It was decades ago.
The law is still in place and the same.
On 08/07/2021 03:43 pm, MrSpud_qfD@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org wrote:
See my example about shooting welshmen in Chester.
What about it?
Its not taught in driving lessons either in the car or in the theory test.
So what? A lot of things aren't.
On that basis, anyone who passed their test before late 1967 could argue
that the Breathalyser can't apply to them because they weren't asked
about on their driving test (there was no separate theory test then).
It cannot be enforced because it would not be upheld in court. If it could >> councils would be making hay with it as we speak.
What makes you say that the law of the land would not be upheld in court
when a prosecution is brought?
In message <sc6o6k$1dm9$1@gioia.aioe.org>, >MrSpud_vm2uF7U3ej@qv6_8no5syxtxdo776.biz writes
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 11:03:24 +0100Don't be silly. There are countless thousands of situations where laws
There is no way in hell that could or would ever be enforced now. As I said, >>parking restrictions by law need a sign or a road marking to be enforcable. >>
apply, but don't require signage to make you aware of them. And
ignorance of then law is no defence.
I'm sure a person of your calibre knows, for example, that "unless an
order has been made and the road is signed to the contrary, a 30 mph
speed limit applies where there are three or more lamps throwing light
on the carriageway and placed not more than 183 metres apart". [Google
'30 limit street lights distance'.] Or, if you want a totally ridiculous >example, when did you ever see any signs saying "Murder is illegal"?
[It's back under the bridge time,]
On 08/07/2021 08:39, MrSpud_3adesmou7@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The law is still in place and the same.
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back.
Which law was that?
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 22:30:00 +0100
Nick Finnigan <Nix@genie.co.uk> wrote:
On 08/07/2021 08:39, MrSpud_3adesmou7@ovb6wf8h1a93zy9d.com wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jul 2021 16:57:57 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
The law is still in place and the same.
So was being able to shoot a welshman with an arrow within the walls of
Chester until a few years back.
Which law was that?
www.google.com
On Thu, 8 Jul 2021 15:47:56 +0100
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
On 08/07/2021 03:43 pm, MrSpud_qfD@yu3s26wv93kgq2j7wa2ia8.org wrote:
See my example about shooting welshmen in Chester.
What about it?
Have a think.
Its not taught in driving lessons either in the car or in the theory test. >>So what? A lot of things aren't.
If it was enforced it would be rather fundamental, you know, like yellow lines >etc. In lessons during parking exercises it would certainly come up don't
you think?
On that basis, anyone who passed their test before late 1967 could argue >>that the Breathalyser can't apply to them because they weren't asked
about on their driving test (there was no separate theory test then).
You mean they won't have seen all the xmas ads and all the stories in >newspapers and on TV about drunk driving?
It cannot be enforced because it would not be upheld in court. If it could >>> councils would be making hay with it as we speak.
What makes you say that the law of the land would not be upheld in court >>when a prosecution is brought?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Freeman
Classic example of a sleazy jew shyshter.
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