• What is the biggest cause of road accidents in the UK?

    From JNugent@21:1/5 to Bod on Mon Dec 2 20:19:22 2019
    XPost: uk.rec.cycling, uk.transport

    On 02/12/2019 20:15, Bod wrote:

    The most common cause of accidents is to driver error. Over 100,000
    (108,479) crashes occured in the UK due to cars suddenly braking,
    drivers failing to look properly, poor car maneuvering and/or loss of control.2 Jul 2018

    How interesting.

    What does it have to do with cycling?

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  • From Nick Finnigan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 11 10:49:41 2020
    XPost: uk.rec.cycling, uk.transport

    On 11/01/2020 10:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on roads that accidents reduce? After all people are not tested anywhere near as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course

    Do you have much experience of software testing?

    you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a
    person.

    Secondly one of the most common things is accidents with two wheeled
    vehicles and pedestrians usually where there are misguided shared spaces or where otherwise segregated streams have to mix at junctions etc.

    And it is impossible to predict what the cyclist or pedestrians will do.

    Obviously on many higher speed roads its inexperience, on how to drive to the conditions, ie fog, ice snow and heavy rain.

    And one of the 'benefits' of autonomous vehicles is smaller gaps.

    This is due to the cocoon effect, ie a person driving at speed feels safe as the acceleration masks the speed and the time needed to stop a moving mass.

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  • From Bod@21:1/5 to Bod on Sat Jan 11 10:21:07 2020
    XPost: uk.rec.cycling, uk.transport

    On 11/01/2020 10:14, Bod wrote:
    On 11/01/2020 10:07, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
    So I am thinking could it be that when autonomous vehicles are allowed on
    roads that accidents reduce? After all people are  not tested anywhere
    near
    as much as the software is going to be in an auto drive car and of course
    you can tweak the car, but very unlikely to be able to do that with a
    person.

    Secondly one of the most common things is accidents with two wheeled
    vehicles and pedestrians usually where there are misguided shared
    spaces or
    where otherwise segregated streams have to mix at junctions etc.
      Obviously on many higher speed roads its inexperience, on how to
    drive to
    the conditions, ie fog, ice snow and heavy rain.
      This is due to the cocoon effect, ie a person driving at speed feels
    safe
    as the acceleration masks the speed and the time needed to stop a moving
    mass.
      Brian

    Totally agree with all that you said, brian.

    Only thing I'd add is , innatention, like talking on a
    phone(hopefully that at least is set on hands free), also looking at a
    Sat Nav instaed of just listening etc.

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    Bod

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  • From Nick Finnigan@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 11 20:54:46 2020
    XPost: uk.rec.cycling, uk.transport

    On 11/01/2020 14:25, TMS320 wrote:


    I expect designers have realised that suitable gaps change according to conditions.

    Do you have much experience of software designers?

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