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    From Spike@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jan 20 09:01:16 2024
    According to the National Travel Attitudes Study (NTAS), which collected responses from 2,011 individuals aged 16 and over in England and was
    published yesterday by the government, general safety concerns were also
    cited as the primary reason for discouraging cycling, along with poor
    weather and travel distances.

    However, when asked if they would be more likely to cycle, or cycle more,
    if new bike lanes were introduced in their area, only 29 per cent of respondents claimed that building new infrastructure would make them more likely to ride a bike, compared to 44 per cent who reckoned such an outcome would be unlikely (while 11 per cent, notably, believe that their area
    already has enough cycle lanes).

    …from National Travel Attitudes Survey

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    Spike

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  • From Peter Keller@21:1/5 to Spike on Sun Jan 21 20:48:02 2024
    On 20/01/24 22:01, Spike wrote:

    According to the National Travel Attitudes Study (NTAS), which collected responses from 2,011 individuals aged 16 and over in England and was published yesterday by the government, general safety concerns were also cited as the primary reason for discouraging cycling, along with poor
    weather and travel distances.

    However, when asked if they would be more likely to cycle, or cycle more,
    if new bike lanes were introduced in their area, only 29 per cent of respondents claimed that building new infrastructure would make them more likely to ride a bike, compared to 44 per cent who reckoned such an outcome would be unlikely (while 11 per cent, notably, believe that their area already has enough cycle lanes).

    …from National Travel Attitudes Survey

    With the quality of bicycle lanes being built I am not surprised.
    Entry to and exit from bike lanes are particularly dangerous.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Sun Jan 21 10:35:52 2024
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/01/24 22:01, Spike wrote:

    According to the National Travel Attitudes Study (NTAS), which collected
    responses from 2,011 individuals aged 16 and over in England and was
    published yesterday by the government, general safety concerns were also
    cited as the primary reason for discouraging cycling, along with poor
    weather and travel distances.

    However, when asked if they would be more likely to cycle, or cycle more,
    if new bike lanes were introduced in their area, only 29 per cent of
    respondents claimed that building new infrastructure would make them more
    likely to ride a bike, compared to 44 per cent who reckoned such an outcome >> would be unlikely (while 11 per cent, notably, believe that their area
    already has enough cycle lanes).

    …from National Travel Attitudes Survey

    With the quality of bicycle lanes being built I am not surprised.
    Entry to and exit from bike lanes are particularly dangerous.

    Here in the UK ‘Entering road from the pavement’ is No. 5 in the official data on the causes of cyclist deaths.

    Incidentally, it is quite unusual to have a decent discussion of cycling
    topics in this cycling newsgroup.

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    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Peter Keller on Sun Jan 21 14:08:23 2024
    On 21/01/2024 07:48 am, Peter Keller wrote:

    On 20/01/24 22:01, Spike wrote:

    According to the National Travel Attitudes Study (NTAS), which collected
    responses from 2,011 individuals aged 16 and over in England and was
    published yesterday by the government, general safety concerns were also
    cited as the primary reason for discouraging cycling, along with poor
    weather and travel distances.

    However, when asked if they would be more likely to cycle, or cycle more,
    if new bike lanes were introduced in their area, only 29 per cent of
    respondents claimed that building new infrastructure would make them more
    likely to ride a bike, compared to 44 per cent who reckoned such an
    outcome
    would be unlikely (while 11 per cent, notably, believe that their area
    already has enough cycle lanes).

    …from National Travel Attitudes Survey

    With the quality of bicycle lanes being built I am not surprised.
    Entry to and exit from bike lanes are particularly dangerous.

    That isn't necessarily the case in the UK. Practises vary the world
    over, though.

    As a parallel point, I know that entry to and egress from express and
    HOV lanes on many American freeways and toll-roads is only permitted at
    certain points. Miss your exit from the HOV lane(s) back into the
    uncontrolled lanes and you may have to pass your exit and then double back.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Sun Jan 21 14:09:46 2024
    On 21/01/2024 10:35 am, Spike wrote:
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/01/24 22:01, Spike wrote:

    According to the National Travel Attitudes Study (NTAS), which collected >>> responses from 2,011 individuals aged 16 and over in England and was
    published yesterday by the government, general safety concerns were also >>> cited as the primary reason for discouraging cycling, along with poor
    weather and travel distances.

    However, when asked if they would be more likely to cycle, or cycle more, >>> if new bike lanes were introduced in their area, only 29 per cent of
    respondents claimed that building new infrastructure would make them more >>> likely to ride a bike, compared to 44 per cent who reckoned such an outcome >>> would be unlikely (while 11 per cent, notably, believe that their area
    already has enough cycle lanes).

    …from National Travel Attitudes Survey

    With the quality of bicycle lanes being built I am not surprised.
    Entry to and exit from bike lanes are particularly dangerous.

    Here in the UK ‘Entering road from the pavement’ is No. 5 in the official data on the causes of cyclist deaths.

    Incidentally, it is quite unusual to have a decent discussion of cycling topics in this cycling newsgroup.

    That latter point is true enough. Peter is always a good contributor.

    My feeling is that so called "cycle lanes" are not even meant to help.
    Their purpose is to hinder and obstruct.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Sun Jan 21 16:27:23 2024
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 21/01/2024 10:35 am, Spike wrote:
    Peter Keller <muzhmuzh@centrum.sk> wrote:
    On 20/01/24 22:01, Spike wrote:

    According to the National Travel Attitudes Study (NTAS), which collected >>>> responses from 2,011 individuals aged 16 and over in England and was
    published yesterday by the government, general safety concerns were also >>>> cited as the primary reason for discouraging cycling, along with poor
    weather and travel distances.

    However, when asked if they would be more likely to cycle, or cycle more, >>>> if new bike lanes were introduced in their area, only 29 per cent of
    respondents claimed that building new infrastructure would make them more >>>> likely to ride a bike, compared to 44 per cent who reckoned such an outcome
    would be unlikely (while 11 per cent, notably, believe that their area >>>> already has enough cycle lanes).

    …from National Travel Attitudes Survey

    With the quality of bicycle lanes being built I am not surprised.
    Entry to and exit from bike lanes are particularly dangerous.

    Here in the UK ‘Entering road from the pavement’ is No. 5 in the official
    data on the causes of cyclist deaths.

    Incidentally, it is quite unusual to have a decent discussion of cycling
    topics in this cycling newsgroup.

    That latter point is true enough. Peter is always a good contributor.

    I’ll second that

    My feeling is that so called "cycle lanes" are not even meant to help.
    Their purpose is to hinder and obstruct.

    Quite, and the pushback against the pushbike is gaining momentum, partly as
    a result of the overbearing nature and character of cyclists combined with their lawless attitude.

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