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    From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Jan 7 17:44:47 2024
    On 07/01/2024 04:29 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    UK motorists have been warned that an immature driving act could land them with a £5,000 fine and three points on their licence.
    Amid heavy rain across the UK in recent months, and with more rain expected in the weeks ahead, drivers are being warned of a rule involving driving in puddles.

    There is no "rule" about puddles. The "rule" is rather more basic than that.

    If you drive through a puddle and splash a pedestrian, it could result in you receiving a £5,000 fine, short-term insurance firm GoShorty have highlighted.

    Well done for qualifying that with a "could".

    According to the Road Traffic Act 1988 in reference to careless and inconsiderate driving, the law is clear.
    It states: “If a person drives a mechanically propelled vehicle on a road or other public place without due care and attention, or without reasonable consideration for other persons using the road or place, he is guilty of an offence.”
    This means that speeding up through a puddle at the side of the road to splash an unsuspecting pedestrian is actually illegal and can land you a fine of up to £5,000.

    It DOES NOT "mean" that.

    It means that splashing a pedestrian MIGHT be illegal.

    It would be necessary to establish mens rea as well as actus reus (as
    you ought to be well aware, M'Lud).

    The best way to avoid this is to either slow down when going through the puddle (if safe to do so) to minimise the impact or to go around the puddle and avoid it completely (again, only if safe to do so).

    People do those things every day.

    Andy Moody, director at GoShorty, said: “Between the risk of a fine of up to £5,000 and three points on your licence, leading to an increase on your insurance premium, splashing a pedestrian could be very costly - and inconsiderate.
    "It can moreover, be difficult to prove that the act was a mistake, meaning the best way to avoid a fine is by avoiding puddles altogether - when it is safe to do so.

    What on Earth does he mean "It can moreover, be difficult to prove that
    the act was a mistake"?

    It isn't necessary to do that.

    The prosecution has the burden of proving that the action was deliberate
    or reckless. It isn't the other way round as Moody asserts.

    “We encourage all drivers to practise safety when on the roads, especially in poor conditions, and ensure they have a comprehensive insurance policy to protect themselves in case of any accidents.”
    https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/24032624.uk-drivers-warned-5-000-fine-splashing-pedestrians/

    Now... where did the chav on the bike come into it?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Jan 7 22:39:26 2024
    On 07/01/2024 08:34 pm, Simon Mason wrote:

    QUOTE: UK motorists have been warned that an immature driving act could land them with a £5,000 fine and three points on their licence. ENDS

    Immature? Drivers?
    Surely some mistake?

    QUOTE:
    This means that speeding up through a puddle at the side of the road to splash an unsuspecting pedestrian is actually illegal and can land you a fine of up to £5,000. ENDS

    That will wipe the smile of these knobhead's faces!

    When did you get soaked?

    Before you managed to get home for a few glasses of home-brew in the
    privacy of your own pit in the floor of your garage?

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Mon Jan 8 14:52:34 2024
    On 08/01/2024 09:31 am, Simon Mason wrote:

    Police are investigating after a family were soaked when a car drove through a large puddle. > The family-of-five, including three disabled children, were drenched
    "from top to toe" when the car drove by on Hearthcote Road in
    Swadlincote, Derbyshire, on Tuesday.
    Motorists who deliberately drive through a puddle with the intention of splashing someone can be prosecuted.

    We've all splashed through a puddle on a poorly-maintained and drained
    road once or twice, but how many people splash pedestrians deliberately?

    The mother described the driver's actions as "unbelievably callous".

    A description which is unbelievably ridiculous and hyperbolic.

    [Sorry for two four-syllable words. Look them up.]

    She said the family, who have asked to remain anonymous,

    Now *you're* doing it!

    Luckily, I don't have your difficulties with English, M'Lud.

    As for anonymity (oops! five syllables!), they won't be able to do that
    if the case goes to court.

    I wonder whether the driver concerned will have seen this report in the
    press or online? If the case ever progressed as far as a FPN, a diligent
    legal adviser might well recommend that the defendant takes the matter
    to court. Wouldn't you agree, M'Lud?

    were walking along the road at about 14:20 GMT near a large puddle when a white car approached them.
    After gesturing a "stopping motion" to the driver with her hand, the mother said the car "sped up" and drove through the puddle, splashing them all in the process.
    "My son is 6ft tall and he was drenched. The water went right over his head," she said.
    "My two-year-old granddaughter was screaming, 'I don't like it'. The pushchair was wet through."
    She added: "I was shocked more than anything. It's unbelievably callous."
    The woman said two of the children, aged eight and 10, have physical disabilities and were left upset.
    Splashing a pedestrian by driving through a puddle near a pavement is potentially a criminal offence, which can attract fines of up to £5,000 and add nine points to a licence, under the Road Traffic Act 1988.

    Derbyshire Police said officers were making enquiries and have appealed for information to try and trace the driver.

    Any luck so far?

    Do you ever travel in Derbyshire in your car - the one with no working windscreen wipers?

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