• Granddaughter of woman dragged under bus, Joan Scott, says driver 'dest

    From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 11:32:38 2023
    The granddaughter of a woman from Tyneside who lost both legs after being dragged under the wheels of a double-decker bus says its driver has "destroyed my whole family".

    Joan Scott, now 85, is "like a shell of what she was" following the crash on 19 September 2021, Sarah Scott said.

    When she saw on social media that a woman with a walking stick had been involved in an incident in Wallsend, she knew it was her "grandma" and went straight to the scene.

    "There were still fire engines and the bus was still there," Sarah said.

    "There were hundreds of people videotaping."

    Sarah added: "When we first got told she was going into surgery they said they would try their best to save her legs but at this point we didn't know one was amputated at the scene."

    But neither of Joan's legs could be saved.

    Now, nearly two years on, the driver of the bus, Scott Cliff, has been jailed for 27 months for causing serious injury by dangerous driving.

    He said he had closed the doors on Joan because he thought she had tried to board before without a pass.

    Cliff admitted the charge on the basis he did not know her stick was in the door when he pulled away, dragging her under the bus, and he would not have done so had he seen it.

    Now, the family are calling for all drivers to show more compassion and consideration.

    "He (Cliff) has shown no remorse whatsoever," Sarah said.

    "I really hope he reflects about the decision he made that day. He destroyed my whole family."s

    Joan spent a month in hospital before moving into a care home for six weeks and then back to her own home.

    She had recently been diagnosed with the early stages of dementia, but the crash led to a rapid decline.

    "She's like a shell of what she was," said Sarah.

    "I go in and she really has to look at you before she realises who I am."
    Sarah gave up her job to look after Joan but it "all got too much" and Joan had to move into a care home.

    Lucy Straker, campaigns manager for the road safety charity, Brake, said five people die on the UK's roads each day and "every single crash is preventable".

    "That's why we call on everyone to be as safe as possible every time we get behind the wheel, whatever vehicle we are using," she said.

    "You can go into autopilot mode and it's easy to forget how devastatingly these crashes can happen.

    "They happen in an instant and it's all about those decisions we make."

    https://news.sky.com/story/granddaughter-of-woman-dragged-under-bus-joan-scott-says-driver-destroyed-her-whole-family-12930109

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 14:02:09 2023
    QUOTE: He said he had closed the doors on Joan because he thought she had tried to board before without a pass. ENDS

    Did the 85 year old not look old enough to qualify for a bus pass?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Oct 26 20:43:23 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://news.sky.com/story/granddaughter-of-woman-dragged-under-bus-joan-scott-says-driver-destroyed-her-whole-family-12930109

    Old news: Saturday 29 July 2023

    Whatever makes you drag up this tragic story after this passage of time?
    Some might say you are - to use your own words - a CALLOUS TWAT.


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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Oct 26 21:12:56 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: He said he had closed the doors on Joan because he thought she had tried to board before without a pass. ENDS

    Did the 85 year old not look old enough to qualify for a bus pass?

    Still taking up other people’s tragedies?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 26 19:07:48 2023
    QUOTE: Now, the family are calling for all drivers to show more compassion and consideration.ENDS

    You're joking - if he hadn't been driving a bus, he'd have scarpered PDQ like hundreds of other hit and run merchants do every year.
    I'm afraid "compassion and consideration" are not in most driver's handbook.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 08:02:15 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: Now, the family are calling for all drivers to show more
    compassion and consideration.ENDS

    You're joking - if he hadn't been driving a bus, he'd have scarpered PDQ
    like hundreds of other hit and run merchants do every year.
    I'm afraid "compassion and consideration" are not in most driver's handbook.

    They have taken a leaf from the Little Red Book of TCCB.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 01:29:27 2023
    QUOTE: The granddaughter of a woman from Tyneside who lost both legs after being dragged under the wheels of a double-decker bus says its driver has "destroyed my whole family".ENDS

    That's what drivers do - destroy hundreds of INNOCENT people's lives EVERY DAY.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 09:42:11 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: The granddaughter of a woman from Tyneside who lost both legs
    after being dragged under the wheels of a double-decker bus says its
    driver has "destroyed my whole family".ENDS

    That's what drivers do - destroy hundreds of INNOCENT people's lives EVERY DAY.

    Auriol Grey was minding her own business, walking to the shops, when a
    pavement cyclist appeared…

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 03:19:05 2023
    QUOTE: Now, nearly two years on, the driver of the bus, Scott Cliff, has been jailed for 27 months for causing serious injury by dangerous driving.ENDS

    Not really a proper sentence for the life he has ruined forever.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 12:18:37 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: Now, nearly two years on, the driver of the bus, Scott Cliff, has
    been jailed for 27 months for causing serious injury by dangerous driving.ENDS

    Not really a proper sentence for the life he has ruined forever.

    So what would constitute a ‘proper sentence’?

    You seem to be under the misapprehension that one should be sentenced for
    the results of a crime rather than the crime itself.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 06:16:00 2023
    QUOTE:There were hundreds of people videotaping." ENDS

    Wrong on both counts. :-0

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 14:53:25 2023
    On 27/10/2023 03:07 am, Simon Mason wrote:

    QUOTE: Now, the family are calling for all chav-cyclists to show more compassion and consideration.ENDS

    You're joking - if he hadn't been driving a bus, he'd have scarpered PDQ like hundreds of other hit and run chav-cyclists do every year.
    I'm afraid "compassion and consideration" are not in most driver's handbook [sic].

    Fixed some of it for you.

    The last bit was too delicious to alter.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 14:54:48 2023
    On 27/10/2023 09:29 am, Simon Mason wrote:

    QUOTE: The granddaughter of a woman from Tyneside who lost both legs after being dragged under the wheels of a double-decker bus says its driver has "destroyed my whole family".ENDS

    That's what drivers do - destroy hundreds of INNOCENT people's [sic] lives EVERY DAY.

    You're getting funnier by the minute.

    Would you like a link to "English Grammar and Syntax for Dummies"?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 08:15:27 2023
    On Friday, October 27, 2023 at 2:16:02 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    QUOTE:There were hundreds of people videotaping." ENDS

    Wrong on both counts. :-0

    Maybe they still use videotapes in Brexit loving North East towns?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 16:06:22 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    Maybe they still use videotapes in Brexit loving North East towns?

    Video Tape Transfer to DVD or File. VHS, VHSc, Hi8, MiniDV, 8mm Camcorder
    Video Conversion

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    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 10:53:29 2023
    QUOTE: > Lucy Straker, campaigns manager for the road safety charity, Brake, said five people die on the UK's roads each day and "every single crash is preventable. ENDS

    Ah but "Rhiannon" from SIXTEEN YEARS ago, or something.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Fri Oct 27 21:58:38 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: > Lucy Straker, campaigns manager for the road safety charity,
    Brake, said five people die on the UK's roads each day and "every single crash is preventable. ENDS

    Then so are the ~20% of cyclist road deaths that involve no other vehicle.

    What are the cycling groups doing about it, apart from sticking their heads
    up their backsides.

    Ah but "Rhiannon" from SIXTEEN YEARS ago, or something.

    Miscarriages of justice are like that. You’ll be hearing more about Auriol Grey, as well. Keep an eye out for references to Sakine Cihan, too.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 27 22:17:50 2023
    QUOTE: "You can go into autopilot mode and it's easy to forget how devastatingly these crashes can happen. ENDS

    What the hell is "autopilot mode" in the world of car drivers?
    Driving in a trance?

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Oct 28 08:01:43 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    QUOTE: "You can go into autopilot mode and it's easy to forget how devastatingly these crashes can happen. ENDS

    What the hell is "autopilot mode" in the world of car drivers?
    Driving in a trance?

    I think you’re on to something there, because something must be causing
    those ~20% of cyclist deaths arising from SVAs. Magic mushrooms? Home-brew swilled in a garage pit? Heavy night at the pub?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 28 03:53:10 2023
    QUOTE: Lucy Straker, campaigns manager for the road safety charity, Brake, said five people die on the UK's roads each day and "every single crash is preventable". ENDS


    Don't forget the SEVENTY people seriously injured by drivers EVERY DAY as well.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Oct 28 12:29:24 2023
    On 28/10/2023 06:17 am, Simon Mason wrote:

    QUOTE: "You can go into autopilot mode and it's easy to forget how devastatingly these crashes can happen. ENDS

    What the hell is "autopilot mode" in the world of car drivers?

    Good question. Put it to the person who is quoted as saying: "You can go
    into autopilot mode and it's easy to forget..."

    Driving in a trance?

    Any evidence for that?

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Oct 28 06:13:27 2023
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:53:12 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    QUOTE: Lucy Straker, campaigns manager for the road safety charity, Brake, said five people die on the UK's roads each day and "every single crash is preventable". ENDS


    Don't forget the SEVENTY people seriously injured by drivers EVERY DAY as well.

    Goodness knows the vast number of slight injuries - must run into thousands.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Oct 28 22:25:08 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, October 28, 2023 at 11:53:12 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    QUOTE: Lucy Straker, campaigns manager for the road safety charity,
    Brake, said five people die on the UK's roads each day and "every single
    crash is preventable". ENDS


    Don't forget the SEVENTY people seriously injured by drivers EVERY DAY as well.

    Goodness knows the vast number of slight injuries - must run into thousands.

    When I started motorcycling, there were more than 20 road deaths a day from
    5 million vehicles on the road.

    Now it’s five a day from 40 million.

    Your exercise for today: calculate the improvement in road safety over that period.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 29 00:55:06 2023
    QUOTE: Joan spent a month in hospital before moving into a care home for six weeks and then back to her own home. ENDS

    I spent four months in hospital and even went to their Christmas party!

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