• Cycling charity accuses Conservatives of "ill-fated attempt to win" vot

    From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 10:25:39 2023
    Cycling UK has responded to the speech made by Transport Secretary Mark Harper this morning at the Conservative Party's conference in Manchester, accusing the government of being "intent on undermining" some of the "most successful transport policies of
    recent years" in an "ill-fated attempt to win support" ahead of the next general election.

    Harper followed up on Rishi Sunak's comments from Friday about halting the so-called "war on motorists" with a promise that the Conservative Party is "proudly pro-car" and a pledge to introduce a number of pro-motorist policies.

    The head of the Department for Transport said he would review guidance on 20mph speed limits in England and opposes their blanket use, would continue the review into low-traffic neighbourhoods, and aims "to stop councils implementing 15-minute cities".

    One eyebrow-raising quote came in the form of claiming "sinister" 15-minute city misuse could see "local councils deciding how often you can go to the shops", a claim former BBC Newsnight host Emily Maitlis said amounted to "conspiracy".

    "It is sinister. It's also not remotely true," she wrote on Twitter. "Would love to hear from any local council that is now 'deciding how often you can go to the shops' in case we have this wrong? We are now in a brand new world where policies that were
    never going to happen are being 'cancelled', or where we are being saved from 'sinister' practices that don't actually exist. That's called conspiracy."

    "Like trying to complete a jigsaw with half the pieces missing"

    Reacting to the speech Sarah Mitchell, Cycling UK's chief executive, called on the government to produce a plan that considers all modes of transport, not just for those who drive cars, and suggested the government "seems intent on undermining" some of
    the "most successful transport policies" of recent years.

    She said: "When Beeching took an axe to local railways in the 1960s, we were robbed of the freedom to choose how we travel. The government's reported 'plan for the motorist' feels like history repeating itself.

    "We need a holistic plan for how people can travel — not a plan that zooms in on one particular mode of transport. A plan that gives us the freedom to choose how we travel, maximising our ability to opt for healthy, cheap and convenient options.

    "Better public transport, and safer ways for people to cycle and walk are entirely compatible with driving. Focusing on one way of travelling is like trying to complete a jigsaw with half the pieces missing.

    "No.10 seems intent on undermining some of the government's most successful transport policies of recent years. Ministers should be proud of their achievements on walking and cycling rather than ditching them in an ill-fated attempt to win support in
    advance of the general election."

    The Department for Transport said its plan will "support drivers and put the brakes on anti-car measures", and includes measures involving 20mph speed limits, low-traffic neighbourhoods, 15-minute cities, bus lanes and parking, Harper's speech also
    touching on more vague promises about fines, potholes and how resignalling traffic lights can reduce traffic jams.

    "For most people, the most important mode of transport remains the car, the van, the lorry, the motorbike," he told his party's conference. "But from listening to certain corners of the metropolitan bubble, you would think that owning a car was immoral,
    a dirty habit, an optional extra in people's lives.

    "Politicians like Sir Keir Starmer, Sadiq Khan, and Mark Drakeford are only interested in the short term, taking the easy way out, and making decisions that hammer motorists to seek praise from social media and London newspapers."

    Harper's comments came a few days after the prime minister initially mentioned their proposal, before a weekend when active travel commissioner Chris Boardman had urged Sunak to "stick with" active travel policies.

    Boardman argued that making it easier for people to drive would only encourage more people to do so, in turn putting more cars on the road, discouraging people who otherwise might cycle their journeys, and also subsequently making the roads "miserable"
    for drivers.

    The head of Active Travel England also admitted Sunak's election-friendly language such as "slamming the brakes on the war on motorists" is "not the language I would choose".

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-charity-slams-ill-fated-attempt-win-votes-304235

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Mon Oct 2 21:14:52 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    Cycling UK has responded to the speech made by Transport Secretary Mark Harper this morning at the Conservative Party's conference in Manchester

    One eyebrow-raising quote came in the form of claiming "sinister"
    15-minute city misuse could see "local councils deciding how often you
    can go to the shops", a claim former BBC Newsnight host Emily Maitlis
    said amounted to "conspiracy".

    "It is sinister. It's also not remotely true," she wrote on Twitter.
    "Would love to hear from any local council that is now 'deciding how
    often you can go to the shops' in case we have this wrong? We are now in
    a brand new world where policies that were never going to happen are
    being 'cancelled', or where we are being saved from 'sinister' practices
    that don't actually exist. That's called conspiracy."

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-charity-slams-ill-fated-attempt-win-votes-304235

    Well, Emily, why don’t you contact Oxford CC?

    QUOTE

    Oxford council chiefs “covered up” data that risked “jeopardising” its controversial climate zones, which will ban residents from travelling
    directly between suburbs, The Telegraph can disclose.

    Six traffic filters, described as “bus gates”, will close off arterial roads to cars in an attempt to relieve congestion and promote cycling in a trial starting next year.

    Local drivers will be given 100-day annual permits to cross the boundaries
    – or 25-day permits if they live outside the city – and fined £70 on other days unless they take a detour onto the ring road, with buses, HGVs,
    cyclists and blue-badge holders exempt.

    UNQUOTE

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    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 2 23:58:58 2023
    eburtthebike | 4686 posts | 11 hours ago
    3 likes

    We now have a government that is living in a fantasy: that they can get re-elected by pretending to support downtrodden drivers. Or they think we are stupid enough to believe them when they talk about utterly ridiculous conspiracy theories that they don'
    t actually believe themselves.

    This is the politics of the Sun and the Mail, or perhaps Goebells and Stalin "A lie repeated enough times becomes the truth." Make no mistake, the Sun, Mail, Telegraph etc will be repeating these lies ad infinitum up to the next election, and the BBC
    will be too, in the name of balance.

    We not only need proportional representation to replace first past the post, which denies most people the government they want, we need some way of booting out a government when they are clearly deluded.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Tue Oct 3 15:07:54 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    eburtthebike | 4686 posts | 11 hours ago
    3 likes

    We now have a government that is living in a fantasy: that they can get re-elected by pretending to support downtrodden drivers. Or they think
    we are stupid enough to believe them when they talk about utterly
    ridiculous conspiracy theories that they don't actually believe themselves.

    This is the politics of the Sun and the Mail, or perhaps Goebells and
    Stalin "A lie repeated enough times becomes the truth." Make no mistake,
    the Sun, Mail, Telegraph etc will be repeating these lies ad infinitum up
    to the next election, and the BBC will be too, in the name of balance.

    We not only need proportional representation to replace first past the
    post, which denies most people the government they want, we need some way
    of booting out a government when they are clearly deluded.

    A deluded government? Like Blair’s supine one that allowed him to order our forces to take part in an illegal invasion in the Middle East?

    You Marxists have very short memories, when it suits you.

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    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Tue Oct 3 08:35:19 2023
    HoarseMann replied to eburtthebike | 19 hours ago
    6 likes

    If you need cheering up, just watch Hunt squirming when he's forced to admit he flew from London to Manchester - whilst standing in an old railway station, dodging questions about HS2...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001r3mq/breakfast-02102023 (link is external)

    (1h 38min 15s in - only available until tomorrow morning)

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Thu Oct 5 17:15:38 2023
    On 02/10/2023 10:14 pm, Spike wrote:

    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    Cycling UK has responded to the speech made by Transport Secretary Mark
    Harper this morning at the Conservative Party's conference in Manchester

    One eyebrow-raising quote came in the form of claiming "sinister"
    15-minute city misuse could see "local councils deciding how often you
    can go to the shops", a claim former BBC Newsnight host Emily Maitlis
    said amounted to "conspiracy".

    "It is sinister. It's also not remotely true," she wrote on Twitter.
    "Would love to hear from any local council that is now 'deciding how
    often you can go to the shops' in case we have this wrong? We are now in
    a brand new world where policies that were never going to happen are
    being 'cancelled', or where we are being saved from 'sinister' practices
    that don't actually exist. That's called conspiracy."

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-charity-slams-ill-fated-attempt-win-votes-304235

    Well, Emily, why don’t you contact Oxford CC?

    QUOTE

    Oxford council chiefs “covered up” data that risked “jeopardising” its
    controversial climate zones, which will ban residents from travelling directly between suburbs, The Telegraph can disclose.

    Six traffic filters, described as “bus gates”, will close off arterial roads to cars in an attempt to relieve congestion and promote cycling in a trial starting next year.

    Local drivers will be given 100-day annual permits to cross the boundaries – or 25-day permits if they live outside the city – and fined £70 on other
    days unless they take a detour onto the ring road, with buses, HGVs,
    cyclists and blue-badge holders exempt.

    UNQUOTE


    "...cross the boundaries..."

    And then they complain that their controlling behaviour is being
    unfairly characterised.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 10:05:59 2023
    It is amazing, isn't it, that millions of Blighters seem happy - eager - to ignore Toryspiv predations on their life and well-being in favour of accepting the Toryspiv nominations for various pariahs and scapegoats. Tory voters without the share
    portfolio or vast swathes of property (that might explain their vote for The Nasty Party of Exploiters and Rentiers) are also happy to vote Tory - for an even more degraded life - as long as they can watch some immigrants, welfare claimants, dark-skinned
    people or even cyclists villified, pursued and persecuted.

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to JNugent on Thu Oct 5 21:26:47 2023
    JNugent <jnugent@mail.com> wrote:
    On 02/10/2023 10:14 pm, Spike wrote:

    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    Cycling UK has responded to the speech made by Transport Secretary Mark
    Harper this morning at the Conservative Party's conference in Manchester

    One eyebrow-raising quote came in the form of claiming "sinister"
    15-minute city misuse could see "local councils deciding how often you
    can go to the shops", a claim former BBC Newsnight host Emily Maitlis
    said amounted to "conspiracy".

    "It is sinister. It's also not remotely true," she wrote on Twitter.
    "Would love to hear from any local council that is now 'deciding how
    often you can go to the shops' in case we have this wrong? We are now in >>> a brand new world where policies that were never going to happen are
    being 'cancelled', or where we are being saved from 'sinister' practices >>> that don't actually exist. That's called conspiracy."

    https://road.cc/content/news/cycling-charity-slams-ill-fated-attempt-win-votes-304235

    Well, Emily, why don’t you contact Oxford CC?

    QUOTE

    Oxford council chiefs “covered up” data that risked “jeopardising” its
    controversial climate zones, which will ban residents from travelling
    directly between suburbs, The Telegraph can disclose.

    Six traffic filters, described as “bus gates”, will close off arterial >> roads to cars in an attempt to relieve congestion and promote cycling in a >> trial starting next year.

    Local drivers will be given 100-day annual permits to cross the boundaries >> – or 25-day permits if they live outside the city – and fined £70 on other
    days unless they take a detour onto the ring road, with buses, HGVs,
    cyclists and blue-badge holders exempt.

    UNQUOTE

    "...cross the boundaries..."

    And then they complain that their controlling behaviour is being
    unfairly characterised.

    Exactly.

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    Spike

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Thu Oct 5 21:26:49 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:

    It is amazing, isn't it, that millions of Blighters seem happy - eager -
    to ignore Toryspiv predations on their life and well-being in favour of accepting the Toryspiv nominations for various pariahs and scapegoats.
    Tory voters without the share portfolio or vast swathes of property (that might explain their vote for The Nasty Party of Exploiters and Rentiers)
    are also happy to vote Tory - for an even more degraded life - as long as they can watch some immigrants, welfare claimants, dark-skinned people or even cyclists villified, pursued and persecuted.

    Those sentiments are straight out of Chairman Mao’s Little Red Book.

    --
    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 5 23:12:04 2023
    eburtthebike replied to HoarseMann | 2 days ago
    7 likes

    I quite liked the picture of Mark Harper, Transport Mininster, with his modest audience huddled in a corner so that the photo made it look like it was crowded.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/385852899_327570756627782_2252294769217371110_n.jpg

    :-0

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Oct 21 06:49:16 2023
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    eburtthebike replied to HoarseMann | 2 days ago
    7 likes

    I quite liked the picture of Mark Harper, Transport Mininster, with his modest audience huddled in a corner so that the photo made it look like it was crowded.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/385852899_327570756627782_2252294769217371110_n.jpg

    :-0

    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Oct 21 14:57:21 2023
    On 21/10/2023 02:49 pm, Simon Mason wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    eburtthebike replied to HoarseMann | 2 days ago
    7 likes

    I quite liked the picture of Mark Harper, Transport Mininster, with his modest audience huddled in a corner so that the photo made it look like it was crowded.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/385852899_327570756627782_2252294769217371110_n.jpg

    :-0

    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)

    Thank you for answering my very recent post in this thread, otherwise
    dormant since 06/10/23.

    It's amazing that you managed to do it without reading my post.

    And even more amazing, if you are going to be your usual mendacious self
    and deny that it was a response to mine, that Thunderbird has it marked
    as a treed response to my post of 14:33 today.

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 21 14:33:26 2023
    What on Earth is a "cycling charity"?

    Chavs on their chav-bikes are among the *least* charitable and most self-centred people on the face of said Earth.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sat Oct 21 09:06:25 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 2:49:18 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    eburtthebike replied to HoarseMann | 2 days ago
    7 likes

    I quite liked the picture of Mark Harper, Transport Mininster, with his modest audience huddled in a corner so that the photo made it look like it was crowded.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/385852899_327570756627782_2252294769217371110_n.jpg

    :-0
    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)

    Although they're still in denial mode. :-)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8-bzU3WQAE8hag?format=jpg&name=medium

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Oct 22 07:59:56 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 2:49:18 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    On Friday, October 6, 2023 at 7:12:06 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    eburtthebike replied to HoarseMann | 2 days ago
    7 likes

    I quite liked the picture of Mark Harper, Transport Mininster, with his
    modest audience huddled in a corner so that the photo made it look like it was crowded.

    https://cdn.road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/385852899_327570756627782_2252294769217371110_n.jpg


    :-0
    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)

    Although they're still in denial mode. :-)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8-bzU3WQAE8hag?format=jpg&name=medium

    Starmer will have a hard time controlling the Loony Left in his party, even more so if they are elected.

    Do you think he will try for an illegal war somewhere?

    The Labour Party has form for doing that.

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    Spike

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Oct 22 03:35:38 2023
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:06:26 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:


    :-0
    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)
    Although they're still in denial mode. :-)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8-bzU3WQAE8hag?format=jpg&name=medium

    She's "education" secretary, FFS! :-)

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  • From Spike@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Oct 22 12:51:44 2023
    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:06:26 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:


    :-0
    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)
    Although they're still in denial mode. :-)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8-bzU3WQAE8hag?format=jpg&name=medium

    She's "education" secretary, FFS! :-)

    Anyone know what Mason’s point is?

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    Spike

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  • From JNugent@21:1/5 to Spike on Sun Oct 22 15:31:37 2023
    On 22/10/2023 01:51 pm, Spike wrote:

    Simon Mason <swldxer1958@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:06:26 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:


    :-0
    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)
    Although they're still in denial mode. :-)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8-bzU3WQAE8hag?format=jpg&name=medium

    She's "education" secretary, FFS! :-)

    Anyone know what Mason’s point is?

    Of course not.

    He doesn't even understand what education actually is.

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  • From Simon Mason@21:1/5 to Simon Mason on Sun Oct 22 08:05:42 2023
    On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 11:35:39 AM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:
    On Saturday, October 21, 2023 at 5:06:26 PM UTC+1, Simon Mason wrote:


    :-0
    The Tories have been hammered twice at the polls since then. :-)
    Although they're still in denial mode. :-)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F8-bzU3WQAE8hag?format=jpg&name=medium
    She's "education" secretary, FFS! :-)

    No swing to Labour she insists - it was >20% though in fact.

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