Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a carIs this your next anti-left wing thread?
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Anyone else come across this outrage?
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Anyone else come across this outrage?
On 15/03/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a carIs this your next anti-left wing thread?
;-)
On 15/03/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Anyone else come across this outrage?
What vehicle? Sounds weird to me. Why only the rear?
Knock-on hubs are of course handed. But I was interested to discover
they are not always the same way around: this from a UK sports car forum
"Yes the Elan knock ons are the opposite way around to all other knock ons. It's all abit complicated to explain the physics of it all.
Basically it's dependent on whether the cone on the spinner fits into or
onto the cone on the wheel.
Splined wire wheel hubs have an external cone.
The Elan steel wheels have an internal cone.
These combinations effectively have an influence over the "self
tightening effect" & are dependent on which side of the car they are
fitted to.
There is a story about Chapman explaining the theory of this by placing
and spinning an egg cup inside a napkin ring to show the influece of
counter rotation to his "lesser engineers"
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Helps to stop them loosening.
Anyone else come across this outrage?
Only ever heard of it on lorries. How old/big is the car? Wouldn‘t put it past RR doing it as obviously no owner is going to dirty their hands on the wheel nuts when they have a man for that sort of thing. ;-)
In article <t0r22r$mb0$1@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15/03/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Anyone else come across this outrage?
What vehicle? Sounds weird to me. Why only the rear?
Knock-on hubs are of course handed. But I was interested to discover
they are not always the same way around: this from a UK sports car forum
"Yes the Elan knock ons are the opposite way around to all other knock ons. >> It's all abit complicated to explain the physics of it all.
Basically it's dependent on whether the cone on the spinner fits into or
onto the cone on the wheel.
Splined wire wheel hubs have an external cone.
The Elan steel wheels have an internal cone.
These combinations effectively have an influence over the "self
tightening effect" & are dependent on which side of the car they are
fitted to.
There is a story about Chapman explaining the theory of this by placing
and spinning an egg cup inside a napkin ring to show the influece of
counter rotation to his "lesser engineers"
It is common on a centre lock wheel. But not so much with stud fixing
types.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 14:43:49 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)" <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <t0r22r$mb0$1@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15/03/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Anyone else come across this outrage?
What vehicle? Sounds weird to me. Why only the rear?
Knock-on hubs are of course handed. But I was interested to discover
they are not always the same way around: this from a UK sports car forum
"Yes the Elan knock ons are the opposite way around to all other knock ons.
It's all abit complicated to explain the physics of it all.
Basically it's dependent on whether the cone on the spinner fits into or >> onto the cone on the wheel.
Splined wire wheel hubs have an external cone.
The Elan steel wheels have an internal cone.
These combinations effectively have an influence over the "self
tightening effect" & are dependent on which side of the car they are
fitted to.
There is a story about Chapman explaining the theory of this by placing
and spinning an egg cup inside a napkin ring to show the influece of
counter rotation to his "lesser engineers"
It is common on a centre lock wheel. But not so much with stud fixing >types.
That's what I was getting at. I can't see the point unless it's one
single securing fixture on the axis of the drive shaft.
In article <pi343h9c024735took5cfbt7i4k5nsaamb@4ax.com>,
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 14:43:49 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <t0r22r$mb0$1@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15/03/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Anyone else come across this outrage?
What vehicle? Sounds weird to me. Why only the rear?
Knock-on hubs are of course handed. But I was interested to discover
they are not always the same way around: this from a UK sports car forum >>>
"Yes the Elan knock ons are the opposite way around to all other knock ons.
It's all abit complicated to explain the physics of it all.
Basically it's dependent on whether the cone on the spinner fits into or >>>> onto the cone on the wheel.
Splined wire wheel hubs have an external cone.
The Elan steel wheels have an internal cone.
These combinations effectively have an influence over the "self
tightening effect" & are dependent on which side of the car they are
fitted to.
There is a story about Chapman explaining the theory of this by placing >>>> and spinning an egg cup inside a napkin ring to show the influece of
counter rotation to his "lesser engineers"
It is common on a centre lock wheel. But not so much with stud fixing
types.
That's what I was getting at. I can't see the point unless it's one
single securing fixture on the axis of the drive shaft.
It could be Rolls originally had centre fix wheels. So when they moved
over to studs, kept the left hand direction to avoid confusing the
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over
with later models to what was then the norm.
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over
with later models to what was then the norm.
On 17/03/2022 14:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
<snip>
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over
with later models to what was then the norm.
And that's a whole different issue.
So which side do you consider the correct side? My Nissan has it on RHS
and looking in owners manual shows this is for RHD and they make a
different set of stalks for LHD with it on LHS. Mazda and Toyota put it
on LHS, at least for Europe including UK.
My view is it should be RHS in RHD and LHS for LDH. that enables the
driver to indicate while changing gear.
On 17/03/2022 14:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article <pi343h9c024735took5cfbt7i4k5nsaamb@4ax.com>,But it was only on the *rear* wheel.
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 14:43:49 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <t0r22r$mb0$1@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15/03/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car
today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point?
Anyone else come across this outrage?
What vehicle? Sounds weird to me. Why only the rear?
Knock-on hubs are of course handed. But I was interested to discover >>>>> they are not always the same way around: this from a UK sports car forum >>>>
"Yes the Elan knock ons are the opposite way around to all other knock ons.
It's all abit complicated to explain the physics of it all.
Basically it's dependent on whether the cone on the spinner fits into or >>>>> onto the cone on the wheel.
Splined wire wheel hubs have an external cone.
The Elan steel wheels have an internal cone.
These combinations effectively have an influence over the "self
tightening effect" & are dependent on which side of the car they are >>>>> fitted to.
There is a story about Chapman explaining the theory of this by placing >>>>> and spinning an egg cup inside a napkin ring to show the influece of >>>>> counter rotation to his "lesser engineers"
It is common on a centre lock wheel. But not so much with stud fixing
types.
That's what I was getting at. I can't see the point unless it's one
single securing fixture on the axis of the drive shaft.
It could be Rolls originally had centre fix wheels. So when they moved
over to studs, kept the left hand direction to avoid confusing the
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over
with later models to what was then the norm.
Um, we don‘t know that. Doom never said anything about the N/S front. It would be crazy just to have it on one rear wheel. Having LH threaded nuts
on the N/S is at least a real thing on some vehicles, usually heavy, older lorries.
It could be Rolls originally had centre fix wheels. So when they moved
over to studs, kept the left hand direction to avoid confusing the chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over with later models to what was then the norm.
But it was only on the *rear* wheel.
Also, knock-on hubs were AFAIK always asymmetric: you hammered the
square face to knock them off, but the angled one to put them back.
In article <t107mu$fjj$2@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
It could be Rolls originally had centre fix wheels. So when they movedBut it was only on the *rear* wheel.
over to studs, kept the left hand direction to avoid confusing the
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over >>> with later models to what was then the norm.
I'd guess someone has fitted a non standard rear axle.
Also, knock-on hubs were AFAIK always asymmetric: you hammered the
square face to knock them off, but the angled one to put them back.
Never seen the type that are a nut?
IIRC, most UK cars had the indicator stalk on the right until the late
70s (enabling drivers to simultaneously change gear with the left hand,
and indicate with the right little finger while still holding the
wheel). After the change (which I presume was in the 'interests of
global standardization'), we soon adapted - but some Japanese were the
last to conform. I recall being pleasantly surprised when I hired a
Toyota Corolla in Ireland, and found it was 'right hand wink'.
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
On 17/03/2022 14:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article <pi343h9c024735took5cfbt7i4k5nsaamb@4ax.com>,But it was only on the *rear* wheel.
Cursitor Doom <cd@notformail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2022 14:43:49 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
In article <t0r22r$mb0$1@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
On 15/03/2022 18:18, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Came across wheel studs with L-H threads on the n/s rear of a car >>>>>>> today. Never encountered that before! What on earth is the point? >>>>>>> Anyone else come across this outrage?
What vehicle? Sounds weird to me. Why only the rear?
Knock-on hubs are of course handed. But I was interested to discover >>>>>> they are not always the same way around: this from a UK sports car forum >>>>>
"Yes the Elan knock ons are the opposite way around to all other knock ons.
It's all abit complicated to explain the physics of it all.
Basically it's dependent on whether the cone on the spinner fits into or >>>>>> onto the cone on the wheel.
Splined wire wheel hubs have an external cone.
The Elan steel wheels have an internal cone.
These combinations effectively have an influence over the "self
tightening effect" & are dependent on which side of the car they are >>>>>> fitted to.
There is a story about Chapman explaining the theory of this by placing >>>>>> and spinning an egg cup inside a napkin ring to show the influece of >>>>>> counter rotation to his "lesser engineers"
It is common on a centre lock wheel. But not so much with stud fixing >>>>> types.
That's what I was getting at. I can't see the point unless it's one
single securing fixture on the axis of the drive shaft.
It could be Rolls originally had centre fix wheels. So when they moved
over to studs, kept the left hand direction to avoid confusing the
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over >>> with later models to what was then the norm.
Um, we don’t know that. Doom never said anything about the N/S front. It >would be crazy just to have it on one rear wheel. Having LH threaded nuts
on the N/S is at least a real thing on some vehicles, usually heavy, older >lorries.
Not on a car, unless you are counting the ones on racing cars. (I have
used flogging spanners on pressure vessel flange nuts).
Not on a car, unless you are counting the ones on racing cars. (I have
used flogging spanners on pressure vessel flange nuts).
I believe that some Series 3 E Type Jaguars were fitted with wire wheels which were secured by a nut which had no "ears" and that some sort of (possibly octagonal) flogging spanner thingy was used to tighten them.
This might have been a requirement for the US market - but a lot of
later E Types had steel wheels anyway.
On 18/03/2022 15:40, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article <t107mu$fjj$2@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
It could be Rolls originally had centre fix wheels. So when they moved >>> over to studs, kept the left hand direction to avoid confusing theBut it was only on the *rear* wheel.
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over >>> with later models to what was then the norm.
I'd guess someone has fitted a non standard rear axle.
Also, knock-on hubs were AFAIK always asymmetric: you hammered the
square face to knock them off, but the angled one to put them back.
Never seen the type that are a nut?
Not on a car, unless you are counting the ones on racing cars. (I have
used flogging spanners on pressure vessel flange nuts).
In message <t10hsb$g23$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com> writes
On 17/03/2022 14:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
<snip>
chauffeur. They did similar with their first stalk indicators. On the
wrong side due to the column gearchange on their autos. But swapped over >>> with later models to what was then the norm.
And that's a whole different issue.
So which side do you consider the correct side? My Nissan has it on
RHS and looking in owners manual shows this is for RHD and they make a
different set of stalks for LHD with it on LHS. Mazda and Toyota put
it on LHS, at least for Europe including UK.
My view is it should be RHS in RHD and LHS for LDH. that enables the
driver to indicate while changing gear.
IIRC, most UK cars had the indicator stalk on the right until the late
70s (enabling drivers to simultaneously change gear with the left hand,
and indicate with the right little finger while still holding the
wheel). After the change (which I presume was in the 'interests of
global standardization'), we soon adapted - but some Japanese were the
last to conform. I recall being pleasantly surprised when I hired a
Toyota Corolla in Ireland, and found it was 'right hand wink'.
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