• Battery going flat

    From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 27 18:57:18 2021
    Gentlemen,

    We've all had this problem at some time or other. Your car's battery
    doesn't stay charged for extended periods. Maybe it's 2 weeks, maybe 2
    or 3 days. Something is leaching current from your battery and if it's something more involved than a simple boot light not turning off, you
    could be in for a world of pain.
    In the old days before everything got crazy, we'd just pull fuses one
    by one and find the circuit repsonsible easily enough. But things have
    changed and your car now has a brain and likes to remain sentient at
    all times. This can be a major PITA as it means you may have to wait
    anything up to 2 hours between fuse-pulls for the systems to settle
    down again into a genuine quiescent state. And given the sheer number
    of fuses in a modern car, you may be looking at a *huge* amount of
    time to get through them all properly. However, there *is* an
    alternative which overcomes these issues. This helpful hillbilly
    explains how to go about it - and all you need is a cheapo DVM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcj1fQcWwU

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  • From newshound@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Sun Jun 27 20:35:48 2021
    On 27/06/2021 18:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Gentlemen,

    We've all had this problem at some time or other. Your car's battery
    doesn't stay charged for extended periods. Maybe it's 2 weeks, maybe 2
    or 3 days. Something is leaching current from your battery and if it's something more involved than a simple boot light not turning off, you
    could be in for a world of pain.
    In the old days before everything got crazy, we'd just pull fuses one
    by one and find the circuit repsonsible easily enough. But things have changed and your car now has a brain and likes to remain sentient at
    all times. This can be a major PITA as it means you may have to wait
    anything up to 2 hours between fuse-pulls for the systems to settle
    down again into a genuine quiescent state. And given the sheer number
    of fuses in a modern car, you may be looking at a *huge* amount of
    time to get through them all properly. However, there *is* an
    alternative which overcomes these issues. This helpful hillbilly
    explains how to go about it - and all you need is a cheapo DVM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcj1fQcWwU

    Useful.

    Oddly enough my van battery just flattened unexpectedly.

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  • From newshound@21:1/5 to newshound on Sun Jun 27 20:40:55 2021
    On 27/06/2021 20:35, newshound wrote:
    On 27/06/2021 18:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Gentlemen,

    We've all had this problem at some time or other. Your car's battery
    doesn't stay charged for extended periods. Maybe it's 2 weeks, maybe 2
    or 3 days. Something is leaching current from your battery and if it's
    something more involved than a simple boot light not turning off, you
    could be in for a world of pain.
    In the old days before everything got crazy, we'd just pull fuses one
    by one and find the circuit repsonsible easily enough. But things have
    changed and your car now has a brain and likes to remain sentient at
    all times. This can be a major PITA as it means you may have to wait
    anything up to 2 hours between fuse-pulls for the systems to settle
    down again into a genuine quiescent state. And given the sheer number
    of fuses in a modern car, you may be looking at a *huge* amount of
    time to get through them all properly. However, there *is* an
    alternative which overcomes these issues. This helpful hillbilly
    explains how to go about it - and all you need is a cheapo DVM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcj1fQcWwU

    Useful.

    Oddly enough my van battery just flattened unexpectedly.

    Looking at the charts, I think my vehicles only have two sizes of fuse
    in the fuseboxes. The small ones look like "mini", but is the "big" one
    what the Americans call Standard or Maxi?

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  • From Cursitor Doom@21:1/5 to newshound@stevejqr.plus.com on Sun Jun 27 23:28:16 2021
    On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 20:40:55 +0100, newshound
    <newshound@stevejqr.plus.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2021 20:35, newshound wrote:
    On 27/06/2021 18:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Gentlemen,

    We've all had this problem at some time or other. Your car's battery
    doesn't stay charged for extended periods. Maybe it's 2 weeks, maybe 2
    or 3 days. Something is leaching current from your battery and if it's
    something more involved than a simple boot light not turning off, you
    could be in for a world of pain.
    In the old days before everything got crazy, we'd just pull fuses one
    by one and find the circuit repsonsible easily enough. But things have
    changed and your car now has a brain and likes to remain sentient at
    all times. This can be a major PITA as it means you may have to wait
    anything up to 2 hours between fuse-pulls for the systems to settle
    down again into a genuine quiescent state. And given the sheer number
    of fuses in a modern car, you may be looking at a *huge* amount of
    time to get through them all properly. However, there *is* an
    alternative which overcomes these issues. This helpful hillbilly
    explains how to go about it - and all you need is a cheapo DVM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcj1fQcWwU

    Useful.

    Oddly enough my van battery just flattened unexpectedly.

    Looking at the charts, I think my vehicles only have two sizes of fuse
    in the fuseboxes. The small ones look like "mini", but is the "big" one
    what the Americans call Standard or Maxi?

    Hard to say without an image, but most probably "standard" as they're
    by far the most common I've come across.

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  • From Peter Hill@21:1/5 to Cursitor Doom on Tue Jun 29 09:04:53 2021
    On 27/06/2021 18:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Gentlemen,

    We've all had this problem at some time or other. Your car's battery
    doesn't stay charged for extended periods. Maybe it's 2 weeks, maybe 2
    or 3 days. Something is leaching current from your battery and if it's something more involved than a simple boot light not turning off, you
    could be in for a world of pain.
    In the old days before everything got crazy, we'd just pull fuses one
    by one and find the circuit repsonsible easily enough. But things have changed and your car now has a brain and likes to remain sentient at
    all times. This can be a major PITA as it means you may have to wait
    anything up to 2 hours between fuse-pulls for the systems to settle
    down again into a genuine quiescent state. And given the sheer number
    of fuses in a modern car, you may be looking at a *huge* amount of
    time to get through them all properly. However, there *is* an
    alternative which overcomes these issues. This helpful hillbilly
    explains how to go about it - and all you need is a cheapo DVM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcj1fQcWwU


    Both of my cars have a battery suicide mode.

    One as the battery goes flat will discharge though the door central
    locking. It has no current when there is charge in the battery but once
    it drops to a low voltage it ensures complete discharge.

    The other triggers the alarm, an after market Cobra alarm. This again
    ensures the battery is pancake flat. If I'm away when it starts going
    off I have no way to detect that it's done this.

    I have small solar battery maintainers. These are not effective in
    winter with lack of use. Last winter during lockdown and only one
    shopping trip every 8 days (time to use 4 pints of milk) I had to put
    the cars on charge every week.

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  • From Davey@21:1/5 to Peter Hill on Tue Jun 29 09:49:05 2021
    On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:04:53 +0100
    Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2021 18:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Gentlemen,

    We've all had this problem at some time or other. Your car's battery doesn't stay charged for extended periods. Maybe it's 2 weeks,
    maybe 2 or 3 days. Something is leaching current from your battery
    and if it's something more involved than a simple boot light not
    turning off, you could be in for a world of pain.
    In the old days before everything got crazy, we'd just pull fuses
    one by one and find the circuit repsonsible easily enough. But
    things have changed and your car now has a brain and likes to
    remain sentient at all times. This can be a major PITA as it means
    you may have to wait anything up to 2 hours between fuse-pulls for
    the systems to settle down again into a genuine quiescent state.
    And given the sheer number of fuses in a modern car, you may be
    looking at a *huge* amount of time to get through them all
    properly. However, there *is* an alternative which overcomes these
    issues. This helpful hillbilly explains how to go about it - and
    all you need is a cheapo DVM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcj1fQcWwU


    Both of my cars have a battery suicide mode.

    One as the battery goes flat will discharge though the door central
    locking. It has no current when there is charge in the battery but
    once it drops to a low voltage it ensures complete discharge.

    The other triggers the alarm, an after market Cobra alarm. This again
    ensures the battery is pancake flat. If I'm away when it starts going
    off I have no way to detect that it's done this.

    I have small solar battery maintainers. These are not effective in
    winter with lack of use. Last winter during lockdown and only one
    shopping trip every 8 days (time to use 4 pints of milk) I had to put
    the cars on charge every week.

    It sounds as though you need one of the chargers that are usually sold
    by Aldi or Lidl.You can leave them connected for ever, they adapt to
    whatever the battery requires.
    --
    Davey.

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Peter Hill on Tue Jun 29 10:43:53 2021
    In article <sbek6u$1qb$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Both of my cars have a battery suicide mode.

    One as the battery goes flat will discharge though the door central
    locking. It has no current when there is charge in the battery but once
    it drops to a low voltage it ensures complete discharge.

    All the central locking systems I've come across with electronic timers
    (other than perhaps vacuum operated early ones) have some quiescent
    current. And if it has remote operation, the receiver too.

    The other triggers the alarm, an after market Cobra alarm. This again
    ensures the battery is pancake flat. If I'm away when it starts going
    off I have no way to detect that it's done this.

    I have small solar battery maintainers. These are not effective in
    winter with lack of use. Last winter during lockdown and only one
    shopping trip every 8 days (time to use 4 pints of milk) I had to put
    the cars on charge every week.

    Why not simply disconnect the battery when the car is unused for a while?

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  • From Peter Hill@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 29 11:17:05 2021
    On 29/06/2021 10:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
    In article <sbek6u$1qb$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com> wrote:
    Both of my cars have a battery suicide mode.

    One as the battery goes flat will discharge though the door central
    locking. It has no current when there is charge in the battery but once
    it drops to a low voltage it ensures complete discharge.

    All the central locking systems I've come across with electronic timers (other than perhaps vacuum operated early ones) have some quiescent
    current. And if it has remote operation, the receiver too.

    The other triggers the alarm, an after market Cobra alarm. This again
    ensures the battery is pancake flat. If I'm away when it starts going
    off I have no way to detect that it's done this.

    I have small solar battery maintainers. These are not effective in
    winter with lack of use. Last winter during lockdown and only one
    shopping trip every 8 days (time to use 4 pints of milk) I had to put
    the cars on charge every week.

    Why not simply disconnect the battery when the car is unused for a while?


    Can you believe the key for the car with cobra alarm only works the steering/ign and I can't lock it manually? I think there's been more
    than one attempted theft that's damaged the locks. (and about 5 "I wanna
    buy your car" notes, but they never make a cash offer)

    When it's flat I have to jack the car and put a jump lead to the starter solenoid to get power to the car and use the fob.

    I've got a full lock set off a car I scraped 11 years ago and I've had
    this car 10 years 11 months. Must get a round tuit. But I know that lock
    set is insecure as one Xmas the car was broken into and a Goodmans CD
    player that used a cassette adaptor stolen. They left the key they used
    behind. All the nieces and nephews Xmas presents were in the car at 1am
    and I found the CD player missing at 6am.

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  • From Peter Hill@21:1/5 to Davey on Tue Jun 29 11:31:27 2021
    On 29/06/2021 09:49, Davey wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 09:04:53 +0100
    Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com> wrote:

    On 27/06/2021 18:57, Cursitor Doom wrote:
    Gentlemen,

    We've all had this problem at some time or other. Your car's battery
    doesn't stay charged for extended periods. Maybe it's 2 weeks,
    maybe 2 or 3 days. Something is leaching current from your battery
    and if it's something more involved than a simple boot light not
    turning off, you could be in for a world of pain.
    In the old days before everything got crazy, we'd just pull fuses
    one by one and find the circuit repsonsible easily enough. But
    things have changed and your car now has a brain and likes to
    remain sentient at all times. This can be a major PITA as it means
    you may have to wait anything up to 2 hours between fuse-pulls for
    the systems to settle down again into a genuine quiescent state.
    And given the sheer number of fuses in a modern car, you may be
    looking at a *huge* amount of time to get through them all
    properly. However, there *is* an alternative which overcomes these
    issues. This helpful hillbilly explains how to go about it - and
    all you need is a cheapo DVM.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRcj1fQcWwU


    Both of my cars have a battery suicide mode.

    One as the battery goes flat will discharge though the door central
    locking. It has no current when there is charge in the battery but
    once it drops to a low voltage it ensures complete discharge.

    The other triggers the alarm, an after market Cobra alarm. This again
    ensures the battery is pancake flat. If I'm away when it starts going
    off I have no way to detect that it's done this.

    I have small solar battery maintainers. These are not effective in
    winter with lack of use. Last winter during lockdown and only one
    shopping trip every 8 days (time to use 4 pints of milk) I had to put
    the cars on charge every week.

    It sounds as though you need one of the chargers that are usually sold
    by Aldi or Lidl.You can leave them connected for ever, they adapt to
    whatever the battery requires.


    the XP power battery charger I got from Aldi resets and stops charging
    if power is lost.

    One of the cars has to be parked about 200m away as there is only room
    for one car in front of the house.

    When I go on away I have to park the car that's left 200m away as that's
    above the high water mark. It's even flooded in July. Still photos
    first, video starts at 2:15. You can see my car at about 3:58 outside
    the white painted pub.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kau3XM3mmw4

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  • From Dave Plowman (News)@21:1/5 to Peter Hill on Tue Jun 29 14:06:18 2021
    In article <sbespu$1u7o$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
    Peter Hill <skyshac@yahoo.com> wrote:
    the XP power battery charger I got from Aldi resets and stops charging
    if power is lost.

    It's not just the Lidl/Aldi ones that do this. Perhaps a safety feature? I
    have a large bench top charger that does the same.

    --
    *Always remember you're unique, just like everyone else.

    Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
    To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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