• Message from Ofcom - Important Message About Your Licence

    From Ottavio Caruso@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 4 09:29:24 2021
    Hi,

    I got this message yesterday in my inbox. I am not a RSGB member, so I
    wonder what the RSGB and/or the UK amateur radio community, if such a
    thing exists, are going to do about it:


    -------- Forwarded Message --------
    Dear Licence Holder,

    We are writing to make you aware of some important changes that we are proposing to make to your Wireless Telegraphy Act licence(s) issued by
    Ofcom.

    In February and October last year, we issued two public consultations on
    our proposal to formally require licensees to comply with the
    internationally agreed levels in the International Commission on
    Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) Guidelines for the protection
    of the general public from electromagnetic fields (EMF). We refer to
    these levels as the ICNIRP general public limits. In October, we also
    issued a Statement setting out our decision to formally require
    licensees to comply with the ICNIRP general public limits and we
    recently published an update on how we propose to implement that decision.

    We are now writing to you to inform you of our proposal to vary the
    terms and conditions of your licence(s) to require you to comply with
    the ICNIRP general public limits. In accordance with the Wireless
    Telegraphy Act and your licence(s), we are giving you notice of our
    proposal by publishing a General Notice on our website.

    We’ve put all the relevant information about our proposal including the General Notice on a dedicated EMF webpage ofcom.org.uk/emf. Here you
    will find details of the licence variation process alongside the
    background to the changes and lots of FAQs to help you understand what
    our proposal means for you.

    If, after reading the above information, you wish to make a
    representation to Ofcom in relation to our proposal to vary your
    licence(s), you have up until the 18 April 2021 to do so. However, if
    you do not wish to make a representation you do not need to take any
    action at this time. More information on the representation process can
    be found by visiting the Ofcom EMF webpage.

    We will consider all representations before coming to a final decision
    on the variation of your licence(s). We will publish our final decision
    on the EMF page of our website by 18 May 2021. We will explain whether
    we have decided to vary your licence(s) to include the EMF condition. If
    your licence(s) has been varied we will send you an update of it or
    information on where a new version can be obtained from.

    In future we intend to make greater use of General Notices published on
    our website and may not individually contact you to inform you that we
    have published one. We would therefore urge all licensees to regularly
    check the Ofcom website or subscribe to email spectrum updates by going
    to the following page on our website ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/email-updates.

    If you have any questions about this change and what it means for you,
    further information can be found on the dedicated EMF webpage using the
    address provided above.

    Yours faithfully,

    Ofcom

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  • From Jeff@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Thu Mar 4 11:52:52 2021
    On 04/03/2021 09:29, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Hi,

    I got this message yesterday in my inbox. I am not a RSGB member, so I
    wonder what the RSGB and/or the UK amateur radio community, if such a
    thing exists, are going to do about it:


    -------- Forwarded Message --------
    Dear Licence Holder,

    We are writing to make you aware of some important changes that we are proposing to make to your Wireless Telegraphy Act licence(s) issued by
    Ofcom.

    In February and October last year, we issued two public consultations on
    our proposal to formally require licensees to comply with the
    internationally agreed levels in the International Commission on
    Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) Guidelines for the protection
    of the general public from electromagnetic fields (EMF). We refer to
    these levels as the ICNIRP general public limits. In October, we also
    issued a Statement setting out our decision to formally require
    licensees to comply with the ICNIRP general public limits and we
    recently published an update on how we propose to implement that decision.

    We are now writing to you to inform you of our proposal to vary the
    terms and conditions of your licence(s) to require you to comply with
    the ICNIRP general public limits. In accordance with the Wireless
    Telegraphy Act and your licence(s), we are giving you notice of our
    proposal by publishing a General Notice on our website.

    We’ve put all the relevant information about our proposal including the General Notice on a dedicated EMF webpage ofcom.org.uk/emf. Here you
    will find details of the licence variation process alongside the
    background to the changes and lots of FAQs to help you understand what
    our proposal means for you.

    If, after reading the above information, you wish to make a
    representation to Ofcom in relation to our proposal to vary your
    licence(s), you have up until the 18 April 2021 to do so. However, if
    you do not wish to make a representation you do not need to take any
    action at this time. More information on the representation process can
    be found by visiting the Ofcom EMF webpage.

    We will consider all representations before coming to a final decision
    on the variation of your licence(s). We will publish our final decision
    on the EMF page of our website by 18 May 2021. We will explain whether
    we have decided to vary your licence(s) to include the EMF condition. If
    your licence(s) has been varied we will send you an update of it or information on where a new version can be obtained from.

    In future we intend to make greater use of General Notices published on
    our website and may not individually contact you to inform you that we
    have published one. We would therefore urge all licensees to regularly
    check the Ofcom website or subscribe to email spectrum updates by going
    to the following page on our website ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/email-updates.

    If you have any questions about this change and what it means for you, further information can be found on the dedicated EMF webpage using the address provided above.

    Yours faithfully,

    Ofcom


    This has been in the offing for a long time now. Everyone had their
    opportunity to comment during the Ofcom consultation on the matter,
    which many people including the RSGB did.

    Now that consultation is over and it is going to happen.

    Jeff

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  • From gareth evans@21:1/5 to Ottavio Caruso on Thu Mar 4 12:12:00 2021
    On 04/03/2021 09:29, Ottavio Caruso wrote:
    Hi,

    I got this message yesterday in my inbox. I am not a RSGB member, so I
    wonder what the RSGB and/or the UK amateur radio community, if such a
    thing exists, are going to do about it:

    What happens now is that you personally dust off your old paper
    logbook and record therein the results of your analysis of the
    heating effect that your transmissions have on your neighbours' bodies!

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com on Thu Mar 4 12:22:13 2021
    In message <s1q99m$qkb$1@dont-email.me>, Ottavio Caruso <ottavio2006-usenet2012@yahoo.com> writes
    Hi,

    I got this message yesterday in my inbox. I am not a RSGB member, so I
    wonder what the RSGB and/or the UK amateur radio community, if such a
    thing exists, are going to do about it:


    -------- Forwarded Message --------
    Dear Licence Holder,

    We are writing to make you aware of some important changes that we are >proposing to make to your Wireless Telegraphy Act licence(s) issued by
    Ofcom.

    In February and October last year, we issued two public consultations
    on our proposal to formally require licensees to comply with the >internationally agreed levels in the International Commission on
    Non-Ionizing Radiation Protection (ICNIRP) Guidelines for the
    protection of the general public from electromagnetic fields (EMF). We
    refer to these levels as the ICNIRP general public limits. In October,
    we also issued a Statement setting out our decision to formally require >licensees to comply with the ICNIRP general public limits and we
    recently published an update on how we propose to implement that decision.

    We are now writing to you to inform you of our proposal to vary the
    terms and conditions of your licence(s) to require you to comply with
    the ICNIRP general public limits. In accordance with the Wireless
    Telegraphy Act and your licence(s), we are giving you notice of our
    proposal by publishing a General Notice on our website.

    We’ve put all the relevant information about our proposal including
    the General Notice on a dedicated EMF webpage ofcom.org.uk/emf. Here
    you will find details of the licence variation process alongside the >background to the changes and lots of FAQs to help you understand what
    our proposal means for you.

    If, after reading the above information, you wish to make a
    representation to Ofcom in relation to our proposal to vary your
    licence(s), you have up until the 18 April 2021 to do so. However, if
    you do not wish to make a representation you do not need to take any
    action at this time. More information on the representation process can
    be found by visiting the Ofcom EMF webpage.

    We will consider all representations before coming to a final decision
    on the variation of your licence(s). We will publish our final decision
    on the EMF page of our website by 18 May 2021. We will explain whether
    we have decided to vary your licence(s) to include the EMF condition.
    If your licence(s) has been varied we will send you an update of it or >information on where a new version can be obtained from.

    In future we intend to make greater use of General Notices published on
    our website and may not individually contact you to inform you that we
    have published one. We would therefore urge all licensees to regularly
    check the Ofcom website or subscribe to email spectrum updates by going
    to the following page on our website >ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/latest/email-updates.

    If you have any questions about this change and what it means for you, >further information can be found on the dedicated EMF webpage using the >address provided above.

    Yours faithfully,

    Ofcom

    This applies to ALL holders of a radio transmitting licence, or those responsible for the operation of radio transmitting stations - and not
    just radio amateurs (and certainly not only to RSGB members).

    Even though there don't seem to have been instances of radio amateurs
    actually causing any problems, we have been caught up in the enforcement
    of worldwide safety regulations for non-ionising radiation. In realty,
    it's probably only something that users of the higher VHF frequencies
    and above should need to take precautions about - but it looks like
    we'll all have to do the required calculations and complete the red tape
    in order to operate legally.
    --
    Ian

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Ian Jackson on Thu Mar 4 15:26:47 2021
    On 04/03/2021 12:22, Ian Jackson wrote:

    This applies to ALL holders of a radio transmitting licence, or those responsible for the operation of radio transmitting stations - and not
    just radio amateurs (and certainly not only to RSGB members).

    In fact one of the problems seems to be that it has all been designed in
    terms of commercial users of radio, typically at VHF and above, and
    little thought has gone into the very different environment surrounding
    amateur use. In particular, there is a spreadsheet that only really
    works in the far field, whereas most neighbours are in the near field at HF.

    I would note that the largest number of responses to the consultation, especially in terms of the number of words written, seem to have come
    from the anti-non-ionising radiation lobby, arguing that the rules are
    too lax and that ICNIRP is biassed towards lax limits. As such, one
    probably should be concerned that too much notice may be taken of
    responses, rather than too little.

    In realty, it's probably only something that users of the higher VHF frequencies and above should need to take precautions about - but it looks like we'll all have to do the required calculations and complete the red tape in order to operate legally.

    I'm not convinced that this is the case. Near field levels can be quite
    high and neighbours can get quite close to HF antenna sections.

    The Americans have had this sort of rule for some time, but I think they
    have higher limits before one has to do formal calculations. (The RSGB
    is reading this as their being an exemption below 10W EIRP, but the way
    I read it, the exemption is based on the licence, and all amateur
    licences cover the use of more than 10 W EIRP.)

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Jeff on Thu Mar 4 15:11:23 2021
    On 04/03/2021 11:52, Jeff wrote:

    Now that consultation is over and it is going to happen.

    I think the consultation deadline has been extended to some time in May, because of Covid, but you can assume that any changes will only be tweaks.

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  • From nev young@21:1/5 to David Woolley on Thu Mar 4 19:14:29 2021
    On 04/03/2021 15:26, David Woolley wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 12:22, Ian Jackson wrote:

    In realty, it's probably only something that users of the higher VHF
    frequencies and above should need to take precautions about - but it
    looks like we'll all have to do the required calculations and complete
    the red tape in order to operate legally.

    I'm not convinced that this is the case.  Near field levels can be quite high and neighbours can get quite close to HF antenna sections.

    I wonder if this can be used to help get planning permission for higher antennas or just get planning in general?

    --
    Nev M0NFY
    It causes me a great deal of regret and remorse
    that so many people are unable to understand what I write.

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  • From Jeff@21:1/5 to David Woolley on Fri Mar 5 10:15:14 2021
    On 04/03/2021 15:11, David Woolley wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 11:52, Jeff wrote:

    Now that consultation is over and it is going to happen.

    I think the consultation deadline has been extended to some time in May, because of Covid, but you can assume that any changes will only be tweaks.

    The consultation finished some time ago, Ofcom published their responses
    on 1st March, along with their intent to implement licence changes no
    later than 18 May 2021.


    Jeff

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  • From Ian Jackson@21:1/5 to newsforpasiphae1953@yahoo.co.uk on Fri Mar 5 08:11:08 2021
    In message <s1rbil$fbr$1@dont-email.me>, nev young <newsforpasiphae1953@yahoo.co.uk> writes
    On 04/03/2021 15:26, David Woolley wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 12:22, Ian Jackson wrote:

    In realty, it's probably only something that users of the higher VHF >>>frequencies and above should need to take precautions about - but it >>>looks like we'll all have to do the required calculations and
    complete the red tape in order to operate legally.
    I'm not convinced that this is the case.  Near field levels can be
    quite high and neighbours can get quite close to HF antenna sections.

    I wonder if this can be used to help get planning permission for higher >antennas or just get planning in general?

    As there have already been several cases where planning permission has
    been unlawfully refused (or at least objected to) on the grounds that
    your RF radiation might pose an H&S danger, it's more likely that local councils will start demanding official tests and certification that your
    RF field is within safe limits.
    --
    Ian

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  • From Andrew Marshall@21:1/5 to nev young on Fri Mar 5 09:00:24 2021
    On 04/03/2021 19:14, nev young wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 15:26, David Woolley wrote:
    On 04/03/2021 12:22, Ian Jackson wrote:
    In realty, it's probably only something that users of the higher VHF
    frequencies and above should need to take precautions about - but it
    looks like we'll all have to do the required calculations and
    complete the red tape in order to operate legally.

    I'm not convinced that this is the case.  Near field levels can be
    quite high and neighbours can get quite close to HF antenna sections.

    I wonder if this can be used to help get planning permission for higher antennas or just get planning in general?

    I fear not; the reverse wouldn't surprise me.

    Here, I doubt that I shall be able to continue using my 420ft.
    horizontal loop, which runs close to the edge of the garden at around
    12ft. AGL.; the near field limits will firmly put paid to that.

    I should be just about OK on 10m and 12m using the vertical dipole on
    the South Mast at about 25ft. AGL.

    VHF and UHF look OK to me provided I give up using the 6m 4-element on
    the North Mast at 20ft. AGL - it's pretty useless anyway these days,
    because of the S7 to S9+ interference from domestic electronics in
    neighbouring houses.

    Mobile will be difficult, though; I'll probably set the maximum power
    down to 5w on all bands on the FT-8900, and not transmit when there are
    people less than the separation distance away, whatever that turns out
    to be. On the move, all should be OK due to the minimal time for which
    any one person is exposed.

    --
    73,
    Andrew, G8BUR, M0MAA.

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  • From Jeff@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 5 17:20:20 2021
    Here, I doubt that I shall be able to continue using my 420ft.
    horizontal loop, which runs close to the edge of the garden at around
    12ft. AGL.; the near field limits will firmly put paid to that.

    I should be just about OK on 10m and 12m using the vertical dipole on
    the South Mast at about 25ft. AGL.

    VHF and UHF look OK to me provided I give up using the 6m 4-element on
    the North Mast at 20ft. AGL - it's pretty useless anyway these days,
    because of the S7 to S9+ interference from domestic electronics in neighbouring houses.

    Mobile will be difficult, though; I'll probably set the maximum power
    down to 5w on all bands on the FT-8900, and not transmit when there are people less than the separation distance away, whatever that turns out
    to be. On the move, all should be OK due to the minimal time for which
    any one person is exposed.


    Andrew

    I suspect that you are being very pessimistic with your calculations!

    Don't forget that the Ofcom calculator does not take polar diagram into account, or tx/rx ratios, any allowance for modes that are not
    continuous carrier.

    The only one that might pose a problem is the loop, but if you do a near
    field calc you may well find that 12' is adequate even at 400W level.

    Actual mobile is very unlikely to be a problem as the time that you will
    be close to an individual is going to be so short, so when averaged over
    6 or 30 minutes, depending on which version of the ICNIRP regs that you
    use, the allowed field strength will be astronomical.

    V/UHF Static mobile is more of a problem, but my analyses show that with
    a roof top antenna and powers up to 50W the limits are unlikely to be
    breached until someone is virtually touching the antenna. This is
    because the fields are distorted by the car body and as you come close
    to the vehicle the exposure is NOT whole body with a large variation
    head to foot. Consequently you have to consider the levels for various
    parts of the exposed body. The net result of that is you can get very
    close even with out allowing of tx/rx ratios and exposure time. The real
    danger is someone actually touching the antenna.

    HF static mobile is more difficult problem especially if you use bumper
    mounted aerials.

    73
    Jeff G8HUL

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  • From David Woolley@21:1/5 to Jeff on Fri Mar 5 21:04:40 2021
    On 05/03/2021 17:20, Jeff wrote:
    Don't forget that the Ofcom calculator does not take polar diagram into account

    As the RSGB response points out, polar diagrams are far field effects
    but most HF amateurs have the public well inside the near field, where
    there may be hotspots, completely unrelated to the far field polar
    diagram, and intensities increase much faster with reducing distance.

    The Ofcom spreadsheet uses inverse square law, so is only fully valid at distances significantly greater than the larger of wavelength or
    effective aperture.

    Near field covers two concepts. One is the close in, induction field,
    where the fields are more like those for capacitors and inductors, and
    where I suspect it could underestimate. The other applies to beams, and
    is the part from where the beam starts to be treated as a cone, rather
    than a cylinder, back to the induction field. In the latter, it will overestimate.

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  • From Jeff@21:1/5 to David Woolley on Sat Mar 6 10:13:17 2021
    On 05/03/2021 21:04, David Woolley wrote:
    On 05/03/2021 17:20, Jeff wrote:
    Don't forget that the Ofcom calculator does not take polar diagram
    into account

    As the RSGB response points out, polar diagrams are far field effects
    but most HF amateurs have the public well inside the near field, where
    there may be hotspots, completely unrelated to the far field polar
    diagram, and intensities increase much faster with reducing distance.

    The Ofcom spreadsheet uses inverse square law, so is only fully valid at distances significantly greater than the larger of wavelength or
    effective aperture.

    Near field covers two concepts.  One is the close in, induction field,
    where the fields are more like those for capacitors and inductors, and
    where I suspect it could underestimate.  The other applies to beams, and
    is the part from where the beam starts to be treated as a cone, rather
    than a cylinder, back to the induction field.  In the latter, it will overestimate.

    Which is why I suggested doing a near field calculation.

    Jeff

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